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Title: The twilight of the elites...in the European Union
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URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10 ... wilight-elites-european-union/
Published: Oct 17, 2017
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2017-10-17 10:35:59 by Tooconservative
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Signs of that happening come to us with additional news in a similar vein this month. For one example, can you name the youngest national leader in the world right now? If you said Emanuel Macron you’re probably in the majority, but you’re also wrong. Macron is already almost an old man compared to the guy who is set to take power in Austria. That would be 31-year-old Sebastian Kurz, leader of the reinvigorated People’s Party (OeVP), who is about to topple the Socialist Democrat establishment in his nation. This has resulted in what the Washington Times’ Wesley Pruden describes as, “An Austrian thumb in the eye of the elites.” But the new Austrian chancellor, youthful as he is, represents just the kind of new blood that Kennedy brought to the fore in the new world. He has achieved something close to rock-star status. He took over a fading political party whose party colors were black and black, replaced them with turquoise, rebranded the party as “a movement,” promised to get tough on runaway immigration, go easy on new taxes but to stay in Europe and “put Austria first.” Did Kurz come up with “put Austria first” as a copy of Trump’s America First or did they arrive at those catchphrases independently? At this point, it doesn’t really matter. But there’s more of a similarity here than simple sloganeering. Check out the details of the Kurz platform which the Daily Mail described with palpable alarm. Some of this may ring a bell to American observers of politics. (Emphasis added) Kurz, dubbed the Conservative Macron due to his age and his party reform, said: ‘I would of course like to form a stable government. If that cannot be done then there are other options,’ adding that he planned to talk to all parties in parliament but would first wait for a count of postal ballots that begins on Monday. Kurz may form a coalition with either the now weakened Social Democrats or with the more right-wing Freedom Party. But he’s also indicating a willingness to simply go it alone if he can’t structure a deal in keeping with his campaign pledges. But Kurz isn’t the only one. The Czech Republic, also part of that same eastern block, is closing in on their own elections and if the current polling is remotely accurate the race won’t be all that close. Their next leader is most likely to be a far less youthful, but equally revolutionary gentleman who is being referred to as “the Czech Trump” or “the new Berlusconi,” depending who you ask. 63 year old Andrej Babis is the leader of the ANO party and is on track to take control. He’s similarly alarmed the defenders of the status quo with comments about how he is, “done with multiculturalism.” (The Telegraph) To be clear, I don’t believe any of this signals the absolute end of the European Union, nor will the socialist tendencies of their more western member countries be completely subsumed any time soon. Neither Kurz nor Babis is signaling an immediate move toward leaving the EU and both of their nations still benefit greatly from trade through that organization. But at the same time, they have no interest in having Brussels micromanage the affairs of their respective nations and they want their borders to be secured. And seeing how well Hungary has done in thumbing its nose at the EU, both of these men have little reason to fear reprisal. “Make Europe Great Again?” When I recently wrote about the possibility of a coming east-west schism in the European Union (EU), I focused primarily on Hungary and Poland. They’re part of that eastern block of countries which joined the EU a bit later and introduced a definite culture clash with their significantly more socialist, globalist neighbors in France and Brussels. Recent events to the east seem to have signaled a swift erosion of the older, established “elites” who have been running the show. But there are still more dominos left to fall. Herr Kurz is called “the Austrian Trump,” and not, to celebrate his youth, “the Austrian JFK,” which illustrates just how far time has marched on. Two generations have been birthed in Europe that can barely recognize the late president by his mere initials. The young leader, dubbed Wunderwuzzi in his home country, which translates to Wonderkid, has pledged to cut benefits for all foreigners in Austria and has vowed to stop the European Union meddling in the country’s politics. “We have other enemies than Russia. We have to fight the human traffickers in the Mediterranean. Twenty thousand have died in that sea. We have terrorism blighting Europe. What are we waiting for?” Mr. Babiš insisted that there are no genuine refugees arriving in Europe.
