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Title: The twilight of the elites...in the European Union
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10 ... wilight-elites-european-union/
Published: Oct 17, 2017
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2017-10-17 10:35:59 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 565
Comments: 109

When I recently wrote about the possibility of a coming east-west schism in the European Union (EU), I focused primarily on Hungary and Poland. They’re part of that eastern block of countries which joined the EU a bit later and introduced a definite culture clash with their significantly more socialist, globalist neighbors in France and Brussels. Recent events to the east seem to have signaled a swift erosion of the older, established “elites” who have been running the show. But there are still more dominos left to fall.

Signs of that happening come to us with additional news in a similar vein this month. For one example, can you name the youngest national leader in the world right now? If you said Emanuel Macron you’re probably in the majority, but you’re also wrong. Macron is already almost an old man compared to the guy who is set to take power in Austria. That would be 31-year-old Sebastian Kurz, leader of the reinvigorated People’s Party (OeVP), who is about to topple the Socialist Democrat establishment in his nation. This has resulted in what the Washington Times’ Wesley Pruden describes as, “An Austrian thumb in the eye of the elites.”
Herr Kurz is called “the Austrian Trump,” and not, to celebrate his youth, “the Austrian JFK,” which illustrates just how far time has marched on. Two generations have been birthed in Europe that can barely recognize the late president by his mere initials.

But the new Austrian chancellor, youthful as he is, represents just the kind of new blood that Kennedy brought to the fore in the new world. He has achieved something close to rock-star status. He took over a fading political party whose party colors were black and black, replaced them with turquoise, rebranded the party as “a movement,” promised to get tough on runaway immigration, go easy on new taxes but to stay in Europe and “put Austria first.”

Did Kurz come up with “put Austria first” as a copy of Trump’s America First or did they arrive at those catchphrases independently? At this point, it doesn’t really matter. But there’s more of a similarity here than simple sloganeering. Check out the details of the Kurz platform which the Daily Mail described with palpable alarm. Some of this may ring a bell to American observers of politics. (Emphasis added)
The young leader, dubbed Wunderwuzzi in his home country, which translates to Wonderkid, has pledged to cut benefits for all foreigners in Austria and has vowed to stop the European Union meddling in the country’s politics.

Kurz, dubbed the Conservative Macron due to his age and his party reform, said: ‘I would of course like to form a stable government. If that cannot be done then there are other options,’ adding that he planned to talk to all parties in parliament but would first wait for a count of postal ballots that begins on Monday.

Kurz may form a coalition with either the now weakened Social Democrats or with the more right-wing Freedom Party. But he’s also indicating a willingness to simply go it alone if he can’t structure a deal in keeping with his campaign pledges.

But Kurz isn’t the only one. The Czech Republic, also part of that same eastern block, is closing in on their own elections and if the current polling is remotely accurate the race won’t be all that close. Their next leader is most likely to be a far less youthful, but equally revolutionary gentleman who is being referred to as “the Czech Trump” or “the new Berlusconi,” depending who you ask.

63 year old Andrej Babis is the leader of the ANO party and is on track to take control. He’s similarly alarmed the defenders of the status quo with comments about how he is, “done with multiculturalism.” (The Telegraph)
“We have other enemies than Russia. We have to fight the human traffickers in the Mediterranean. Twenty thousand have died in that sea. We have terrorism blighting Europe. What are we waiting for?” Mr. Babiš insisted that there are no genuine refugees arriving in Europe.

To be clear, I don’t believe any of this signals the absolute end of the European Union, nor will the socialist tendencies of their more western member countries be completely subsumed any time soon. Neither Kurz nor Babis is signaling an immediate move toward leaving the EU and both of their nations still benefit greatly from trade through that organization. But at the same time, they have no interest in having Brussels micromanage the affairs of their respective nations and they want their borders to be secured. And seeing how well Hungary has done in thumbing its nose at the EU, both of these men have little reason to fear reprisal.

Make Europe Great Again?”

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#1. To: All, IbJensen (#0)

The Czech elections are the likely tipping point between Old Europe and New Europe.

The Czechs, Poles, Austrians and Hungarians could constitute a formidable counterweight against Germany's Merkel and her French boy-toy, Macron.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-17   10:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#1)

That would make perfect sense!

