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Title: If a scientific conspiracy theory is funny, that doesn’t mean it’s a joke
Source: The Verge
URL Source: https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/9/ ... heories-memes-irony-flat-earth
Published: Oct 9, 2017
Author: Kaitlyn Tiffany
Post Date: 2017-10-11 11:29:26 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 170
Comments: 32

If you feel like flat Earth theory has gotten unaccountably popular recently, you’re right. According to Google Trends, search interest in the flat Earth conspiracy theory has already had several distinct peaks in the last year. (“The last year” was 2017, not 1519, just to be clear.) It’s funny, weird, and while it’s certainly not at the top of our list of problems as a society, it’s not entirely innocent either.

Interest surged in February and March, then again in May, then again in August and September. These jumps are mostly tied to a couple of strange outbursts by celebrities, notably 2010’s favorite cheeseball rapper and Gossip Girl backing vocalist B.o.B. and Boston Celtics point guard Kyrie Irving. But interest in the topic has been climbing steadily since late 2014, shortly after a faction of Daniel Shenton’s “Flat Earth Society” broke away to create its own website and forum. The FAQ page for Flat Earth Society is the third Google search result for “flat Earth,” and encourages people to distrust science completely, as the best way to experience reality is “by relying on one’s own senses to discern the true nature of the world around us.”

News outlets contribute, too, because explainers about the flat Earth conspiracy do incredible traffic. They’re capitalizing on a basic human interest in mysteries and the strange behavior of others, and they’re also wading into an online environment where it’s impossible to differentiate a joke from a deeply held belief. That’s a recipe for one viral hit, then another. It’s been a huge, thrilling year for flat Earth truthers.

The Flat Earth Society’s site — which posits that the idea of a round Earth is somehow related to the faking of the Moon landing — is remarkably well-designed and professional-looking, eliminating some of the old hallmarks of disinformation on the internet. The ease of creating a website as clean as this one is a problem that has been well-documented by information scientists. As recently as five years ago, high schools were teaching that you could identify a disreputable source by its cheap-looking site, bad design, and messy URL. That no longer holds.

Digital newsrooms churn out coverage of flat Earth truthers using tools that make it easy to find stories bubbling up from the depths of Reddit. Here’s how it works: conspiracy theories get people fired up enough to comment promiscuously, bringing them to the front of Reddit where journalists see them, says The Verge’s editorial director Helen Havlak. When a reporter writes an explainer of a new oddball conspiracy theory, the sharing and hate commenting that drove the theory to the top of Reddit reoccurs on Facebook. And, if the post is coming from a generally reputable outlet or involves a celebrity (e.g., B.o.B. or Kyrie Irving) or a major news event (e.g., a presidential election), it can also get a boost into the Top Stories slot on Google News. “Newsrooms watch each other’s highest-performing stories,” Havlak says. It’s common practice to use a tool that lets newsrooms make lists of their competitors and monitor the popularity of their posts (on services like CrowdTangle, for example) to see what’s doing well for other outlets, and what might be a sure traffic bet if they could find a fresh angle or a reason to weigh in. “People see all the traffic to be had, and look for the next thing trickling up from Reddit,” she says. “Cycle repeats.”

Flat Earthers have received extensive coverage from platforms as diverse and prestigious as Vice, The Atlantic, Sports Illustrated, The Guardian, and Mic. Obviously none of these outlets indulge flat Earth theory as plausible, or even remotely rational — but they do contribute to its ongoing popularity by feeding the appetite for these stories.

Using CrowdTangle, we can comb through months of posts on the Facebook pages for major science and news outlets. The interface is simple, and shows how many likes, comments, and shares each post gets above or below that page’s usual number. Unsurprisingly, flat Earth conspiracy articles far outperform the average for these pages: LiveScience’s “Is Earth Flat? A Guide to the Ultimate Conspiracy Theory” received about 11 times the Facebook engagement (likes, comments, and shares) as the average LiveScience post. CNET’s “This is what flat-earthers on social media really believe” was about 16 times as popular as the average post on that page. Last year, Mic’s fledgling tech and science vertical The Future is Now posted the same flat Earther explainer, titled “There is a Massive Conspiracy to Hide the Fact That the Earth is Flat,” twice in the same month, for a total of over 1,000 shares, at a time when that page was averaging closer to 30 shares per post. Though I used these Facebook statistics as an approximation for how well flat Earth posts did in comparison to other posts on various news sites, Havlak says the majority of traffic on posts The Verge has published about other conspiracy theories — including two posts that I wrote, about the One Direction Babygate theory and the “Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer” theory — came from Google. The Top Stories box is crucial, and Google is still most people’s first go-to when their curiosity is piqued.