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#1. To: All, IbJensen (#0)
The Czech elections are the likely tipping point between Old Europe and New Europe. The Czechs, Poles, Austrians and Hungarians could constitute a formidable counterweight against Germany's Merkel and her French boy-toy, Macron.
Who would have ever thought back in the 80s that Hungary, Poland and the Czech republic would be more western then west Europe.
It can't be too surprising that they don't like to be ordered around by Brussels any more than they liked being ordered around by Moscow during the Soviet era. Despite a rising resistance, I don't see Brussels stopping. They will keep pushing and may resort to more coercive measures. This is where Brexit has really hurt them. And the situation in Catalonia only makes things worse.
Despite a rising resistance, I don't see Brussels stopping. They will keep pushing and may resort to more coercive measures. This is where Brexit has really hurt them. And the situation in Catalonia only makes things worse. You have brought up what I have found to be a very, very interesting subject -- Catalonia and the Basque people/race. Linguists tell us that virtually all of the languages spoken in Europe and Asia and north Africa are derived from a common language that originated in Mesopotamia, that is, the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. The only exceptions are the languages spoken by the Basques (in Catalonia), and the Turks/Turkish language, and the Uralic languages. To make a long story very short, God only wants the descendants of Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply until they have dominion over all the Earth. IMHO, the Basque people should be very thankful that they even exist 6000 years later, and submit to being ruled by the descendants of Adam and Eve and be exceedingly glad about it. Barry Midyet
To make a long story very short, God only wants the descendants of Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply until they have dominion over all the Earth. IMHO, the Basque people should be very thankful that they even exist 6000 years later, and submit to being ruled by the descendants of Adam and Eve and be exceedingly glad about it. Barry Midyet You have interesting views. Now let's perfect them a bit. (1) Catalonia is not the Basque country. Catalonia is the territory of the Catalans, centered on Barcelona on the eastern, Mediterranean coast of Spain. (2) The Basque country - Euskal Herria (in Euskal, which is the Basque word for "Basque") - Vasconia in Spanish - is on the western, Atlanic coast, of Spain and France, centered on the Pyrenees, the Atlantic, coastal borderlands between the two countries. Catalonia and the Basque country (which includes both Vasconia and Navarre, on the Spanish side, and Lapurdi, Zuberoa and French Navarre on the Frenchside) do not touch geographically. The Spanish province of Aragon sits between them. My point: Catalonia is not peopled by Basques, and the Catalans do not speak Basque. They speak Catalan, a Latin language, which is essentially the same as the traditional language of Southern France - the "Languedoc" dialect. (3) We Basques are descendants of the post-Flood Nephilim. The biological difference between us and the rest of the Europeans, reposing in our blood type, makes us only partially interfertile with other people. Essentially, a Basque woman with Rh negative blood has typically only been able to have one child with a male who has Rh positive blood, because of the "blue baby" syndrome. After she has had her first child, the leakage of the positive blood allele across the placental connection causes an allergic reaction in the woman, which in turn causes her body to reject all later Rh positive babies. (4) What this means is that when other folks have come through the Basque country, as conquerors or colonizers, that Basque women have been able to produce at most one child with them, but they can produce unlimited children with other Basques. In time, this has acted to genetically reduce the presence of the foreigner with each successive generation, and to preserve the Basque race. Basques have always been seafarers, the first open-ocean Atlantic ones. This has been for the purpose of fishing, not conquest. On land, we've been sheepherders since time immemorial. Columbus was the hired head of the expedition, but he got to America and back on ships crewed by Basques - nobody else were deep-sea sailors. Ditto for Magellan. He died. It was his Basque crew who actually made it around the world. (5) As far as us deserving to be "very thankful that we even exist..." and that we ought to "submit", you sound like a Nazi. Other people did not give us life. The same God that gave you your life, and that will take it away, gave us ours. We are men like