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2017-10-17   11:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#0) (Edited)

Great Post. Multiculturalism (which let the Muslims in who are terrorizing Europe & America) is a failed experiment, and virtually every politician who has supported it has either already been defeated, or soon will be.

Very soon, the EU will be either be completely disbanded, or else be forced to abandon its "open borders" policy if it is to have any chance of survival.

Next, all NATO nations that continue to embrace Islam (the 7th head of Satan) will be kicked out, leaving the prophesied 24 Christian nations which are to rule the Earth for Jesus for a glorious 1000 years! It cannot fail to come to pass because Jesus said it and He doesn't lie.

interpreter  posted on  2017-10-17   11:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: interpreter (#3)

Multiculturalism (which let the Muslims in who are terrorizing Europe & America) is a failed experiment, and virtually every politician who has supported it has either already been defeated, or soon will be.

Damage done. The Politicians/Tools have been compensated for their treason. They care not about "re-election"

The enabling of an Invading Army of Jihadis was NOT any "experiment," but planned infection, designed to cripple and bloody the native serfs. Your Overlords and Occultist-Elites welcome the coming chaos.

The "experimental" infection did NOT have the consent of any of its host nations, was based on blatant lie of "refugees," and rammed down the throats of the serfs by the Globalist overlords, whose End Game is anarchy. Then, "Order out of Chaos."

Next, all NATO nations that continue to embrace Islam (the 7th head of Satan) will be kicked out, leaving the prophesied 24 Christian nations which are to rule the Earth for Jesus for a glorious 1000 years! It cannot fail to come to pass because Jesus said it and He doesn't lie.

I don't know where you get your "prophesies" from, but you don't seem to be able to grasp what's actually going on, nor the timing.

Fwiw, "NATO Nations" are run by Globalist-Elitist Occultists.

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-17   12:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Too little, too late. Other than mass deportation or other means of elimination, there IS no antidote for the millions of Jihadis already firmly entrenched and organized within the bowels of Europe.

This is nothing but Parlor Trick by the Elites. Random pro-nationalist elections are intended to give the illusion of "Democracy-in-action" and of nations "who still retain autonomy and sovereignty."

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-17   12:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Liberator (#5)

Too little, too late. Other than mass deportation or other means of elimination, there IS no antidote for the millions of Jihadis already firmly entrenched and organized within the bowels of Europe.

You assume that all Muslim immigrants are or will stay hardcore Muzzies.

I think a lot of them, probably a majority, will be corrupted by living in free Western nations. Some will stay in Muzzie mode, perhaps for generations. But not all of them.

We always assume that no one will defect from the Muzzie agenda. We see that isn't true here in the States.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-17   12:58:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)

You assume that all Muslim immigrants are or will stay hardcore Muzzies.

Right. That's a crazy assumption. What am I thinking??

Forgive me -- for some reason I'm getting flashbacks of Bush's "Islam is a Religion of Peace," Neocons claims of a "Heroes' Welcomes" in Iraq as it was to become the world's first "Moslem Democracy" in 1400 years.

I think a lot of them, probably a majority, will be corrupted by living in free Western nations. Some will stay in Muzzie mode, perhaps for generations. But not all of them.

No, "not all of them." Just enough to go rampaging onward toward their Jihad and fulfilling Allah's Commandment to "crush the Infidel."

The mandatory "Convert OR Die" T-Shirts will be sold by Amazon soon.

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-17   13:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#0)

The twilight of the elites...in the European Union

He misspelled "effete".

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-10-17   19:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: interpreter (#3)

Great Post. Multiculturalism (which let the Muslims in who are terrorizing Europe & America) is a failed experiment, and virtually every politician who has supported it has either already been defeated, or soon will be.

You are FUCKIN' NUTCASE.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-17   22:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#9)

You are FUCKIN' NUTCASE.

You are the only nutcase. Can you name even one multi-culturist who has been reelected?

