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Title: Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI
Published: Oct 11, 2017
Author: Mike Adams TheHealthRanger
Post Date: 2017-10-11 00:40:47 by A K A Stone
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Views: 50528
Comments: 148

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#4. To: A K A Stone, Nolu Chan (#0)

I've listened to the first 20 mins of it, which seems to be a complete presentation of his case. I like that he's knowledgeable, or at least seems to be, in this field.

But I think there's a flaw in his analysis, and that is that all the math is based on the premise that the second shooter was firing .223 rounds just as Paddock was. Adams even admits early in the video that the distance & shot report tables is different for different types of rounds.

But it's already known that Paddock has 1-2 dozen different firearms in the room. Some were .223, but I think others were of differing calibers. So perhaps Paddock fired .223 rounds some of the time, but also switched to different rifles of higher or lower caliber which would have differing acoustic lag times at the same distance. Has Adams accounted for that possibility?

There is also the speculative nature of matching bullet impact sounds with shot report acoustics. I.e you might hear on a recording 6 shot reports but only 5 bullet impacts, in which case determining which bullet impact sounds match which reports could be speculative, and if you get that wrong then you'll be wrong about the distance of the shooter.

Paddock switching rifles might also account for the differing shot acoustic recordings from the taxi at the base of tho hotel.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   1:26:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite, Aka Stone, Nolu Chan, TooConservative (#4) (Edited)

There is also the speculative nature of matching bullet impact sounds with shot report acoustics

And he doesn't present a single sonogram - which is what the actual experts use to distinguish rifle report from impact sounds.

http:// www.btgresearch.org/AcousticReconstruction02042012.pdf

And yep - we don't know yet which weapons / ammunition were fired in association with the audio events.

Having that knowledge is essential to correctly computing the ballistic data - which include the changes in velocity he's using as "proof".

He's presented no "proof".

VxH  posted on  2017-10-11   9:48:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: VxH (#21) (Edited)

And yep - we don't know yet which weapons / ammunition were fired in association with the audio events.

I think the guesswork that the initial shots were the incendiary rounds fired at the fuel tanks is pretty good.

Then he changed to his main shooting window and used the bump-fire stock guns to open up on the crowd.

He wanted a big fire, possibly to panic (or just distract) the crowd or to draw off first responders. When that didn't work, he moved quickly into massacre mode.

He's presented no "proof".

I'm trying to decide if Stone has upgraded by switching from the Niburu/Planet X kooks to this Natural News kook. I think he has. This is a somewhat higher grade of kookery IMO.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   9:52:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Tooconservative (#22)

He wanted a big fire, possibly to panic (or just distract) the crowd or to draw off first responders. When that didn't work, he moved quickly into massacre mode.

Given the "video game" motive, seeing a big fuel tank explode into flames would be a "cool" thing. But it was nighttime and it was at extremely long range, so he would have been uncertain that his shots were even hitting the tanks. Without any immediate gratification after a few shots, he turned his attention back to people.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   10:16:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pinguinite (#28)

Given the "video game" motive, seeing a big fuel tank explode into flames would be a "cool" thing. But it was nighttime and it was at extremely long range, so he would have been uncertain that his shots were even hitting the tanks. Without any immediate gratification after a few shots, he turned his attention back to people.

No, with a scope, he would have seen when he hit the tanks.

We know that two of these shots did hit the tank, one bullet penetrating and one bouncing off. He undoubtedly was using a scoped rifle and would not have missed a 6' fireball when the bullets hit the tank.

He shot, hit the tank a couple of times, concluded it wasn't going to explode, then moved on to his main target.

That security guard panicked him, ruined his timetable all around.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   11:10:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#36. To: Tooconservative (#33)

No, with a scope, he would have seen when he hit the tanks.

Remember this is, for all intents, a combat situation. Time if of the essence. If the tanks were all he was targeting, then fine, but if his goal is death and mayhem, taking that kind of shooting care costs time, and would be counter productive to his goal. He takes a couple shots. Nothing? Okay forget it, he concludes, and resumes targeting people. I think we agree on that. I hadn't heard he used incendiary rounds on the tanks.

That security guard panicked him, ruined his timetable all around.

I agree on this also. The guard was not part of the plan. Perhaps this guy had everything "over planned" and did not allow for the possibility of anything not going as he expected it to, and once that happened, he couldn't handle it. He was smart enough to do all this meticulous planning, but failed to realize that in an uncontrolled environment, unexpected things can happen during plan execution.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11 11:29:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Tooconservative (#33)

That security guard panicked him, ruined his timetable all around.

Agreed

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-10-12 21:13:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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