anybody else, descendants of Adam and Eve. We're partly descended from the giants also, but what is that to you? We don't have the Rhesus monkey factor in our blood because we're descended from angels. YOU have it because YOU are descended from monkeys. So we're superior to you, obviously. The royal families of France and Spain - the House of Bourbon - comes out of Navarre and are Basque in origin. So, really, we are the greatest explorers and rulers - even our blood rejects your monkey blood. See how idiotic that sounds? (6) We fish. We herd sheep. We leave people alone. We came over to Christ in Roman times and have stayed with him. We haven't invaded our neighbors. We've had various folks pass through, and some stay...Celts, Romans, Visigoths, Arabs (the Song of Roland takes place in the Basque country), French and Spanish. Once we're all Christian and people are not abusive, what difference does it make? We're a smallish tribe that never had any ambition to take over the world, and it's better for us to be connected with the wider world. Catching fish and herding sheep is a living, but there's more to life than that, and to get out of your little province and see the world you need to be able to get along with other people. Some people get the idea of making other people "submit" to their imagined cultural superiority into their heads. The Romans did. They're gone. The Muslims did. They're gone. Franco did. He's dead and has shuffled off to hell. We're still there. And here. And all over the world. (7) Another correction: All of humanity is descended from Adam and Eve, and from Cain and Zillah, and Noah and Na'amah and either Ham, Shem or Japheth. Some of us are also descended from fallen angels. I think you're probably not descended from monkeys, you just act like you are with all of this "SUBMIT" business. Chimps and imperalists beat their chests. Always have. They die and rot in the grave like fishermen and herders, just the same. But the fisherman and the herder has a better chance of spending the afterlife in Paradise than the imperialist. He gets to spend a longer spell in purgatorial Gehenna repenting his violence and arrogance. So no, we should not be "submitting" to you monkey-bloods, any more than you should be submitting to us angelics. Really, the only difference between us and you, when you get down to the brass tacks, is that we are much better looking and therefore get more girls.
BTW, you may have missed the latest reindeer news. TheLibertyConservative: Reindeer Farmer Turned Congressman Hopes To Regain Lost House Seat In 2018
Now THAT's good stuff! If I win the lottery, I'm going to do it: milk the white-tails! It's proven technology with the reindeer, so let's take it to the next step!
I am curious: have you ever even milked a cow? Or a goat? Both are a lot more domesticated than any deer or reindeer. It isn't as much fun as you might think. And forget about any vacations or leaving home unless you have a neighbor or employee stupid enough to keep up the milking twice a day. You have to milk on schedule twice a day to keep up milk production. And they don't make any milking machines that can fit a goat or reindeer AFAIK.
It isn't as much fun as you might think. Of course. And you're right, it's not particularly fun. It's not a horror either. A chore. I assume that I will organize the farms and make sure they operate efficiently and have proper facilities and veterinary care. I assume that once I have gone through the rather dreary business of establishing the best practices and the proper standards of kind treatment, by example, that I will be able to step away from the actual teat-squeezing and hire peasants to do that part.
Your prospects of finding enough reliable teat-squeezing peasants may not be as rosy as you think. Even so, I wish you luck with finding them. Finding milkmaids in the 21st century isn't so easy. It seems they do have milking machines for goats and sheep at Amazon. Not just one, a number of types. They offer different sizes of teat cups, goat hobbles (I only ever had hobbles for a cow), other equipment.
Finding milkmaids in the 21st century isn't so easy. I always figured that I would have an easier time persuading the Russians to let me turn Siberia into a vast set of linked farms than persuading any American state to let me turn the wild whitetails into a semi-domesticated herd. There are plenty of peasants in Russia willing to do things a lot more demeaning than that. In the US, I would prefer to use prisoners. Handling their own animals often makes really bad men better than they were.
Russia is willing, eager even, to bring in American agricultural producers with expertise. They have ranchers and cowboys over there from places like Wyoming and Montana (people who are used to cold weather and a hard life).
