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Title: Jerry Jones: Cowboys will bench any player who 'disrespects' flag
Source: ESPN
URL Source: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/ ... s-player-disrespects-flag-play
Published: Oct 9, 2017
Author: Todd Archer
Post Date: 2017-10-09 01:47:42 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 386
Comments: 52

Jerry Jones: Cowboys will bench any player who 'disrespects' flag

Todd Archer
ESPN Staff Writer
October 9, 2017, 11:52 PM CT

ARLINGTON, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said emphatically that his players will stand for the national anthem and not disrespect the flag, and if they do, the player or players will not play.

"If there's anything that is disrespectful to the flag, then we will not play," Jones said after the Cowboys' 35-31 loss to the Green Bay Packers. "Understand? We will not ... if we are disrespecting the flag, then we will not play. Period."

The topic was raised after Vice President Mike Pence left Sunday's game between the Indianapolis Colts and San Francisco 49ers after more than 20 Niners knelt during the national anthem with their hands over their hearts, as was the case the previous week.

Pence tweeted a statement in which he said he would not dignify any event that disrespects soldiers, the flag or the anthem.

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#1. To: All (#0)

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-ross-anthem-20171008-story.html

Dolphins owner Steve Ross now wants players to stand for anthem, coach Adam Gase makes it a rule

Chris Perkins
Sun Sentinel
October 8, 2017 8:25 p.m., Miama Gardens

Miami Dolphins owner Steve Ross, who had three players — wide receiver Kenny Stills, safety Michael Thomas and tight end Julius Thomas — kneel during the national anthem prior to last week’s game said Sunday he wished they would stand for the anthem. The trio ended up standing in the tunnel during the anthem and running onto the field afterward.

Coach Adam Gase implemented a policy Sunday requiring players to stand for the national anthem. Those who don’t wish to stand must stay in the locker room or in the tunnel.

Ross, who spoke about 90 minutes before the Dolphins’ 16-10 victory over Tennessee and the national anthem, said President Donald Trump has changed the focus of anthem conversation from social injustice issues to patriotism, so it’s better now for the players to stand.

“He’s changed that whole paradigm of what protest is,” Ross during his CommUnity Tailgate gathering at Hard Rock Stadium before Sunday’s home opener against Tennessee.

“And I think it’s incumbent upon the players today, because of how the public is looking at it, to really stand and really salute the flag.”

[...]

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-09   2:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nolu chan (#1)

Greetings Mr. Nolu

I agree with Jerry Jones (and our president) 100%. If anyone doesn't like our country I think they should be deported to Iraq and see if they like it better over there.

interpreter  posted on  2017-10-09   4:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: nolu chan (#0)

The topic was raised after Vice President Mike Pence left Sunday's game between the Indianapolis Colts and San Francisco 49ers after more than 20 Niners knelt during the national anthem with their hands over their hearts, as was the case the previous week.

What a bunch of chickenshittery. They want to patriotically protest during the anthem.

ARLINGTON, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said emphatically that his players will stand for the national anthem and not disrespect the flag, and if they do, the player or players will not play. "If there's anything that is disrespectful to the flag, then we will not play," Jones said after the Cowboys' 35-31 loss to the Green Bay Packers. "Understand? We will not ... if we are disrespecting the flag, then we will not play. Period."

Jones makes it sound like they'll forfeit the game outright, that no one will play.

Jones is another creep. He encouraged his players to do this by kneeling before the anthem, then standing for the anthem. It was still political protest during the time set aside for the anthem and it made the protest the focus, not respecting the anthem. Screw Jones.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-09   5:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nolu chan (#1)

The trio ended up standing in the tunnel during the anthem and running onto the field afterward.

Coach Adam Gase implemented a policy Sunday requiring players to stand for the national anthem. Those who don’t wish to stand must stay in the locker room or in the tunnel.

Oh, good. Now we have to have TV coverage of where the players are hiding from the anthem and that can be the focus of playing the anthem. It's like playing Where's Elmo with the national anthem.

It's all disrespectful to the anthem and deliberately so.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-09   5:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nolu chan (#1) (Edited)

Did you see the Dolphins line coach in this new video where he's doing lines of cocaine?

He says, "I miss you. I miss you a lot. What do you think, crazy? No, babe. It's gonna be awhile before we can do this again, 'cuz I know you're gonna keep that baby. But I think about you when I do it. I think about how much I miss you. How high we get together, how much fun it was. So much fun."

