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Title: The latest on Las Vegas mass shooting [timeline change]
Source: ABC News
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/latest-las ... ass-shooting/story?id=50367905
Published: Oct 10, 2017
Author: M.L. Nestel
Post Date: 2017-10-10 02:49:51 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 214
Comments: 20

The latest on Las Vegas mass shooting

By M.L. NESTEL
ABC News
Oct 9, 2017, 6:55 PM ET

[Video at link]

It has been a week since Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old retired accountant and high-stakes video poker player, unloaded on 22,000 country music fans from his 32nd-floor suite in Las Vegas’ Mandalay Bay Resort moored on the city’s Sunset Strip, killing 58 people and wounding hundreds before fatally shooting himself in the head.

Here are some of the latest details:

Security guard shot before concert shooting began

On Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo announced a change to the sequence of events that occurred on Oct. 1, saying a security guard who encountered Paddock was actually shot at 9:59 p.m. local time, minutes before the 64-year-old unleashed a hail of gunfire on unsuspecting concertgoers.

Previously, authorities had said that the security guard, Jesus Campos, was shot after Paddock had opened fire on the crowd below.

Lombardo said Campos immediately reported to hotel security that he had been shot. However, responding officers did not know Campos had been shot until they arrived on the 32nd floor and encountered him, Lombardo said.

It's unclear what ultimately led Paddock to stop shooting at the people below. Officials had originally thought that Campos distracted him.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Campos immediately reported to hotel security that he had been shot. However, responding officers did not know Campos had been shot until they arrived on the 32nd floor ....

Hmmm... hotel security just left him laying there for about 20 mins and didn't tell the cops. Did hotel security tell the cops to go to that floor and forget they had a man down on that floor?

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   2:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-09/vegas-massacre-narrative-changes-gunman-shot-security-guard-opening-fire-crowd

Vegas Massacre Story Changes: Gunman Shot Security Guard Before Opening Fire On Crowd

by Tyler Durden
Oct 9, 2017 9:45 PM

In a dramatic shift to the original Las Vegas shooting narrative, over a week after Stephen Paddock rained down bullets on a crowd and killed 58 people, late on Monday Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo drastically changed the timeline of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, and now the gunman allegedly opened fire on a security guard six minutes before he unleashed the massacre. Officials had previously claimed that Paddock, 64, shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos only after Paddock had started shooting at the Route 91 Harvest country-music festival from his 32nd-floor hotel suite on Oct. 1.

The revision to the story also undermines the story surrounding the end of the shooting: officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault by turning the gunman's attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room. However, with the revelation that Campos was shot before his mass shooting, officials now admit they don’t know why he stopped his attack.

As part of the new "story", officials said that police officers who rushed to the hotel room when the shooting began didn't know a hotel security guard had been shot "until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator," Lombardo said.

The security guard, Jesus Campos, was struck in the leg as the gunman, from behind his door, shot into the hallway on the 32nd floor. Paddock apparently detected Campos via surveillance cameras he set up outside his hotel suite, police have said.

Paddock shot the guard at 9:59 p.m. local time, Lombardo said, shortly before raining down bullets on the Route 91 Harvest festival in an attack that began at 10:05 p.m. and lasted 10 minutes. Police officers found Campos when they arrived on the floor.

And since it is not Campos who summoned the police, it is once again unclear what event catalyze the end of the mass shooting.

Lombardo also disclosed that Paddock was seen on numerous occasions in Las Vegas without any person accompanying him and he gambled the night before the shooting. “This individual purposely hid his actions leading up to this event, and it is difficult for us to find the answers,” said Lombardo, who said he was frustrated with the speed of the investigation.

“In coordination with the FBI’s behavioral analysis unit, a comprehensive picture is being drawn as to the suspect’s mental state and currently we do not believe there is one particular event in the suspect’s life for us to key on,” Lombardo said.

Meanwhile, Sheriff Lombardo refuted something he himself insinuated last week, when he said that there is no indication anyone other than Paddock fired on the crowd: "We have uncovered no evidence to show there was a second shooter."

Now, as part of the new narrative, Lombardo said it was unclear why Paddock stopped firing at the crowd, suggesting he may have initially planned to escape. As we reported last week, Paddock also shot at jet fuel tanks at McCarran International Airport and had protective gear in the hotel suite and explosives in his parked car.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   3:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#0)

Lombardo said Campos immediately reported to hotel security that he had been shot. However, responding officers did not know Campos had been shot until they arrived on the 32nd floor and encountered him, Lombardo said.

This Press Conference is just so last Friday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIAuvpdRTc&feature=youtu.be

Friday Press Conference on 1 October Shooting Incident

Las Vegas Metropolitan Police
Published on Oct 6, 2017

LVMPD Undersheriff Kevin McMahill with the latest information on the 1 October mass shooting incident.