Back after their Revolution and before World War II, many skilled American engineers went over there to help them set up factories using modern techniques. Tsarist Russia was really pathetic at educating engineers to do that, due to the class and wealth strictures on education under the old monarchy. I had a great uncle who was an engineer in the auto industry in Michigan who went over there in the 1920s and helped them design and build modern factories for machine production. It's a good thing Americans went over and did that, because it was those same factories that churned out war material that ate up the German armies two decades later. Without those production facilities, the USSR would never have been able to survive the German onslaught, and we would have faced an ugly one-front war against the Third Reich on the beaches of France. After the Cold War ended, men like Tillerson went over there with their companies and helped the Russians re-establish their oil industry on modern lines. Russia really is a land of opportunity for American engineers with vision. It's a vast land with people who are well- educated in the sciences, but who do not have the benefit of modern systems theory or capital. Russians are hardy, and they will work as regular employees in places so harsh that American workers would demand - and get - high pay as an incentive to go. Russia's a hard place, to be sure, and if you try to set up any sort of financial system, you are going to get robbed. (That is also true in China, for different reasons: the Chinese government will steal your intellectual property. The Russian government won't do that, but the Russian mob will literally steal any money you bring in.) In Russia, you can have security if you build things in agriculture, in raw materials exploitation, in power generation. And you building things means that you provide the money and some expertise - the Russians themselves will build it and operate it, but if you provide the funds and some plans, the Russians will let you get a reasonable profit stream from it and won't just seize it. There is a rule of law, of sorts, in Russian when you stay down in beetroots and machine parts. Try to make money on money flows, which is to say usury, and you're going to get devoured. In China, you can make a profit for a few years, while you build your big factories. But then they will steal you blind and take all of your intellectual property. And anyway, China is not full of deer. Siberia is. One of the Soviet Winter War plans was to move large populations of defeated Finnish Laplanders to Siberia to make it productive in cold weather agriculture and industry. Of course those plans never came to be because the Finns fought the Soviets off pretty effectively until the very end - and then Stalin had far bigger fish to fry than little Finland. "So many Russians, and our country so small, where will we find room to bury them all?" - Finnish expression from 1940.
Siberia aside, I still think it would be difficult to line up and milk reindeer with milking machines. And they still only would produce something like two quarts of milk per day. A dairy cow can produce gallons. You would really have to have a market demand to justify creating the herd and barns and machinery and such. And then get the reindeer to be a little cooperative.
You would really have to have a market demand to justify creating the herd and barns and machinery and such. And then get the reindeer to be a little cooperative. Now...THIS is classic LP/LF fare. Hilarious. I for one enjoy it. MLK had his dream; Vic has his. The couple quarts + untrainable reindeer does present logistics probs if the intent is commercial liability. Reindeer milk. Reindeer Mozzarella. Reindeer yogurt. Hmmm...
Just for fun, do it all in remote Siberia. Vic had better win the lottery. You might be surprised. Sell it as all-organic, super-healthy, tell the rubes that the Eskimos are eating and drinking reindeer milk and living to be 185 years old, the usual sales blarney. It's not impossible, given adequate marketing and enough stupid rich hippie types. Vic probably knows tons of 'em right in his own neighborhood.
Rudolph's own. Santa's own. Bullwinkle's own butter. And once you've milked the white-tails, Bambi Brand And Hart Healthy Elk milk.
A man with ambitions. Heh-heh. I think you might be more commercially viable with elk than with whitetail or reindeer. A bigger animal, it can produce more milk per animal, reducing labor costs, facility overhead, etc.
Of course. But you see, that is the CHALLENGE. My people have been milking reindeer for 40,000 years. And moose. But nobody's done the whitetails yet. The poor whitetails just get shot and hit by cars. But there they are, grazing milk producers that don't need pasture at all - they take care of themselves and feed themselves on your flowers. I would be happy to take on the body management duty too. Lots of deer get hit. That meat would make great dog food and cat food, and the pelts are the softest leather. Let me have the bodies. Let me tag the deer and raise up the females to be tame enough to approach later - we do not tame the males - they don't produce milk, and they are dangerous in rut. Leave the males wild, and leave the females part-wild. Give them safe pasture for birthing and baby raising - and milk them there. This lets you hand tame the new crop of babies. Let them run wild and free the rest of the year. A side effect will be to clean up the diseases that run in the wild and have a healthier herd. But this will remain just a dream unless I win the lottery.