So he knocked up some crack whore and he wants her to keep the baby? And then later after the baby is born, they can do coke together again?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-09   5:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan (#0)

I'm thinking the NFL should relocate to Zimbabwe and become the ZFL.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-09   9:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nolu chan (#0)

In a twist on Game of Thrones, the players will UN-bend the knee, or be roasted by the dragonfire of an angry fandom.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-09   9:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All, nolu chan, Pinguinite (#5)

DailyWire: Miami Dolphins Coach Resigns After Drug-Snorting Video Goes Viral

Prior to his year with the Dolphins, Foerster was employed by the San Francisco 49ers. ESPN reports that Foerster "was one of the highest-paid assistant coaches in the NFL, at a salary valued between $2.5 million and $3 million a year."

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-09   15:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#8)

Man..... 2017. The year the NFL wish never existed. hehe.

They'd have been better off if they decided to just cancel the whole damn season.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-09   16:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#9)

It gets even better. ESPN's Crazy Bitch went insane again today.

DailyWire: ESPN Suspends Host Jemele Hill Over Tweets Calling For A Boycott Of NFL Sponsors

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-09   17:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tooconservative (#3)

Jones makes it sound like they'll forfeit the game outright, that no one will play.

I do not think it is a message to the players but to Roger Goodell. It you do not act, you will be explaining an NFL without a Cowboys game. The players will get a message, but the commissioner moreso.

Covering the anthem proceedings with commercials to remove the crap from viewers at home is not going to work.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-09   20:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#4)

Now we have to have TV coverage of where the players are hiding from the anthem

No, all you get now are commercials.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-09   20:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative (#5)

Did you see the Dolphins line coach in this new video where he's doing lines of cocaine?

If only he had done it during the anthem as a show of unity.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-09   20:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

In a twist on Game of Thrones, the players will UN-bend the knee, or be roasted by the dragonfire of an angry fandom.

Yes, winter is coming. A long winter.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-09   20:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative, Pinguinite (#10)

It gets even better. ESPN's Crazy Bitch went insane again today.

Crazy bitch got suspended this time. Who did she think pays for the commercials on ESPN?

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-09   20:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nolu chan (#15)

We've got protests from both whites and blacks over this. I'm not sure what the middle ground is.

Maybe they could coax Hispanics to watch this instead of soccer by playing the Mexican national anthem before each game.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-09   20:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: no gnu taxes (#16)

We've got protests from both whites and blacks over this. I'm not sure what the middle ground is.

The in-vogue message this year seems to be: If you're not protesting something your part of the problem.

Even VP Pence did some protesting yesterday!

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-09   21:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#11)

Recalling Jerry took a knee at some else's stadium, I went a checked. The Cowboys have a bye this week. The following week, if he wants to forfeit a game and blame the other team's players, the Cowboys are at the 49ers.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-09   22:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: nolu chan (#18)

He'll probably just bench a few players, not forfeit. That would be too radical even if it sounded like he was saying that.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-09   22:47:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: nolu chan (#12)

No, all you get now are commercials.

That's been an annoyance for quite some time.

A team scores.

5 minutes of commercials.

They kick off.

5 more minutes of commercials.

3 and out and a punt.

5 more minutes of commercials.

Over and over again.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-09   23:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: no gnu taxes (#20)

That's been an annoyance for quite some time.

Plus, to keep the games under 4 hours, they changed the rules so the game clock kept running at times where it used to stop. There are more and more commercials, and a whole lot less football.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-09   23:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: no gnu taxes (#16)

We've got protests from both whites and blacks over this. I'm not sure what the middle ground is.

The middle ground is where the majority wants it to be. The Blacks must lose this one. It is imperative that we restore democracy in this country, and to do that, the majority needs a huge symbolic victory. This is the best battleground for a fight since Gettysburg. This is the place to make the stand. All of the money and all of the numbers and all of the decency are on one side. On the other side you have millionaire punks and screaming histrionic radicals used to getting their way by those tactics.

It is imperative that those tactics fail in the most spectacular way, and that the majority forces the angry minority to UN-bend the knee, stand up and politely respect the will of the majority on the anthem, or get the fuck out of that profession completely and be replaced by people who will.

There can be no backing down this time. Football - the preservation of the sport and the NFL - are less important than winning the battle over the anthem. But those billions are VERY important to billionaire owners and millionaire players.

It is therefore, imperative to use this moment, when THEIR money is on the line, to force them to kneel before the will of the people and be publicly forced to back down completely, to stand for the anthem - every last goddamned one of them - against their will and everybody knowing it. Their own economic self-interest will drive them to it - on pain of the destruction, by the people, of professional football.

It is IMPERATIVE that the people not back down an inch.

What is at stake here is who is to be master. The majority has the minority in the weakest position ever, because the minority is wrong on this, is offensive, and has all of the money to lose. There is no victory in this for the minority, and they have to have their noses rubbed in their defeat in public, forced to stand up and shut up and pay respect to that which is more powerful than they are.

This needs to be an object lesson in mob rule. The mob needs to win this time. It's important.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-10   6:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Vicomte13 (#22)

It is imperative that those tactics fail in the most spectacular way, and that the majority forces the angry minority

The majority is winning and the minority is very slowly having to accept it.