An admin of the Flat Earth Society site also wrote a personal thank you note to Yahoo! News in January, writing, “Every article like this spreads our message to more unaware minds.”

Not everyone who’s reading or sharing these posts can possibly be believers in flat Earth. I asked Joseph Uscinski, a political science professor at the University of Miami who recently co-authored a history of American conspiracy theories, why people who don’t believe in the flat Earth theory would waste their time reading about it. Reading about a conspiracy theory is “not unlike [watching] an M. Night Shyamalan movie in the theater,” he says. These theories “posit alternative realities full of schemes and skullduggery… Did secret agents plant explosives in the Twin Towers to fake a terror attack? Did the Mafia undertake a hit against President Kennedy? Do interdimensional lizards secretly interbreed with humans while running the planet? Even if one is not convinced, there is plenty of entertainment there.”

Also, the feeling of reading about a conspiracy theory is kind of like the sensation of watching Mr. Robot, says Mark Fenster, an expert in government transparency at the University of Florida law school and author of Conspiracy Theories: Secrets and Power in American Culture. That show, and the thrillers and mystery novels that preceded it, play with the idea that “you have a certain set of understandings and beliefs that you are taught and that you believe are true, but in fact, if you actually look closely at them and understand the truth of the matter, those beliefs are proven to be false. That is — in a fictional universe — extremely enticing and extremely exciting. It can be a source of fun.”

As for people who actually believe in flat Earth theory, Fenster says, you can’t really change their minds with photographic evidence or mathematical proof of a round Earth. To believe in a theory like this one, you have to go way, way past the normal threshold for questioning expertise and “hierarchies of intellectual knowledge.” It’s fun for us to have our perceptions pulled apart in fictional thrillers and mysteries, but we consider a narrative satisfying only when it also offers a way to put things back together. People who believe in flat Earth have already decided that the world around them can’t possibly be what it seems, and so a conspiracy theory becomes “a nice way of efficiently explaining what would otherwise be a confounding world,” Fenster says.

The flat Earth theory is spreading online, and it’s hard to tell where the joke begins or ends. We can prove that hundreds of thousands of people are aware of an obscure belief that they weren’t before, but we can’t prove whether this has actually converted a substantial number of them to the cause. The United States has been “crazy with conspiracy theories” since before the Revolutionary War, Fenster says; the percentage of Americans who believe in some conspiracy or another around the JFK assassination has hovered between 60 and 80 percent for the last 50 years. But, “there are fun and games with conspiracy theorizing,” he says. “We don’t really believe them, but we know a lot about them, but maybe we do believe them a little, but we’re actually just sort of joking and playing. People are doing that winking thing on Reddit. You can do these fun and games and never really be called on it.”

It’s true that the theory is so absurd as to be kind of funny, and it’s fair to say that people who believe in it aren’t directly endangering anyone’s lives. That’s one explanation as to why people might click on a flat Earth thread even though they would never share an anti-vaccine meme or a joke about AIDS being a hoax. Still, there’s something unnerving about cultivating an online environment in which none of our actions are sincere: a click is an ironic click; a share is a hate-share; a comment is tongue-in-cheek, play-acting, or just “lol.”

There are hundreds of memes making fun of flat Earth by feigning a devout belief in it, and a lot of them are pretty entertaining. Know Your Meme even counts “Flat Earth” as a genre of meme, and provides a helpful timeline of its spread, mainly across Reddit. Know Your Meme editor Matt Schimkowitz told me there’s a rhythm to the growth of theories like flat Earth. They’ll show up on 4chan and Reddit and believers will start out as the subject of ridicule. Their belief will become a joke that’s repeated faux-sincerely and increasingly emphatically by people who consider everything they say to be “ironic.” That’s where memes come in, and in this case they represent a style of mockery that looks an awful lot like agreement. “From there it can kind of spiral,” he says. “It can attract people who are looking to believe in these kinds of things, looking for things to confirm what they believe — like the government’s out to get them, scientists are lying to us, that sort of deal. What starts as an ironic thing eventually reaches people who are willing to go along with it. From there you have sort of full-blown conspiracy theories. It reaches a new level.”