Granted, the election in Germany is still up in the air, but Merkel, I'm pretty sure, will ultimately be defeated if she does not change her stance on immigration. Very soon there will be 23 other "politically incorrect" presidents/PM's just like Trump who will likewise build a wall around their nation, and they will rule the Earth for a thousand years unimpeded by the last head of Satan.

interpreter  posted on  2017-10-17   23:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: interpreter (#10)

I know you "want" all this multiculturalism BS to go away ... but realize (assuming you can) that it is a pipe dream. The Europeans are socialists and they like foreign nationals invading their respective countries. Get over it and put down the pipe.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-17   23:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#1) (Edited)

Who would have ever thought back in the 80s that Hungary, Poland and the Czech republic would be more western then west Europe.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-10-18   7:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#12)

It can't be too surprising that they don't like to be ordered around by Brussels any more than they liked being ordered around by Moscow during the Soviet era.

Despite a rising resistance, I don't see Brussels stopping. They will keep pushing and may resort to more coercive measures. This is where Brexit has really hurt them. And the situation in Catalonia only makes things worse.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-18   7:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#11)

I know you "want" all this multiculturalism BS to go away ... but realize (assuming you can) that it is a pipe dream. The Europeans are socialists and they like foreign nationals invading their respective countries. Get over it and put down the pipe.

Nope. It is no pipe dream. I "paraphrased" it a bit, but it was Jesus who originally said it, not me. And He doesn't tell any fibs. There may still be some "socialists" in power, depending entirely on how you want to define that term, but they definitely wont be of the multi-cultural variety.

interpreter  posted on  2017-10-18   8:14:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#13) (Edited)

It can't be too surprising that they don't like to be ordered around by Brussels any more than they liked being ordered around by Moscow during the Soviet era.

Despite a rising resistance, I don't see Brussels stopping. They will keep pushing and may resort to more coercive measures. This is where Brexit has really hurt them. And the situation in Catalonia only makes things worse.

You have brought up what I have found to be a very, very interesting subject -- Catalonia and the Basque people/race. Linguists tell us that virtually all of the languages spoken in Europe and Asia and north Africa are derived from a common language that originated in Mesopotamia, that is, the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. The only exceptions are the languages spoken by the Basques (in Catalonia), and the Turks/Turkish language, and the Uralic languages.

To make a long story very short, God only wants the descendants of Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply until they have dominion over all the Earth. IMHO, the Basque people should be very thankful that they even exist 6000 years later, and submit to being ruled by the descendants of Adam and Eve and be exceedingly glad about it.

Barry Midyet

interpreter  posted on  2017-10-18   8:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: interpreter, Vicomte13 (#15) (Edited)

To make a long story very short, God only wants the descendants of Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply and have dominion over all the Earth. IMHO, the Basque people should be very thankful that even exist 6000 years later, and submit to being ruled by the descendants of Adam and Eve and be exceedingly glad about it.

Well, we have at least one member here at LF who might take exception to your views on the Basque.

I think the Basque are rather uniquely ancient, one of the few (or only) groups to retain their most ancient heritage in a way comparable to (or superior to) the Jews. I see no reason to find fault with them or suggest they are some kind of second-class citizens who are tolerated on the margins of society. The Basque have lived pretty quietly and inoffensively throughout the medieval and modern era. There are a lot of other groups (like Vikings) that are far more offensive historically than the Basque have been.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-18   9:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: interpreter (#14)

You can't get anything right or in proper perspective. All your predictions suck. All your comments on current events suck; so why not change your monicker to: "I suck?"

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-18   9:56:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#16)

Well, we have at least one member here at LF who might take exception to your views on the Basque.

I think the Basque are rather uniquely ancient, one of the few (or only) groups to retain their most ancient heritage in a way comparable to (or superior to) the Jews. I see no reason to find fault with them or suggest they are some kind of second-class citizens who are tolerated on the margins of society. The Basque have lived pretty quietly and inoffensively throughout the medieval and modern era. There are a lot of other groups (like Vikings) that are far more offensive historically than the Basque have been.

I agree 100% that the Basque people/language is older than Adam and Eve and the Jewish race/ language. But that does not mean that they are "superior." That, according to the Bible, makes them inferior.

But they still exist and that's fine with me. And I have, I'm pretty sure, been communicating at times with the Basque person on LF you are talking about. I'm sure she is a very fine person. But the Basques/Catalonia, in my opinion, should not be allowed to secede from Spain. That's all I'm saying, and nothing bad.

