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Title: Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI
Published: Oct 11, 2017
Author: Mike Adams TheHealthRanger
Post Date: 2017-10-11 00:40:47 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 48821
Comments: 148

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#2. To: VXH (#0)

Your image is king of vague. We have to trust the math you say you did.

This is much more thorough and understandable.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-10-11   0:44:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#2) (Edited)

This is much more thorough and understandable.

Don't you find it a little odd that he doesn't present any actual data or audio?

The model audio he's describing (without presenting any actual data) fits the scenario where the microphone is adjacent to the target:

[Using Sound of Target Impact for Acoustic Reconstructions of Shooting Events]

http:// www.btgresearch.org/AcousticReconstruction02042012.pdf

"For example, if the microphone is adjacent to the victim (such as a 911 recording might be), the equation for determining the distance becomes: t=tb - ts= d/Vb- d/Vs If the muzzle blast duration obscures the sound of the bullet hitting the target, simple inspection of the sound waveform is insufficient. "

In response to your request regarding this accusation against an LV Police Officer:

 

#4.  To: VxH  (#1 )

You didn't have time to watch the video yet.

Debunk it please.

A K A Stone   posted on  2017-10-08   15:46:17 ET 

Video claims shooter dressed as police

https://libertysflame.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=53025&Disp=78#C78

 

I found/took their formula, built a spreadsheet,  and plugged in 223 balistic data generated via shooterscalculator.com:

Important to note:

* Presently we don't have information regarding specificaly which weapons and amunition were used.  So the ballistic data was generated with a guestimate 223 configuration.

* My DAW (Sonar) doesn't appear to have the capability of capturing a sound spectrogram like the ones the authors of the study produced; but after reading their commentary on the blast noise obscuring impact noise, I filtered the crowd noise, and filtered/looked alternately for the report and then the high energy impact sounds - and I revised T1 and T2 accordingly.

More accurate results could possibly be obtained if the corresponding burst sequence on the Taxi-Driver video is identified and aligned, as the taxi-driver's audio contains only the muzzle blast and echo.  It doesn't have the crowd and impact noise to obscure the muzzle events.

VxH  posted on  2017-10-11   9:26:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: VxH (#19)

Don't you find it a little odd that he doesn't present any actual data or audio?

I don't. He's presenting his numeric analysis which is indeed easy to understand, and playing audio clips would not impress the lay audience. Those who are in a position to verify what he says because they have the raw audio data he's working with can certainly confirm it on their own, if inclined.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   10:09:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite (#24) (Edited)

his numeric analysis

Based on numbers he pulled from where?

playing audio clips would not impress the lay audience.

Playing the audio clips AND showing the associated sonograms would have been possible ASSUMING he's got the expertise and capability he's claiming.

Drawing a model on a whiteboard isn't "proof" of anything. His title "Forensic acoustic proof" is a material misrepresentation of fact - aka FRAUD.

"proof" requires EVIDENCE, ie: DATA.

VxH  posted on  2017-10-11   10:32:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: VxH, TooConservative (#31)

His title "Forensic acoustic proof" is a material misrepresentation of fact - aka FRAUD.

If you two have a personal dislike for Adams, even if very strong, that's perfectly fine and legitimate. But it would be reasonable to add that disclaimer when criticizing specific things he does, such as the video above.

That Google has imposed sanctions against him of whatever sort doesn't impress me, as Google is hardly the standard bearer of all that is right, good and honest.

Adams may be wrong about some things, and probably is as we all are. But personally, I think he's right about a lot of things too.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   11:07:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Pinguinite (#32)

Adams may be wrong about some things, and probably is as we all are. But personally, I think he's right about a lot of things too.

That might just mean that you're gullible.

Remember what P.T. Barnum always said.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   11:11:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Tooconservative (#35)

That might just mean that you're gullible.

Maybe I am. I would say though that the most gullible people are the people who think they are not.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   11:30:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pinguinite (#37)

Maybe I am. I would say though that the most gullible people are the people who think they are not.

I'm not sure exactly how that Bell curve is distributed.

Everyone is gullible about something. But a known grifter and CT peddler is another thing. That's a snake oil salesman.

Notice how Adams switched from his usual baloney and now presents himself as a ballistics expert. And he's mostly just rehashing other CT videos that he found on YouBoob. He even admits it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   11:35:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Tooconservative (#38)

Notice how Adams switched from his usual baloney and now presents himself as a ballistics expert.

My first reaction when I saw the "Health Ranger" chiming in on the LV shooting was, as I pointed out, that he should stick to the field he's known for and not venture out into unrelated fields. It reminded me of G Edward Griffin, author of the book on the Federal Reserve. Seemingly well researched in that area, he apparently also made some public claims about how to fight cancer. Mentioning it to a guy I knew who had cancer issues (who has since died) the response was that Griffin should stick with federal reserve topics.

Still, I gave the video a listen and he does claim to be an avid shooting enthusiast. And apart from my own critique of the assumption that all shots used the same caliber weapon, his presentation does seem authoritative and free of "flat earth" type of argument fallacy.

I prefer to judge arguments people make without regard to the reputation of the person arguing them. Obviously there are limits when someone has already ruined their reputation like so many forum posters have, but still, that's my preference. With Adams, apparently he's already crossed that line with you, but not for me. Which is fine.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   12:10:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Pinguinite (#40) (Edited)

I prefer to judge arguments people make without regard to the reputation of the person arguing them

I prefer to judge their arguments based upon actual data.

Please fill in the params on this balistic calculator with the correct REAL values?

http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi

You can't - and neither can Mr."Healthranger".

Thus, his buzzword and bullshyte "analysis" does not compile into "PROOF" - and his title is misleading, fraudulent, falsely advertised, click bait

VxH  posted on  2017-10-11   12:22:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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