“You can turn people into something different just through irony,” he says. He noticed this trend in the wake of the 2016 election and in countless excavations of the online dens of the alt-right, where people would start out saying they were just joking about racism or anti-Semitism. But engaging with that type of humor for long enough could eventually radicalize them. He says he sees the same process happen with conspiracy theories. If you can get people to ironically question systems like NASA and the federal government and the scientific process in general, you can sometimes get them to question those things for real.

Schimkowitz understands that flat Earth trutherism isn’t as immediately dangerous as climate change denialism or the anti-vaccine backlash, but that doesn’t mean it’s totally harmless. “I think it is important to maintain a level of concern about [conspiracy theorists],” he says. “They do things that harm society as a whole, like negate or dilute scientific reason. That’s something that’s having profound impact on everyone. Looking at climate change denialism, that comes from just doubting the idea of expertise as a whole. Conspiracy theorists attack expertise.”

Though Schimkowitz is speaking only to his experience with conspiracy theories on 4chan and Reddit, sociologist Ted Goertzel, who specializes in researching scientific conspiracy theories at Rutgers, told me almost the exact same thing. The basic goal of a conspiracy theorist, he says, isn’t usually to prove that one specific theory is true or false, but “to prove that nothing is provable, that all assertions are arbitrary.” He, too, sees an obvious case study in the recent election cycle, arguing that this is the type of thinking that leads people to believe that absolutely everything is “arbitrary and manipulative,” and that anything they don’t agree with is “fake news.”

Both Goertzel and Schimkowitz brought up the Pizzagate controversy of last year, in which a Reddit conspiracy theory that started as a joke resulted in a man showing up at a Washington, DC pizza shop with a gun, intending to release prisoners being held there by Hillary Clinton. Real people’s lives were put in danger by an idea delivered in a context that treats sincere arguments and jokes exactly the same — like faceless, morally neutral, almost random series of words for which no one is accountable. “That is one of the great problems of the internet right now,” Schimkowitz says. “It’s hard to tell the difference between a joke and sincerity. In terms of judging where the joke begins and ends, it’s almost impossible to tell at this point.”

In September, Kyrie Irving told Boston radio host Rich Shertenlieb he was just kidding about being a flat Earther. He just wanted to have an “open conversation” and prove a point: “[If] I believe that the world is flat, and you believe that the world is round, does that knock my intellectual capacity, or the fact that I can think different things than you can?”

It’s hard to call him on it. He’s just joking.


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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

If it's flat, then how thick is it?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-11   11:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#0)

For my part, I was very intrigued that someone was out there peddling a flat earth theory in such a very serious manner. I watched a couple videos arguing for flat earth to try to understand where the guy was coming from. Was he truly serious or was it satire? Did he really believe what he was saying? Maybe he didn't but for some reason wanted the audience to think he was.

The one I saw involved him displaying coins on a table top to illustrate the "supposed" orbit of the earth around the sun. He then went on to talk about the history of coinage going back to the Roman empire as though that was somehow relevant to his argument, which I found quite funny. Finally returning to the illustration, he suggested that if the earth was round and orbited the Sun, it would not be possible to see the same stars at night 6 months apart, conveniently omitting the fact that his 2D illustration did not represent the 3D universe.

I concluded that either he was demented, or he was conducting some kind of a social experiment to see how many people he could fool with the nonsense. You present a 3rd motive and that is simply to make some money via google monetizing (something I don't know much about).

I'd say though that in the long term he does a good service by teaching a lesson that we should not believe everything we see on the net. People have to learn to apply critical analysis to everything. That lack of ability in so many people is why people believe MSM on so many things, such as the notion that Trump is a racist and is out to promote genocide. That lack of ability is why we have the social/political division that we have right now with protesting and such. People believe MSM. I see it in my own family.

And if flat earth theories is the place we need to start such lessons, so be it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   11:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite (#2)

I wish the "time cube" website was still around. That would really mesmerize people with "abstract" thinking.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-11   12:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#2)

For my part, I was very intrigued that someone was out there peddling a flat earth theory in such a very serious manner.

I posted this mostly because it details how kookery boils up, usually from Reddit or Twitter, then some lamestream site does an "expose" which then ignites interest on Facebook which then leads other lamestream outlets (who are watching their competitors websites closely) to publish more of the same kookery or anti-kookery.