You don't know any farmers, do you? The whitetail is an evil parasite. It lives off the finest feed you can produce. Your best alfalfas and clovers and wild hay and cane that you stockpile for the winter are a favorite target for these foul creatures. Naturally, much of the Midwest was untreed before man settled so these were not areas where deer were native. So farmers do resent that the states will board these parasites on their property, eating and destroying their best feed.
Naturally, the parts of the Midwest where my folks headed were the tree- covered, lake-splotched, snowy far north of it. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan is like Finland, but without the glitter. Up there, crop farming is hard, and people really didn't. They fished and hunted, and mined copper and cut trees, and trapped fur, and moved the stuff around, for employment. Some tried to cut down the forest and plant crops, and you can make rutabagas and cabbages grow there...which the hares will promptly devour...and you can get that sort of stuff down the lake by trading the local products. Today, everything comes in by truck, and nobody mines copper or traps fur anymore for a living. But the deer are there, waiting for somebody to come and make a new industry. Nobody else is going to do it, because nobody believes in it. I win the lottery, and that's what I do - starting in Michigan. I love animals, get along with them, don't like to kill them. So I'm going "no kill" with two native species: the white-tails. I'm happy to add the moose and the elk to that, but that's for show and to get interest. The whitetails are the heart of the operation. No-kill whitetail dairy and leather. That's one line. I don't pretend that it would be easy, but I do believe that it is doable, and that after a decade or two of unprofitability, a steady if low margin profit stream can be generated by the milk and the leather - maybe the meat as dog food and cat food (you don't want to be eating meat that dies of natural causes). The other line would be more profitable: there are wild sturgeon in the great lakes, and they spawn in certain rivers. Sturgeon produce caviar. The Michigan sturgeon are not used for that, and there is only a limiting fishing season, but the point is that they ARE there, naturally - this is sturgeon habitat. That means that certain of the breeding pools can be established as a sturgeon hatchery. Now, here's the thing: a German fellow has developed a means to hand milk the eggs out of sturgeon females, such that the females are not killed and continue to grow. This or similar techniques are already used at a Latvian sturgeon farm and a South Korean one, which produce no-kill caviar thereby. The fish live and get bigger and bigger by the season (no longer having human predators), and produce more and more eggs. Deer milk, soft deer leather, and no-kill sturgeon caviar - straight from Northern Michigan. That's a good start. The third thing I have in mind is zebra mussel harvesting. Thanks to the St. Lawrence Seaway, the Great Lakes have become infested with zebra mussels. These shellfish are not noxious, but they do cover everything...including the insides of municipal water pipes, causing issues. Shellfish are edible, and mussels are good for you. Their shells concentrate calcium and potassium and, ground up, make enriching fertilizer. Harvesting those mussels - just stripping them off of stuff - would be a public service. And a process could be made, maybe, to extract the meats. Otherwise, just grind up the whole mass and make fertilizer or salmon feed. And finally, duck, goose, swan and seagull eggs. These waterfowl abound in a place where one is never more than 1 mile from some body of water. Michigan is a wet place. Wild birds are free range, and seagulls, at least, are not a remotely endangered species. So set up nesting and harvest some eggs. Then there are the trees themselves and their edible products. A lottery win means freedom to pursue these things. If God wants them to be, He will make it possible.
The Michigan tourism board wouldn't care for that description. : ) Now that is interesting, providing you can avoid disease. You know the challenges for fish farms. Pretty much the original Republican Big Gooberment project. The ruinous demands for taxation of the South that set off the Civil War were to be used to fund such projects. Goddammed Yankee scum.
The Michigan Tourist Board actually ran a campaign about 20 years ago called "Say Nice Things About Detroit". Sounded to me more like a desperate plea than a call for tourism. I'm thinking that something more pungent like: "Bite the Bullet: Try Detroit". Or "Detroit Convention Center: Dirt cheap, and you probably won't die."
