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From the Associated Press: Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown made the decision after an internal investigation found evidence Detective Jeff Payne violated department policies when he arrested nurse Alex Wubbels and dragged her out of the hospital as she screamed on July 26, said Sgt. Brandon Shearer, a spokesman for the department. Attorney Greg Skordas has said Payne served the department well for nearly three decades and questioned whether his behavior warranted termination. He couldn’t immediately be reached for comment Tuesday. Payne’s supervisor, Lt. James Tracy, was also demoted to officer. His lawyer, Ed Brass, couldn’t immediately be reached for comment… “Your lack of judgment and leadership in this matter is unacceptable, and as a result, I no longer believe that you can retain a leadership position in the department,” Brown said. I wrote about this story at the beginning of September and called it a “pretty clear abuse of authority.” It was immediately clear that Det. Payne had no legal justification for dragging Wubbels out of the hospital and handcuffing her. She had clearly explained the hospital policy after talking to a hospital attorney by phone and the person whose blood police wanted to test was unconscious and unable to consent. When supervisor Lt. Tracy showed up moments later, he defended Det. Payne and condescendingly claimed the problem was that Wubbels didn’t know the law. “If we’re doing wrong, there are civil remedies,” Tracy said. But the findings of two separate investigations concluded that Payne and Tracy were in the wrong, each of them violating department policy in five separate ways. As Ed noted, the Mayor of Salt Lake City claimed this would have been the result whether or not Wubbels’ attorney had released the body cam video of her arrest. I don’t buy that at all. Frankly, without the video I believe Payne and Tracy would have escaped any serious consequences and maybe even have lied about what happened. This incident is a good example of why all police officers should have body cameras. It protects them and it protects people from them when they abuse their authority. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 24. #12. To: Tooconservative (#0) (Edited) "... each of them violating department policy in five separate ways." Five? Must be bad. Let me guess. He wasn't authorized to draw blood? He broke the law? He was out of his jurisdiction? He had no legal grounds to be in the hospital? He refused to honor hospital policy? He violated the agreement between the department and the hospital? Naaah. "The Salt Lake Tribune through a public records request, found both officers violated five policies: conduct unbecoming of an officer; courtesy in public contacts; a policy that states misdemeanor citations should be used instead of arrest ”whenever possible”; violation of the department’s law enforcement code of ethics; and a city-mandated standards of conduct policy." Bottom line? Under public pressure, he was thrown under the bus and fired for being rude -- after 30 years of service. That's it boys and girls. Nothing beyond that. They're doing him a favor. Who would want to work for a department like that? misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-11   10:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: misterwhite (#12) They're doing him a favor. Who would want to work for a department like that? I doubt that he thinks they were "doing him a favor". LOL Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   11:13:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Tooconservative (#13) I doubt that he thinks they were "doing him a favor". LOL Never been fired from a job where you look back years later and conclude it was actually a good thing? He will. Dumb-ass, chickenshit department which has to invent a bunch of Mickey-Mouse "charges" against a 30-year veteran police officer with a clean record just to satisfy a group of whiny, territorial pussies who make up their own rules. He was fired for NONE of your speculative reasons. No laws were violated. Oh, had it been that easy and clear cut. But it wasn't. They really had to dig deep to find something. misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-11   11:40:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: misterwhite (#14) He was fired for NONE of your speculative reasons. No laws were violated. Oh, had it been that easy and clear cut. But it wasn't. They really had to dig deep to find something. They are considering whether he might try to sue them. By firing him on these grounds, he has little chance to sue. Packs of lawyers are involved. They're unlikely to miss a liability trick. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   11:44:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Tooconservative (#15) "By firing him on these grounds, he has little chance to sue." These grounds? There are other grounds? Two investigative agencies had to work day and night for weeks to come up with these five pissant charges. Are you saying they're intentionally sitting on some huge legal charges just to stay out of court? With no proof, of course. But I guess you have to say that. Otherwise, you'd have to admit that all your speculation was in vain. You were wrong. Worse, you were "NBC wrong".* *My new phrase for really, really wrong based on nothing. misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-11   12:05:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: misterwhite (#18) (Edited) These grounds? There are other grounds? For one thing, they didn't prosecute Detective Phleborapist for false arrest and similar charges. And they clearly could have. But I guess you have to say that. Otherwise, you'd have to admit that all your speculation was in vain. This new Whiny Bitch persona really isn't working for you. You lost. Get over it. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   12:16:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Tooconservative (#21) (Edited) Detective Phleborapist *chuckle* " they didn't prosecute ... for false arrest and similar charges" Never occurred to you they couldn't because there wasn't? She was interfering. She needed to be removed from the area. Can't do that with a mere citation. She needed to be "arrested" to be removed. Later, she was freed and not even charged for obstruction. If he was wrong to arrest her, that's a no-brainer to charge him with that. Plus, there's video! Look! Screams and everything! But he wasn't wrong and they couldn't charge him. misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-11   12:30:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 24.         There are no replies to Comment # 24. End Trace Mode for Comment # 24. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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