And before anyone on LF stoops to calling me a racist, let me just say that my wife is a member of one of the "inferior" races not descended from Adam and Eve. I.e., she is a Mexican-American with (I'm fairly sure) at least some American Indian blood/genes in her family tree. I am also, like most Americans, an American "mutt" and just happy to be here, as all people in our great nation should be. And while we are on this subject, I feel that African Americans should also be very thankful they are here, no matter how their ancestors got here.

interpreter  posted on  2017-10-18   10:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#17)

You can't get anything right or in proper perspective. All your predictions suck. All your comments on current events suck; so why not change your monicker to: "I suck?"

I have got everything right so far. Every one of my annual predictions that I have been making for 25 years have come to pass just like I said they would.

So I suggest/conclude that it is you that has never got anything right or in the proper perspective.

interpreter  posted on  2017-10-18   10:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: interpreter (#15)

You have brought up what I have found to be a very, very interesting subject -- Catalonia and the Basque people/race. Linguists tell us that virtually all of the languages spoken in Europe and Asia and north Africa are derived from a common language that originated in Mesopotamia, that is, the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. The only exceptions are the languages spoken by the Basques (in Catalonia), and the Turks/Turkish language, and the Uralic languages.

To make a long story very short, God only wants the descendants of Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply until they have dominion over all the Earth. IMHO, the Basque people should be very thankful that they even exist 6000 years later, and submit to being ruled by the descendants of Adam and Eve and be exceedingly glad about it.

Barry Midyet

You have interesting views. Now let's perfect them a bit.

(1) Catalonia is not the Basque country. Catalonia is the territory of the Catalans, centered on Barcelona on the eastern, Mediterranean coast of Spain.

(2) The Basque country - Euskal Herria (in Euskal, which is the Basque word for "Basque") - Vasconia in Spanish - is on the western, Atlanic coast, of Spain and France, centered on the Pyrenees, the Atlantic, coastal borderlands between the two countries.

Catalonia and the Basque country (which includes both Vasconia and Navarre, on the Spanish side, and Lapurdi, Zuberoa and French Navarre on the Frenchside) do not touch geographically. The Spanish province of Aragon sits between them.

My point: Catalonia is not peopled by Basques, and the Catalans do not speak Basque. They speak Catalan, a Latin language, which is essentially the same as the traditional language of Southern France - the "Languedoc" dialect.

(3) We Basques are descendants of the post-Flood Nephilim. The biological difference between us and the rest of the Europeans, reposing in our blood type, makes us only partially interfertile with other people. Essentially, a Basque woman with Rh negative blood has typically only been able to have one child with a male who has Rh positive blood, because of the "blue baby" syndrome. After she has had her first child, the leakage of the positive blood allele across the placental connection causes an allergic reaction in the woman, which in turn causes her body to reject all later Rh positive babies.

(4) What this means is that when other folks have come through the Basque country, as conquerors or colonizers, that Basque women have been able to produce at most one child with them, but they can produce unlimited children with other Basques. In time, this has acted to genetically reduce the presence of the foreigner with each successive generation, and to preserve the Basque race.

Basques have always been seafarers, the first open-ocean Atlantic ones. This has been for the purpose of fishing, not conquest. On land, we've been sheepherders since time immemorial. Columbus was the hired head of the expedition, but he got to America and back on ships crewed by Basques - nobody else were deep-sea sailors. Ditto for Magellan. He died. It was his Basque crew who actually made it around the world.

(5) As far as us deserving to be "very thankful that we even exist..." and that we ought to "submit", you sound like a Nazi. Other people did not give us life. The same God that gave you your life, and that will take it away, gave us ours. We are men like anybody else, descendants of Adam and Eve. We're partly descended from the giants also, but what is that to you? We don't have the Rhesus monkey factor in our blood because we're descended from angels. YOU have it because YOU are descended from monkeys. So we're superior to you, obviously. The royal families of France and Spain - the House of Bourbon - comes out of Navarre and are Basque in origin. So, really, we are the greatest explorers and rulers - even our blood rejects your monkey blood.