If you want to make some big money, try to find an inexpensive way to wipe out the feral hogs that are ruining land and crops from Michigan to Texas and across the South. Rural people get very excited when a herd is spotted. Around here, the very mention of a sighting of feral hogs results in people organizing and spending a weekend or more hunting down and killing every last one of them.
I'd have to find some PURPOSE for the hogs other than bacon. Some could be trained to snuffle truffles, but most would need some other purpose. The purpose to which they could effectively be put would be as natural rototillers. It is a very old French practice to fence in an area of tough soil one would like to plant and just put some pigs in there and let them root around for a season. They turn over the soil, they fertilize it. It's a zero-labor way to (irregularly) till soil and fertilize it. The broken soil can then be double-dug for French intensive gardening. So, you don't need a modern rototiller or any sort of machines, or labor. Just rooting hogs. Of course, they have to be fed, but they can and will eat many things. I'd imagine that if an area is infested with wild pigs, you could do a no kill hunt, round them up and truck them out as a group. A single normal- sized pig can root up a 300 square foot area and turn it into a mud pit - a fertile mudpit beautiful for planting next season, so a 1000 pound wild sow could probably tear up a good 500 sf easily. Get 100 of them going, and you'd have 50,000 sf of deeply turned, fertilized, gorgeously prepared land for intensive vegetable farming, without the need for any human labor. That works out to about 80 pigs an acre to get the equivalent of double dug beds. Let me have every wild hog in Texas, and I have the free labor to prepare 30 square miles of fertilized farmland - almost 19,000 acres - for planting. Some fencing and water is cheaper than equipment, gas and salaries. Essentially, if I win the lottery, I'll be happy to turn all of the wild hogs you've got into slaves to till my soil. And while I'm at it, I'll infest oak trees with the spores of truffles and scatter the seedlings everywhere. Forests of oaks infected with the fungus will end up meaning forests of truffles...at $1000 a kg, over time, and some of my labor force can snuffle them up. Obviously a key thing to do with a lottery win is an exhaustive nutritional and utility study of every native plant. Look, lambsquarters is a weed. We rip it up, we poison it, we drive it out. But all it is is wild American spinach. It's as nutritious as spinach, and it's a lot hardier than spinach, and it grows without labor. Dogs can pull carts. They can also get excercise buy pulling things in a circle. Anything that can be pulled in a circle can be attached to a water pump to bring up water or a generator to make electricity. Animals die, and when they do, they are meat for other animals. Essentially, I need the economic liberty to do these things, because nobody will ever co-invest. They would all be profitable in the end, but it would take decades, maybe even a century, to get them in place. That requires humans with long vision and lots of free time. The humans I would seek out would be the outcasts, the wretched, the prisoners, the drug addicts, the sex offenders. Any of them who wanted to be part of something meaningful and have a position of economic security and respect would have a role in providing the brains and leadership behind various animals doing various things. Drug lab guys would make expert nutrition lab analyzers. It is known that working with animals makes violent people tamer, and makes a bond between man and animal. That has been used for prisoner rehab, but it doesn't last. But I can create a structure that will last a lifetime, produce what we need for food and clothing and shelter, and take the blade away from the animals' necks too - a bucolic symbiosis quite unlike conventional agriculture. The lottery win is needed, and the interest stream from the tax-free bonds into which it is invested, to make the ongoing investment, year after year after year, into something that will not produce any profit for a very long time, but which, if incubated long enough, can. The broken humans, and the "useless" animals, can be intertwined in ways that pattern French Intensive vegetable farming. Do it, build it, show how, and it would certainly be emulated, and it would get the financial support to remain a self-licking ice cream cone. If it grows, it's edible in some fashion. If it trots, it can do work until it dies, and then it can feed something with its flesh, and clothe somebody or make a tent for someone with its skin. But I dream strange dreams that others do not. No human would ever fund it, so God will have to if he wants it done. Give me a natural phenomenon, and I will show you a way to produce something useful from it, a small economic return than can employ some otherwise broken man.