Most of you also now know the name of the Mandalay Bay security guard, who you’ve all named in the media, and I’ll just reaffirm to you that Jesus Campos is a true hero. I can tell you now just a little bit more that I know about what he did that particular day. We now know that he was dispatched to what they call a door alarm on the 32nd floor. He went up there to investigate the open door and as he was doing his job diligently, he came under fire by our suspect.

As you know, he was struck in the leg. He turned around and retreated. He notified his dispatch, which was absolutely critical to us knowing the location, as well as advising the responding officers as they arrived on that 32nd floor. I can tell you that this was a remarkable effort by a brave and remarkable man. I want to say today that I don’t think we’ve done a good enough job recognizing him and his actions, and for that I apologize. I just want to take the moment and clear the record that he’s an absolute hero.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   3:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nolu chan (#1)

If the hotel security guard was shot 6 minutes BEFORE the rampage upon the concert audience, that means there was ample time to send in more security folks to investigate the problem and potentially avoid the further issues altogether.

I wonder what happened to the 6 minutes in Mandalay Bay. Doughnut break tyme?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-10   8:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nolu chan (#0)

On Monday, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo announced a change to the sequence of events that occurred on Oct. 1, saying a security guard who encountered Paddock was actually shot at 9:59 p.m. local time, minutes before the 64-year-old unleashed a hail of gunfire on unsuspecting concertgoers.

And it only took them a week to discover this fact and announce it.

Apparently the Keystone Kops are running the sheriff's office in Vegas.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-10   8:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#5)

And it only took them a week to discover this fact and announce it.

Apparently the Keystone Kops are running the sheriff's office in Vegas.

Mandalay Bay has all that data NOT the Sheriff. After the data is fully collected, it must go through further analysis and verification.

A week seems about right to get the FACTS straight.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-10   9:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#5)

Apparently the Keystone Kops are running the sheriff's office in Vegas.

Nah, the FBI. Notice the previous b.s. story came from the undersheriff. He was a good little boy who said what the FBI wanted him to say.

This was the return of the sheriff, the guy who had opined that Paddock must have had help at some point. He looked like he wanted to say more, but choking back information he had been told not to reveal.

This revelation implies there is no video of the hallway, or they took five days to look at the video of the hallway.

As the security guard no is longer responsible for the cops arrival at the 32nd floor, they went there because REASONS.

The security guard called control and said he is shot and they just let him lie there. Security control does not even inform the cops they have a security guard shot.

And then the cops took an hour to breach the door.

The one thing they are fairly certain of is that it was a lone nut, unassisted by anybody.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   13:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo, Tooconservative (#6)

Mandalay Bay has all that data NOT the Sheriff.

Bullshit. The FBI took it all the first day.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   13:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#4)

Doughnut break tyme?

That was the hour they took to breach the door after getting to the 32nd floor.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   13:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#8)

The security guard was shot @9:59PM. The madman took 6 minutes from there to perpetrate his evil upon otherwise helpless, innocent people. Where was the support in that 6 minutes to possibly prevent further bloodshed.

Good question, nolu. I am glad you asked. There is no immediate answer but I can wager that Mandalay Bay will be sued to the point of non-existence in the near future.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-10   15:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan (#7) (Edited)

The security guard called control and said he is shot and they just let him lie there. Security control does not even inform the cops they have a security guard shot.

I recall reporting the first days after the shooting that the guard had gone up and down the hallway on that floor, knocking and trying to get people out. I never read how many he got to evacuate though.

Given how long it took the cops to get there, you have to wonder why the guard didn't get on the elevator and go downstairs to get medical help.

And are you suggesting that security control at the hotel was complicit? If they didn't tell the cops, that is their own fault.

And then the cops took an hour to breach the door. The one thing they are fairly certain of is that it was a lone nut, unassisted by anybody.

I think you're verging into CT territory here.

By the time the cops got there, there was already a considerable amount of auto gunfire coming out of that room and they knew it. They also had no idea whether someone with full-auto weapons would boobytrap the room, whether the perp was even still in the room.

So to be safe, they used explosives, apparently to blow open the double-doors to the suite (the room used to shoot at the fuel tanks also had a door into the hallway, on the right side of the hallway as you walk to the double doors to the suite.

A portion of that hour was probably used waiting for the explosives to arrive, likely from a SWAT team or even a bomb disposal unit. Surely you don't imagine that cops in LV actually carry explosives on them at all times. So when they call for explosives to blow the doors open, how long does it take for those to arrive? A half-hour?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-10   15:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#11)

wonder why the guard didn't get on the elevator

My understanding is there was concern regarding first responders being trapped in the elevators - should those elevators be disabled by an explosion or whatever. That's supposedly why they took the stairs.

Maybe the guard had similar reasoning. Couldn't very well walk down the stairs with his injury. Also maybe his continued presence inhibited Paddock's movement somewhat.

VxH  posted on  2017-10-10   15:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: VxH (#12)

Maybe the guard had similar reasoning. Couldn't very well walk down the stairs with his injury.