See how idiotic that sounds?

(6) We fish. We herd sheep. We leave people alone. We came over to Christ in Roman times and have stayed with him. We haven't invaded our neighbors. We've had various folks pass through, and some stay...Celts, Romans, Visigoths, Arabs (the Song of Roland takes place in the Basque country), French and Spanish. Once we're all Christian and people are not abusive, what difference does it make? We're a smallish tribe that never had any ambition to take over the world, and it's better for us to be connected with the wider world. Catching fish and herding sheep is a living, but there's more to life than that, and to get out of your little province and see the world you need to be able to get along with other people.

Some people get the idea of making other people "submit" to their imagined cultural superiority into their heads. The Romans did. They're gone. The Muslims did. They're gone. Franco did. He's dead and has shuffled off to hell. We're still there. And here. And all over the world.

(7) Another correction: All of humanity is descended from Adam and Eve, and from Cain and Zillah, and Noah and Na'amah and either Ham, Shem or Japheth. Some of us are also descended from fallen angels. I think you're probably not descended from monkeys, you just act like you are with all of this "SUBMIT" business.

Chimps and imperalists beat their chests. Always have. They die and rot in the grave like fishermen and herders, just the same. But the fisherman and the herder has a better chance of spending the afterlife in Paradise than the imperialist. He gets to spend a longer spell in purgatorial Gehenna repenting his violence and arrogance.

So no, we should not be "submitting" to you monkey-bloods, any more than you should be submitting to us angelics. Really, the only difference between us and you, when you get down to the brass tacks, is that we are much better looking and therefore get more girls.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-18   10:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#20) (Edited)

Wow, I was pretty sure I would receive a lot of flak from all the Basques including you. And you have really let me have it exactly as I expected. And I will have to further investigate some of the things you have said. But one thing I know for sure is you are not descended from Adam and Eve, and not because I say so, but because every linguist on Earth says so. There is not one word in the Basque language that is derived from the language that Adam and Eve spoke (sometimes called the Indo-European language, but it actually originated in Mesopotamia (Eden) according to most linguists). So I stand 100 % behind what I have said. I am only repeating what what virtually all linguists say.

And granted, the Basques are scattered throughout Spain and France in addition to Catalonia, but I fail to see how that makes any difference, or affects anything that I have said.

I stand by my remarks 100 % as do all linguists. So I rest my case.

But I am sure you are a very good person, and as I recall, a Roman Catholic? That, my friend will get you into heaven, and not your race for God's sake.

BTW, we are all descended from monkeys, both you and I and all of modern (i.e, civilized) humans, through the process of Intelligent Design. In other words, God designed it that both you and I would be here and be able to have this very important (and civil) debate on LF.

And I will have to agree that you are probably better looking than I am. I am pretty ugly and dont get many girls, that's for sure.

Sincerely, Barry Midyet

interpreter  posted on  2017-10-18   17:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

BTW, you may have missed the latest reindeer news.

TheLibertyConservative: Reindeer Farmer Turned Congressman Hopes To Regain Lost House Seat In 2018

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-19   0:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: interpreter (#21)

Of course Basque isn't Indo -European. The Basques settled Iberia and Acquitania 40,000 years ago, painted the caves and bred with Neanderthals. Photo-Indoeuropeans didn't exist yet. The Steppes from which they eventually came 32000 years later were still covered with ice. So was Michigan, for that matter. There were no Great Lakes yet, and England and France were still a continuous, flat continent (with no people in them). The Basques have been in place for a long, long, LONG time - preparing Indo-European by tens of millennia.

But Adam and Eve speaking Indo-European? No linguist will say that. For one thing, linguistics is a real science. Real science treats Adam and Eve as a cultural legend, not an actual fact. But beyond that, if we allow Adam and Eve actual existence, in a Middle Eastern Eden, with their lines traced forward among all men (and in particular the patriarchs of the Bible) THOSE people spoke Hebrew and Akkadian, Aramaic and Canaanitin and Phonecian, and Coptic Egyptian. And those languages are entirely Hamitic and Semitic in origin, two completely different language families utterly unrelated to Indo-European, as are Sinitic (Chinese) and Altaic (Mongolian) languages. Basque is unique not only because it's a European language unrelated to the surrounding Indo-European languages, but because it is not related to ANY other language or language family on earth. That is because we are descended from angels...or Neanderthalers.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-23   10:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Tooconservative (#22)

BTW, you may have missed the latest reindeer news.