I think you aren't acquainted with feral hogs. Anyway, this talk of swine is a turnoff. Reindeer, even parasite whitetals, are fine. But wild hogs? Ewww. Just kill them all. Use machine guns, toxic poisons, run over them with tanks, whatever it takes. You're a city person or you'd know that some things really do need killing. You have a bit of a Dr. Dolittle complex. It would not survive direct contact with nature.
#87. To: Tooconservative (#86)
You would be surprised at some of the places I've lived and things I've done. There is no doubt that there is a standard way of doing things. There is no doubt that I generally find these "ways" to be wanting, and look for other ways.
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#15. To: Tooconservative (#13)
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It can't be too surprising that they don't like to be ordered around by Brussels any more than they liked being ordered around by Moscow during the Soviet era.
#20. To: interpreter (#15)
You have brought up what I have found to be a very, very interesting subject -- Catalonia and the Basque people/race. Linguists tell us that virtually all of the languages spoken in Europe and Asia and north Africa are derived from a common language that originated in Mesopotamia, that is, the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. The only exceptions are the languages spoken by the Basques (in Catalonia), and the Turks/Turkish language, and the Uralic languages.
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
#24. To: Tooconservative (#22)
BTW, you may have missed the latest reindeer news.
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#24)
Now THAT's good stuff! If I win the lottery, I'm going to do it: milk the white-tails! It's proven technology with the reindeer, so let's take it to the next step!
#27. To: Tooconservative (#26)
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I am curious: have you ever even milked a cow? Or a goat? Both are a lot more domesticated than any deer or reindeer.
#28. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
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#29. To: Tooconservative (#28)
Your prospects of finding enough reliable teat-squeezing peasants may not be as rosy as you think. Even so, I wish you luck with finding them.
#30. To: Vicomte13 (#29)
I always figured that I would have an easier time persuading the Russians to let me turn Siberia into a vast set of linked farms than persuading any American state to let me turn the wild whitetails into a semi-domesticated herd.
#31. To: Tooconservative (#30)
#32. To: Vicomte13 (#31)
#37. To: Tooconservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#32)
I still think it would be difficult to line up and milk reindeer with milking machines. And they still only would produce something like two quarts of milk per day. A dairy cow can produce gallons.
#44. To: Liberator, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#37)
The couple quarts + untrainable reindeer does present logistics probs if the intent is commercial liability.
Reindeer milk. Reindeer Mozzarella. Reindeer yogurt. Hmmm...
#48. To: Tooconservative (#44)
#50. To: Vicomte13 (#48)
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And once you've milked the white-tails, Bambi Brand And Hart Healthy Elk milk.
#63. To: Tooconservative (#50)
I think you might be more commercially viable with elk than with whitetail or reindeer.
#69. To: Vicomte13 (#63)
But nobody's done the whitetails yet. The poor whitetails just get shot and hit by cars. But there they are, grazing milk producers that don't need pasture at all - they take care of themselves and feed themselves on your flowers.
#73. To: Tooconservative (#69)
Naturally, much of the Midwest was untreed before man settled so these were not areas where deer were native.
#75. To: Vicomte13 (#73)
like Finland, but without the glitter.
Now, here's the thing: a German fellow has developed a means to hand milk the eggs out of sturgeon females, such that the females are not killed and continue to grow. This or similar techniques are already used at a Latvian sturgeon farm and a South Korean one, which produce no-kill caviar thereby.
Thanks to the St. Lawrence Seaway, the Great Lakes have become infested with zebra mussels.
#80. To: Tooconservative (#75)
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The Michigan tourism board wouldn't care for that description. : )
#82. To: Vicomte13 (#80)
The Michigan Tourist Board actually ran a campaign about 20 years ago called "Say Nice Things About Detroit". Sounded to me more like a desperate plea than a call for tourism.
#85. To: Tooconservative (#82)
If you want to make some big money, try to find an inexpensive way to wipe out the feral hogs
#86. To: Vicomte13 (#85)
Replies to Comment # 86. You're a city person or you'd know that some things really do need killing. You have a bit of a Dr. Dolittle complex. It would not survive direct contact with nature.
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