It's an entire media economy of #FakeNews. And clickbait and ad revenues drive it all, to the benefit of the kooks, not any scientific proof.

Flat Earthers are a perfect test case for this. The writer was shrewd to choose them instead of other examples like climate change.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   12:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Got Delusion?

VxH  posted on  2017-10-11   12:44:22 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: no gnu taxes (#3)

I wish the "time cube" website was still around.

Time is a derivative function of state change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it observed.

Cube that!

VxH  posted on  2017-10-11   12:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: VxH (#5)

You need to start your own YouBoob channel to warn the perspiring masses of the sinister Klingo-Lutheran conspiracy that menaces us all!

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   12:50:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)

You need to start your own YouBoob channel to warn the perspiring masses of the sinister Klingo-Lutheran conspiracy that menaces us all!

Yeah, and one of them fancy gaswhatchamacalits could be used to determine whether the flatulence disturbing the force was taco or burrito originated!

VxH  posted on  2017-10-11   12:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: VxH (#8)

Yeah, and one of them fancy gaswhatchamacalits could be used to determine whether the flatulence disturbing the force was taco or burrito originated!

You really need to share these keen insights with the entire interwebs.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   13:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative, no gnu taxes (#0)

This is a “PsyOp” which requires large funding from intelligence agencies and governments and corporations. It has become a tool of reverse psychology e.g. if you are broad minded enough to know 911 was a false flag; and now just accept Flat Earth theories. When you engage with this Psyop, a paid shill replies from their “Flat Earth Manual” like some cyborg, there is a mass of paid bloggers on CIA pay roll to push this.

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Flat Earth PsyOp is the Real Conspiracy

FLAT EARTH ‘THEORY’ Demonstrates The Alarming Gullibility Of People Everywhere

Flat Earthers SYSTEMatically Used To Disrupt And Undermine Truth Movements Everywhere

The Flat Earthers Are Being Sent Into Every Real Truth Movement To Disrupt And Destroy Them

Flat Earth Theory Fabricated By TPTB To Distract, Divert and Misdirect

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-10-11   13:12:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#10)

The Flat Earthers Are Being Sent Into Every Real Truth Movement To Disrupt And Destroy Them

Oh, Lordy. Where to even start?

Good luck with all that. I'm sure it will work out for you.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   13:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: VxH (#6)

I wish the "time cube" website was still around.

Time is a derivative function of state change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it observed.

Cube that!

Oh good lord.

You sound genuinely offended by anyone who would criticize that bizzaro world website.

What do you mean by "E" anyway?" The number for natural logarithms? Energy? The most used letter in the alphabet?

You should probably just beam back up to the alternate universe you came from.

Or take some some Xanex.

Whichever is easier.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-11   14:54:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deckard, TooConservative (#10)

This is a “PsyOp” which requires large funding from intelligence agencies and governments and corporations.

It has become a tool of reverse psychology e.g. if you are broad minded enough to know 911 was a false flag; and now just accept Flat Earth theories. When you engage with this Psyop, a paid shill replies from their “Flat Earth Manual” like some cyborg, there is a mass of paid bloggers on CIA pay roll to push this.

BINGO.

You spanked that BS disinfo PsyOp around like the pinata it is. 911 is the Harvey Weinstein of goob ops. It's just a matter of time. The Memo must have gone out to it's disinfo specialists and shills o'er the land:

"It's 15 years later and those #@!*#! Troofers still won't let it go. Thus thou art ordered to shield our Mother Of All PsyOps at all costs. We hereby direct you to sell an absurd "Flat Earth" as as plausible "conspiracy" on YouTube. Advancing this nonsense there ought to snag and discredit any and all conspiracy theorists as one and the same."

Continuation of a fine Hitler parody: ("Mein Fuhrer, it is clear our 'Flat Earther CT' did not wash away our fake 'Official Platinum Blue Ribbon 911 Report.' Now they are laughing at our lame 'Flat Earth' diversion.")

Your money quote in a nutshell:

"Reverse psychology e.g. If you are broad minded enough to know 911 was a false flag; and now just accept Flat Earth theories."

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-11   17:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: no gnu taxes (#12)

What do you mean by "E" anyway?"

Got E=mc^2?