Now THAT's good stuff! If I win the lottery, I'm going to do it: milk the white-tails! It's proven technology with the reindeer, so let's take it to the next step!

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-24   15:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13 (#24)

Now THAT's good stuff! If I win the lottery, I'm going to do it: milk the white-tails! It's proven technology with the reindeer, so let's take it to the next step!

Finally, a GOP congressman that you can like. Anyway, it's very rare to catch any reindeer news so naturally I thought of your interest.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-24   18:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Vicomte13 (#24)

Now THAT's good stuff! If I win the lottery, I'm going to do it: milk the white-tails! It's proven technology with the reindeer, so let's take it to the next step!

I am curious: have you ever even milked a cow? Or a goat? Both are a lot more domesticated than any deer or reindeer.

It isn't as much fun as you might think. And forget about any vacations or leaving home unless you have a neighbor or employee stupid enough to keep up the milking twice a day. You have to milk on schedule twice a day to keep up milk production. And they don't make any milking machines that can fit a goat or reindeer AFAIK.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-24   21:57:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Tooconservative (#26) (Edited)

I am curious: have you ever even milked a cow? Or a goat? Both are a lot more domesticated than any deer or reindeer.

It isn't as much fun as you might think.

Of course. And you're right, it's not particularly fun. It's not a horror either. A chore.

I assume that I will organize the farms and make sure they operate efficiently and have proper facilities and veterinary care.

I assume that once I have gone through the rather dreary business of establishing the best practices and the proper standards of kind treatment, by example, that I will be able to step away from the actual teat-squeezing and hire peasants to do that part.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-24   23:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13 (#27) (Edited)

Your prospects of finding enough reliable teat-squeezing peasants may not be as rosy as you think. Even so, I wish you luck with finding them.

Finding milkmaids in the 21st century isn't so easy.

It seems they do have milking machines for goats and sheep at Amazon. Not just one, a number of types. They offer different sizes of teat cups, goat hobbles (I only ever had hobbles for a cow), other equipment.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-24   23:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Tooconservative (#28)

Your prospects of finding enough reliable teat-squeezing peasants may not be as rosy as you think. Even so, I wish you luck with finding them.

Finding milkmaids in the 21st century isn't so easy.

I always figured that I would have an easier time persuading the Russians to let me turn Siberia into a vast set of linked farms than persuading any American state to let me turn the wild whitetails into a semi-domesticated herd.

There are plenty of peasants in Russia willing to do things a lot more demeaning than that.

In the US, I would prefer to use prisoners. Handling their own animals often makes really bad men better than they were.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-24   23:47:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#29)

I always figured that I would have an easier time persuading the Russians to let me turn Siberia into a vast set of linked farms than persuading any American state to let me turn the wild whitetails into a semi-domesticated herd.

Russia is willing, eager even, to bring in American agricultural producers with expertise. They have ranchers and cowboys over there from places like Wyoming and Montana (people who are used to cold weather and a hard life).

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-24   23:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Tooconservative (#30)

Back after their Revolution and before World War II, many skilled American engineers went over there to help them set up factories using modern techniques. Tsarist Russia was really pathetic at educating engineers to do that, due to the class and wealth strictures on education under the old monarchy.

I had a great uncle who was an engineer in the auto industry in Michigan who went over there in the 1920s and helped them design and build modern factories for machine production.

It's a good thing Americans went over and did that, because it was those same factories that churned out war material that ate up the German armies two decades later. Without those production facilities, the USSR would never have been able to survive the German onslaught, and we would have faced an ugly one-front war against the Third Reich on the beaches of France.

After the Cold War ended, men like Tillerson went over there with their companies and helped the Russians re-establish their oil industry on modern lines. Russia really is a land of opportunity for American engineers with vision. It's a vast land with people who are well- educated in the sciences, but who do not have the benefit of modern systems theory or capital. Russians are hardy, and they will work as regular employees in places so harsh that American workers would demand - and get - high pay as an incentive to go.

