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Title: Utah police officer who handcuffed nurse is fired, supervising officer is demoted
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10 ... fired-another-officer-demoted/
Published: Oct 10, 2017
Author: John Sexton
Post Date: 2017-10-10 21:33:17 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 4688
Comments: 43

Detective Jeff Payne, the man who arrested nurse Alex Wubbels at a Salt Lake City hospital after she refused to perform a drug test on an unconscious patient, has been fired. From the Associated Press:
Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown made the decision after an internal investigation found evidence Detective Jeff Payne violated department policies when he arrested nurse Alex Wubbels and dragged her out of the hospital as she screamed on July 26, said Sgt. Brandon Shearer, a spokesman for the department.

Attorney Greg Skordas has said Payne served the department well for nearly three decades and questioned whether his behavior warranted termination. He couldn’t immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.

Payne’s supervisor, Lt. James Tracy, was also demoted to officer. His lawyer, Ed Brass, couldn’t immediately be reached for comment…

“Your lack of judgment and leadership in this matter is unacceptable, and as a result, I no longer believe that you can retain a leadership position in the department,” Brown said.

wrote about this story at the beginning of September and called it a “pretty clear abuse of authority.” It was immediately clear that Det. Payne had no legal justification for dragging Wubbels out of the hospital and handcuffing her. She had clearly explained the hospital policy after talking to a hospital attorney by phone and the person whose blood police wanted to test was unconscious and unable to consent.

When supervisor Lt. Tracy showed up moments later, he defended Det. Payne and condescendingly claimed the problem was that Wubbels didn’t know the law. “If we’re doing wrong, there are civil remedies,” Tracy said. But the findings of two separate investigations concluded that Payne and Tracy were in the wrong, each of them violating department policy in five separate ways.

As Ed noted, the Mayor of Salt Lake City claimed this would have been the result whether or not Wubbels’ attorney had released the body cam video of her arrest. I don’t buy that at all. Frankly, without the video I believe Payne and Tracy would have escaped any serious consequences and maybe even have lied about what happened. This incident is a good example of why all police officers should have body cameras. It protects them and it protects people from them when they abuse their authority.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Excellent. So, Payne lost his job AND his ambulance job, and the arrogant police lieutenant is a lieutenant no more. Now comes the lawsuit, against both of them, it is to be hoped.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-10   21:48:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited)

and the arrogant police lieutenant is a lieutenant no more

Not a supervisor. Just an officer. You have to wonder if he's back in a squad car on patrol.

I'd think they would both just retire because it doesn't seem they have much to gain hanging around.

The bigger issue will be a civil lawsuit but I do expect that the nurse will get a large payout to shut up and go away. She has a young child at home and she could take it and retire to raise the toddler. It would have to be tempting. And she could still sue the two cops even after she dropped the SLCPD as a defendant.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-10   22:05:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#2)

I like even better the option where she does not accept a settlement that silences her, but decides to get MORE money and keep her full rights to speak about it for the rest of life, by suing, and pressing charges (she was falsely arrested). The police department already has fired and demoted these guys. She wins the lawsuit easily. It isn't as though the defense has a pot to piss in, and the jury pool in Salt Lake will not be sympathetic to the police at all. She should not sell herself short and settle. She should conquer. Prosecutors show no mercy when they have the power. Here, she has the power, and she should use it to its fullest extent, use it to extract millions MORE dollars, and be able to publicly deride the criminal cops eavefor the rest of her life. She should not sheathe her sword. Her adversaries are on their knees. She should run them through and leave their broken lives, and the massive economic hit to the police budget, as bloody vengeance. A settlement is not a victory. You settle when the outcome is uncertain. Here, she cannot lose. She should not settle. She should prosecute, sue, and destroy, inflict the maximum damage. The cops showed her no mercy. They lost. She should show them none in reply.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-11   7:44:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

I don't think she's going to sue. She's too good natured for that, being a nurse who takes care of people, and probably understands that the people who would pay her would be the taxpayers, not the people who harmed her. She wanted a correction to be made, and it's been made. She's been fully vindicated in the public eye. Police will no longer have access to hospital staff as they did before, so she's a local hero among medical staff throughout here city & state. The cop that arrested her lost not one job but 2 jobs, and he's probably toxic at this point and would not be hired again anywhere else in the country.

If she were to sue, she'd likely lose some of the adoration she has pocketed for life. I may be wrong, but I would bet she will not sue.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   11:55:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#17)

If she were to sue, she'd likely lose some of the adoration she has pocketed for life.

The recently acquired adoration from strangers she can live without. As for the adoration of friends, co-workers and family? They'll understand her suing. Hell, they're probably encouraging her to sue.

So, I say the whiny bitch will sue for an "undisclosed amount" and f**k the adoration. Can't spend adoration.

She'll sue and you'll justify it.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-11   12:14:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#19)

She'll sue and you'll justify it.

She's already justified in suing. All I said is she probably wouldn't do what she is entitled to do. If she does, I wouldn't fault her for it, especially if she used the money to throw a party for her hospital friends.

You're just pissed because a cop got what he deserved.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   12:26:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pinguinite (#22)

especially if she used the money to throw a party for her hospital friends.

And if she didn't you'd justify that!

"She's already justified in suing."

Because he was rude??? If that was allowed, people would be suing the Chicago Police Department left and right.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-11   12:34:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite (#25)

And if she didn't you'd justify that!

Well, golly gee. Let me spell this out for you so it's very easy to understand.

She can do whatever the hell she wants to do, whether suing or not suing. BOTH are justified.

Do you get it yet?

Because he was rude??? If that was allowed, people would be suing the Chicago Police Department left and right.

If the Chicago police are as "rude" as this Utah cop was then they certainly should sue.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   12:41:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pinguinite (#26)

She can do whatever the hell she wants to do, whether suing or not suing. BOTH are justified.

I never said otherwise. YOU'RE the one telling us she won't. But if she did, she'd use the money for a party. But if she didn't ... blah, blah, blah.

You're a funny person.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-11   13:22:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: misterwhite (#27)

I never said otherwise. YOU'RE the one telling us she won't. But if she did, she'd use the money for a party. But if she didn't ... blah, blah, blah.

hehehe..... yes, and you are the one taking issue with me about what I said as though I'm committing a crime.

You're a funny person.

Well, I try to be entertaining, so thanks.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-11   13:27:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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