VxH  posted on  2017-10-11   17:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#4)

Flat Earthers are a perfect test case for this. The writer was shrewd to choose them instead of other examples like climate change.

Climate change deniers are not in the same category as flat earthers, flat earth defies logic whereas climate change deniel or AGW deniel is logical. Let me put it this way, the ice age ended without man's intervention and the earth continues to warm. No one has explained why this is so, or even bothers to try, it is a given, way back when the Earth warmed, the ice melted, etc, however in this generation we are obsessed with what we think we observe now, which is exactly the same thing

paraclete  posted on  2017-10-11   18:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: VxH (#14)

Even people who have no clue as to what that means have heard the expression.

Your answer would have actually made more sense if you were referring to the constant for natural logarithms.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-12   12:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: no gnu taxes (#16)

Your answer would have actually made more sense if you were referring to the constant for natural logarithms.

My answer makes sense to anyone with a fundamental understanding of Special Relativity.

YLMMV!

(Your Logarithmic Milage May Vary)

VxH  posted on  2017-10-12   13:29:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: VxH (#17)

Yes, i know all about special relativity -- at least basically. I'm just wondering how you think it relates to this timecube kook, unless you are that kook or one of his disciples.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-12   13:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Liberator (#13)

Even leftards with any ability to think ( there aren't may of them) have concluded that Islamics flew planes into the the WTCs.

Maybe they hate Bush. Hell. I used to defend him a lot, but now I am pretty much disgusted with the whole Bush family.

But damn, are they still going to go on about the Kennedy assasination? Bush has been out of Office for more than 8 years. All of The Bush's hate Trump, just like the media and Democrats.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-12   13:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: no gnu taxes (#19)

Even leftards with any ability to think ( there aren't may of them) have concluded that Islamics flew planes into the the WTCs.

As opposed to who else might have flown the planes and exactly how it happened to begin with?

Maybe they hate Bush. Hell. I used to defend him a lot, but now I am pretty much disgusted with the whole Bush family.

Any patriot ought to despise the entire Bush Crime Family.

Yes, most Lefties are going to hate the Bushes, but only because of the (R). Otherwise, stick a (D) in front of his name and they'd have loved him for advancing the (D) and Globalist cause.

All of The Bush's hate Trump, just like the media and Democrats.

That's because Trump is an America-Firster. The Bushes = Same team as the Dems. Only wearing the other teams uniform to mask their true pro-Globalist Firster intentions and agenda.

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-12   14:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: no gnu taxes (#18) (Edited)

how you think it relates to this timecube kook, unless you are that kook or one of his disciples.

It relates to the nature of Time.

State-change always moves FORWARD - which means time travel is bullshyte... and, contrary to Time Cubism, there is only ONE day-state.

Too bad they don't teach actual science to youngsters these days - instead of indoctrinating them with the delusion that they can choose their gender in kindergarten.

VxH  posted on  2017-10-12   14:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: VxH (#21)

State-change always moves FORWARD - which means time travel is bullshyte.

I'm not sure when or how you thought I ever advocated time travel.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-12   14:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: no gnu taxes (#22)

I'm not sure when or how you thought I ever advocated time travel.

SMH.

Cube what?

VxH  posted on  2017-10-12   14:30:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: VxH (#23)

I was making fun of the time cube website, if that missed your observations.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-12   14:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: no gnu taxes (#19)

All of The Bush's hate Trump, just like the media and Democrats.

Gee. I can't imagine why...

Maybe more folks would've clapped if Yeb had better hats?

Nah. Probably NOT.

VxH  posted on  2017-10-12   14:34:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: no gnu taxes (#24)

SMH.

Cube what?

VxH  posted on  2017-10-12   14:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: VxH, no gnu taxes, A K A Stone (#6)

Time is a derivative function of state change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it observed.

Cube that!

A time derivative is a derivative of a function with respect to time, usually interpreted as the rate of change of the value of the function. The variable denoting time is usually written as t. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_derivative

Of course, energy disperses and objects equilibrate, because of the way elementary particles become intertwined when they interact; an effect called quantum entanglement.

For the demonstration of VxH super genius, see the Facebook page for the movie Arrival, or FR comments by HLPhat.

It is somewhat like Three Faces of Yukon. His source of authority is himself, under multiple internet handles.

https://www.facebook.com/ArrivalMovie/

FACEBOOK page of Arrival, the Movie, 2016.

