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Title: The latest on Las Vegas mass shooting [timeline change]
Source: ABC News
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/latest-las ... ass-shooting/story?id=50367905
Published: Oct 10, 2017
Author: M.L. Nestel
Post Date: 2017-10-10 02:49:51 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 2930
Comments: 20

The latest on Las Vegas mass shooting

By M.L. NESTEL
ABC News
Oct 9, 2017, 6:55 PM ET

[Video at link]

It has been a week since Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old retired accountant and high-stakes video poker player, unloaded on 22,000 country music fans from his 32nd-floor suite in Las Vegas’ Mandalay Bay Resort moored on the city’s Sunset Strip, killing 58 people and wounding hundreds before fatally shooting himself in the head.

Here are some of the latest details:

Security guard shot before concert shooting began

On Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo announced a change to the sequence of events that occurred on Oct. 1, saying a security guard who encountered Paddock was actually shot at 9:59 p.m. local time, minutes before the 64-year-old unleashed a hail of gunfire on unsuspecting concertgoers.

Previously, authorities had said that the security guard, Jesus Campos, was shot after Paddock had opened fire on the crowd below.

Lombardo said Campos immediately reported to hotel security that he had been shot. However, responding officers did not know Campos had been shot until they arrived on the 32nd floor and encountered him, Lombardo said.

It's unclear what ultimately led Paddock to stop shooting at the people below. Officials had originally thought that Campos distracted him.

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#5. To: nolu chan (#0)

On Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo announced a change to the sequence of events that occurred on Oct. 1, saying a security guard who encountered Paddock was actually shot at 9:59 p.m. local time, minutes before the 64-year-old unleashed a hail of gunfire on unsuspecting concertgoers.

And it only took them a week to discover this fact and announce it.

Apparently the Keystone Kops are running the sheriff's office in Vegas.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-10   8:49:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#5)

And it only took them a week to discover this fact and announce it.

Apparently the Keystone Kops are running the sheriff's office in Vegas.

Mandalay Bay has all that data NOT the Sheriff. After the data is fully collected, it must go through further analysis and verification.

A week seems about right to get the FACTS straight.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-10   9:11:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo, Tooconservative (#6)

Mandalay Bay has all that data NOT the Sheriff.

Bullshit. The FBI took it all the first day.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   13:52:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan (#8)

Bullshit. The FBI took it all the first day.

You know this how? You make it sound like they're just using some old tape system from the Eighties. That seems unlikely.

These big hotels probably have servers of their own for their security system and would also likely use a cloud backup like Amazon for their system.

I doubt very much if the FBI seized and hauled away their servers. Or that they didn't have a continuous off-site backup of their system. This is good legal strategy for them all around, for instance in anything involving their liability with customers or helping to track undesirables on the premises (prostitutes, burglars, etc.).

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-10   15:37:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#14)

You know this how?

I read it, don't recall where, but it is SOP. When the FBI (or any Fed agency) moves in, they grab all they can. The general idea is that they have the resources to process all that evidence in a timely manner, and the locals do not.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   18:41:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nolu chan (#16)

I read it, don't recall where, but it is SOP. When the FBI (or any Fed agency) moves in, they grab all they can.

Certainly, TV crime dramas constantly push that line. In real life, it doesn't necessarily work that way.

There are crimes that do automatically federalize an investigation. Those elements are missing here. There were no conspirators evident or suspected, all the preparations for the crime were conducted legally, state lines or national borders were not crossed to conduct the crime, there was no political agenda or credible claim by a terrorist group, etc.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-10   20:38:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#18)

There are crimes that do automatically federalize an investigation. Those elements are missing here.

There are 59 dead and hundreds injured. Three dead would be a mass killing.

The authorization for the FBI for mass killings (3 or more in a single incident) is at 28 U.S.C. 530C(b)(1)(M). The FBI can also respond to active shooter incidents, which was also present in Las Vegas. Unless the locals are prepared to handle 59 dead and 489 injured in a single event, they invite the Feds in. Unless the evidence is given to the feds, the state must process it. They do not have the resources available. Consider interviewing 489 victims, collecting and processing 800 rounds, dozens of guns, etc. Look at any of the pictures of people at the music venue collecting stuff. It is a bunch of FBI agents. Chain of custody paperwork would take the LVPD forever.

https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-28/part-ii/chapter-31/sec.-530c/

28 U.S.C. 530C(b)(1)

(M)(i) At the request of an appropriate law enforcement official of a State or political subdivision, the Attorney General may assist in the investigation of violent acts and shootings occurring in a place of public use and in the investigation of mass killings and attempted mass killings. Any assistance provided under this subparagraph shall be presumed to be within the scope of Federal office or employment.

(i) For purposes of this subparagraph—

(I) the term "mass killings" means 3 or more killings in a single incident; and

(II) the term "place of public use" has the meaning given that term under section 2332f(e)(6) of title 18, United States Code.

See the "Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012" for the source of the codified statute provision. It followed Sandy Hook.

It leads to stories like this:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-searching-nevada-house-las-vegas-gunman/story?id=50358660

FBI searching Nevada house of Las Vegas gunman

By Kenneth Moton and James Hill
ABC News
Oct 8, 2017, 5:48 PM ET

The FBI was at the Mesquite, Nevada, home of Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock today, executing a new search after interviewing Paddock's girlfriend, the local police chief told ABC News.

Mesquite Police Chief Troy Tanner said the FBI contacted the Mesquite PD for assistance in executing the new federal search warrant on the house where Paddock lived with his girlfriend, Marilou Danley.

Tanner said he was told the FBI wanted to take another pass at searching the house after they interviewed Danley, and they were there this afternoon, conducting searches and photographing and processing evidence.

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The FBI is out executing federal search warrants, collecting and processing evidence.

I did not say the investigation was federalized. I said the FBI took the evidence. They took it for processing. They are processing evidence at Quantico.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-11   5:50:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: nolu chan (#19) (Edited)

It seems you're right.

It's probably just as well. Nevada is a notoriously corrupt state. That Clark County sheriff is a prime example of the kind of cops they have there.

The sheriff or local prosecutor did still have to request the FBI.

It seems that the purpose of the statute you quoted was to regulate FBI help to various jurisdictions. Namely, the FBI can't refuse to help if requested in any shooting of 3 or more victims.

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