Well, the guard had just used the elevator to come check the door alarm on another room so surely he could have used it to go back down. This was before the auto-fire started after all. Those elevators are not easy to open and sabotage.

I did edit and add a bit more on the hour delay for the cops to enter the room in my previous post. You might glance through it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-10   15:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan (#8)

Bullshit. The FBI took it all the first day.

You know this how? You make it sound like they're just using some old tape system from the Eighties. That seems unlikely.

These big hotels probably have servers of their own for their security system and would also likely use a cloud backup like Amazon for their system.

I doubt very much if the FBI seized and hauled away their servers. Or that they didn't have a continuous off-site backup of their system. This is good legal strategy for them all around, for instance in anything involving their liability with customers or helping to track undesirables on the premises (prostitutes, burglars, etc.).

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-10   15:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative, Officer Safety cowards, LVPD (#11)

So to be safe, they used explosives

Not safe at all, people continued to get killed and wounded and they knew it was happening!

Their job is to take a bullet or get blown up if necessary, to protect We The People, and the cowardly LVPD failed miserably. They could have stopped it, but "Officer Safety" was their #1 priority, not doing their job.

They should fire the whole police department, and replace it with Jesus Campos!

hondo68  posted on  2017-10-10   18:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#14)

You know this how?

I read it, don't recall where, but it is SOP. When the FBI (or any Fed agency) moves in, they grab all they can. The general idea is that they have the resources to process all that evidence in a timely manner, and the locals do not.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   18:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#14)

I doubt very much if the FBI seized and hauled away their servers.

I doubt very much that is necessary.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   18:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nolu chan (#16)

I read it, don't recall where, but it is SOP. When the FBI (or any Fed agency) moves in, they grab all they can.

Certainly, TV crime dramas constantly push that line. In real life, it doesn't necessarily work that way.

There are crimes that do automatically federalize an investigation. Those elements are missing here. There were no conspirators evident or suspected, all the preparations for the crime were conducted legally, state lines or national borders were not crossed to conduct the crime, there was no political agenda or credible claim by a terrorist group, etc.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-10   20:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#18)

There are crimes that do automatically federalize an investigation. Those elements are missing here.

There are 59 dead and hundreds injured. Three dead would be a mass killing.

The authorization for the FBI for mass killings (3 or more in a single incident) is at 28 U.S.C. 530C(b)(1)(M). The FBI can also respond to active shooter incidents, which was also present in Las Vegas. Unless the locals are prepared to handle 59 dead and 489 injured in a single event, they invite the Feds in. Unless the evidence is given to the feds, the state must process it. They do not have the resources available. Consider interviewing 489 victims, collecting and processing 800 rounds, dozens of guns, etc. Look at any of the pictures of people at the music venue collecting stuff. It is a bunch of FBI agents. Chain of custody paperwork would take the LVPD forever.

https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-28/part-ii/chapter-31/sec.-530c/

28 U.S.C. 530C(b)(1)

(M)(i) At the request of an appropriate law enforcement official of a State or political subdivision, the Attorney General may assist in the investigation of violent acts and shootings occurring in a place of public use and in the investigation of mass killings and attempted mass killings. Any assistance provided under this subparagraph shall be presumed to be within the scope of Federal office or employment.

(i) For purposes of this subparagraph—

(I) the term "mass killings" means 3 or more killings in a single incident; and

(II) the term "place of public use" has the meaning given that term under section 2332f(e)(6) of title 18, United States Code.

See the "Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012" for the source of the codified statute provision. It followed Sandy Hook.

It leads to stories like this:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-searching-nevada-house-las-vegas-gunman/story?id=50358660

FBI searching Nevada house of Las Vegas gunman

By Kenneth Moton and James Hill
ABC News
Oct 8, 2017, 5:48 PM ET

The FBI was at the Mesquite, Nevada, home of Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock today, executing a new search after interviewing Paddock's girlfriend, the local police chief told ABC News.

Mesquite Police Chief Troy Tanner said the FBI contacted the Mesquite PD for assistance in executing the new federal search warrant on the house where Paddock lived with his girlfriend, Marilou Danley.

Tanner said he was told the FBI wanted to take another pass at searching the house after they interviewed Danley, and they were there this afternoon, conducting searches and photographing and processing evidence.

[snip]

The FBI is out executing federal search warrants, collecting and processing evidence.

I did not say the investigation was federalized. I said the FBI took the evidence. They took it for processing. They are processing evidence at Quantico.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-11   5:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: nolu chan (#19) (Edited)

It seems you're right.

It's probably just as well. Nevada is a notoriously corrupt state. That Clark County sheriff is a prime example of the kind of cops they have there.

The sheriff or local prosecutor did still have to request the FBI.

It seems that the purpose of the statute you quoted was to regulate FBI help to various jurisdictions. Namely, the FBI can't refuse to help if requested in any shooting of 3 or more victims.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-11   8:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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