See COMMENT by William Burke.

William Burke SMH. This movie exemplifies why kids these days can't even apply science well enough to understand what sex they are.

Time is a derivative function of state change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

State-change always moves forward.

Despite what FICTION psychotically imagines, there is no time travel and you can't tell the future because (surprise), it hasn't happened yet.

Reality, deal with it.

FAIL.
June 5 at 2:58am

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June 5 at 2:58am
David Bouley

David Bouley All based on what we think we know. But if it makes you more comfortable to live a closed-minded existence, by all means...

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July 14 at 3:18pm
William Burke

William Burke It's science FICTION.

Time is a derivative function of state change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

State-change always moves forward.

July 14 at 3:41pm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/3548338/posts?page=92#92

To: bobby.223

That’s what “time travel” is super genius.

Fictional, government grant funded, Bullshyte.

90 posted on 4/29/2017, 7:13:24 PM by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Hopefully some interesting “math” will fall out of this guy’s work!

String Theory may be a dead end in cosmology but the “math” behind it is finding uses elsewhere, e.g physics of surfaces and other “interfaces”.

91 posted on 4/29/2017, 7:21:49 PM by Reily
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To: Reily

Time is a derivative function of state change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

State change always goes forward.

Grant-funded mathemaconartists can’t change that self-evident fact.

92 posted on 4/29/2017, 7:38:32 PM by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

I’m sorry but the way you stated that makes no sense.

And new mathematical concepts may have use whether they are physically realizable or not.

I am amazed you can judge his work without having read a single paper produced.

Jealous perhaps?

93 posted on 4/29/2017, 8:01:39 PM by Reily
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To: Reily

It make sense just fine to anyone who understands the difference between special relativity and fictional Bullshyte.

94 posted on 4/29/2017, 8:04:48 PM by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

I understand both special & general relativity but am willing to listen to someone tell me something new. I will judge its validity only after that.

95 posted on 4/29/2017, 8:12:28 PM by Reily
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To: Reily

Then you shouldn’t have any trouble understanding that Time a derivative function of state-change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frames in which it is observed.

And that state change always moves forward.

96 posted on 4/29/2017, 8:22:40 PM by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Not the way you state it!

Do you mean this d(Some State)/dt vs E - energy inside the inertial frames is greater then zero when t- time is greater then zero?

97 posted on 4/29/2017, 8:33:57 PM by Reily
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To: Reily

Nope I mean what I said. That T is a function of state-change that progresses relative to E.

Meanwhile, in the space-time of the emperor’s new lavender underwear..

“Most of the published paper is about picking holes in it. so, if anything, the paper says time machines are less possible than ever.”

What does this mean?

98 posted on 4/29/2017, 8:39:47 PM by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

I’m done talking to you.
You’re purposely being an pass!

99 posted on 4/29/2017, 8:43:23 PM by Reily
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X02WMNoHSm8

Is Time Travel Possible?

fabiano rebeque

Published on Apr 2, 2007

Is time travel possible? Theoretical physicist and 2057 host Michio Kaku explores the possibilities.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-12   16:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: nolu chan, no gnu taxes, A K A Stone (#27)

Yawn.

Please show the class an example where state-change goes any direction other than FORWARD.

We'll wait.

VxH  posted on  2017-10-12   16:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: VxH (#28)

Please show the class an example where state-change goes any direction other than FORWARD.

Please show the class where:

Time is a derivative function of state change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

is anything but a word salad.

Please show that you can render rational thoughts. I'll wait for you to get your multiple personalities together, appeal to yourself as authority, and make believe you are not just spewing.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-12   19:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: nolu chan (#29) (Edited)

Please show the class where:

Time is a derivative function of state change that progresses relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

is anything but a word salad.

Well, let's hear your summary of the properties of Time in the context of Special Relativity then?

Because mine is accurate. :-p

VxH  posted on  2017-10-12   19:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: VxH (#30)

Well, let's hear your summary of the properties of Time in the context of Special Relativity then?

I see you cannot answer any questions, especially those about the sounds recorded by the taxi lady.

Stop trying to dazzle with relativity until you acquire basic computational skills.

Next, I expect you will tell me you were hacked.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-13   21:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: nolu chan (#31)

I see you cannot answer any questions

You see what you want to see.

Good luck with that.

VxH  posted on  2017-10-14   1:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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