Russia's a hard place, to be sure, and if you try to set up any sort of financial system, you are going to get robbed. (That is also true in China, for different reasons: the Chinese government will steal your intellectual property. The Russian government won't do that, but the Russian mob will literally steal any money you bring in.) In Russia, you can have security if you build things in agriculture, in raw materials exploitation, in power generation. And you building things means that you provide the money and some expertise - the Russians themselves will build it and operate it, but if you provide the funds and some plans, the Russians will let you get a reasonable profit stream from it and won't just seize it. There is a rule of law, of sorts, in Russian when you stay down in beetroots and machine parts. Try to make money on money flows, which is to say usury, and you're going to get devoured.

In China, you can make a profit for a few years, while you build your big factories. But then they will steal you blind and take all of your intellectual property.

And anyway, China is not full of deer. Siberia is. One of the Soviet Winter War plans was to move large populations of defeated Finnish Laplanders to Siberia to make it productive in cold weather agriculture and industry. Of course those plans never came to be because the Finns fought the Soviets off pretty effectively until the very end - and then Stalin had far bigger fish to fry than little Finland.

"So many Russians, and our country so small, where will we find room to bury them all?" - Finnish expression from 1940.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-25   6:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Vicomte13 (#31)

Siberia aside, I still think it would be difficult to line up and milk reindeer with milking machines. And they still only would produce something like two quarts of milk per day. A dairy cow can produce gallons.

You would really have to have a market demand to justify creating the herd and barns and machinery and such. And then get the reindeer to be a little cooperative.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-25   8:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tooconservative (#26)

have you ever even milked a cow?

Yeah watch the closest hind leg closely.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-10-25   9:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Vicomte13 (#27)

teat-squeezing and hire peasants to do that part.

You will at least need 8 maids a milking.

Just think how the "12 days of Christmas" reinforces white privilege. :)

redleghunter  posted on  2017-10-25   9:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative, Liberator (#29)

In the US, I would prefer to use prisoners. Handling their own animals often makes really bad men better than they were.

In Texas some Juvenile Corrections facilities teach ranching/farming skills. That could be a ministry for you Vic. Come on down to Texas and leave behind your Yankee ways (as I did). :)

redleghunter  posted on  2017-10-25   10:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vicomte13 (#31)

Good stuff.

You really ought to have been a University professor.

You're problem would have been boredom if you were compelled to teach the same subject every year.

(Still have that reindeer dream? :-)

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-25   10:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Tooconservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#32)

I still think it would be difficult to line up and milk reindeer with milking machines. And they still only would produce something like two quarts of milk per day. A dairy cow can produce gallons.

You would really have to have a market demand to justify creating the herd and barns and machinery and such. And then get the reindeer to be a little cooperative.

Now...THIS is classic LP/LF fare. Hilarious.

I for one enjoy it.

MLK had his dream; Vic has his.

The couple quarts + untrainable reindeer does present logistics probs if the intent is commercial liability.

Reindeer milk. Reindeer Mozzarella. Reindeer yogurt. Hmmm...

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-25   10:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: redleghunter, Tooconservative, Vicomte13 (#33)

Yeah watch the closest hind leg closely.

When the day comes when I'm milking a reindeer or cow, I'm hoping for a kick in the head ;-)

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-25   10:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: redleghunter (#34)

You will at least need 8 maids a milking.

Just think how the "12 days of Christmas" reinforces white privilege. :)

Uh-oh. 12 Days of a WHITEY Christmas. Great meme.

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-25   10:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, TooConservative (#35)

In Texas some Juvenile Corrections facilities teach ranching/farming skills. That could be a ministry for you Vic. Come on down to Texas and leave behind your Yankee ways (as I did). :)

Excellent idea. Vic, first you've got to run a personal pilot program.

I truly believe Vic could well conduct a Juvie project and turn it into a ministry...

Or run seminars in his native New England. I can see one or all being successful for him...

All those retired hippies up in Vermont, Mass, NY State and CT are BEGGING for something like this.

Btw, dunno how anybody can leave NY/NJ/CT pizza and beaches for...Texas ;-/

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-25   10:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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