But that's not what pisses me of. It's these elite liberals who live in gated communities with other rich white liberal neighbors telling us the best way we should act towards minorities. Have they ever had to walk down a sidewalk at night wondering if the group of black folks coming toward you will play the "knock out game"?

What's with all these NFL players anyway? They make more than 1 million dollars a year, and they complain about being discriminated against?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-10   11:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: no gnu taxes (#16)

I'm not sure what the middle ground is.

There is no middle ground between standing and not standing. These are employees in the workplace acting in a manner detrimental to the employer and outside the bounds of cmmon decency set forth in 4 U.S.C. and 36 U.S.C.

http://deadline.com/2017/10/vikings-win-monday-night-football-ratings-down-season-low-star-wars-bears-nfl-espn-1202185363/

Vikings Win But ‘Monday Night Football’ Ratings Hits Season Low

by Dominic Patten
Deadline
October 10, 2017 7:23am

[excerpt]

Snaring a 7.0 in metered market results, last night’s MNF was down double digits from last week’s Kansas Chiefs’ 29-20 victory over the Washington Redskins. Down 17% in the ratings, that’s actually a regular game season low for the ESPN broadcast game and matches the MM result of the second game of the doubleheader MNF opener on September 11.

That comes a day after Sunday Night Football also hit a season low with its ratings down too.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-owners-to-discuss-policy-on-standing-for-anthem-1507653315

NFL Owners to Discuss Policy on Standing for Anthem

A league spokesman said owners will consider player input on the issue, but suggested that a rule change would not require player approval

By Matthew Futterman
Wall Street Journal
Oct. 10, 2017 12:35 p.m. ET

The National Football League’s owners will discuss at meetings next week whether to unilaterally change the league policy to require players to stand during the national anthem.

[snip]

If the players do not like it, they can go play in the CFL where they will be required to stand for O Canada.

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http://news.radio.com/2017/10/10/common-jerry-jones-slave-owner-mentality/

Common Says Jerry Jones Has a ‘Slave Owner Mentality’

Annie Reuter
October 10, 2017 12:17 PM

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has gone on record saying that players who kneel in protest during the national anthem will not play. “If we are disrespecting the flag, then we won’t play. Period,” he said (via CBS Sports).

TMZ Sports’s cameras caught up with Common, who likens Jones’ ruling to a slave owner’s mentality.

“It’s an owner mentality,” Common tells TMZ Sports. “Like a slave owner mentality, to be honest. Like, ‘You gonna do what I say on this.'”

Common adds that no football player is disrespecting his job. Instead, he is simply saying this is where I want to place my body during the anthem.

[snip]

The employer will be telling the employee at work to act with common decency and to stop behaving in a manner detrimental to the employer.

And slaves did not get paid hundreds of millions of dollars to hold sit down strikes on the job.

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nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   13:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: nolu chan (#24)

You have to know this stuff gets litigated all the time. It all comes down to what some judge thinks it should be.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-10   13:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: no gnu taxes (#25)

You have to know this stuff gets litigated all the time. It all comes down to what some judge thinks it should be.

And you have to know that there is no constitutional right for employees to hold political demonstrations in the workplace, on duty. As a court case, this would not survive a pre-trial motion.

This is a players' public relations case, not a legal case. They are losing there as well.

No player has a right to take the field. If the Patriots tell Tom Brady next week that he is sitting and Jimmy G is starting, that is how it will be.

Notably, Colin kaepernick has not attempted to sue anybody.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   15:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: interpreter (#2)

If anyone doesn't like our country I think they should be deported to Iraq and see if they like it better over there.

They can just confiscate their helmet, or hand out helmets after the anthem to the players who did not engage in conduct detrimental to the league.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-10   15:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: nolu chan (#26)

And you have to know that there is no constitutional right for employees to hold political demonstrations in the workplace, on duty.

Except that the employer has been allowing it, and in some cases, even encouraging it.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-11   9:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: no gnu taxes (#28)

Except that the employer has been allowing it, and in some cases, even encouraging it.

That creates no right for the players if the league says STOP and enforces a code of conduct. They would not be telling them to bow to Zod, but to act in a manner that does not result in a 6 rating for Monday Night Football. The players have no right to insult the customers and drive them away.

And, of course, there is the NFLPA.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/521169809

Nonprofit Explorer
Research Tax-Exempt Organizations

NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE PLAYERS ASSOCIATION
1133 20TH ST NW STE 600, WASHINGTON, DC 20036-3450
Tax-exempt since May 1971

EIN: 52-1169809

Classification (NTEE)

Labor Unions, Organizations (Employment, Job-Related)

Nonprofit Tax Code Designation: 501(c)(5)

Defined as: Labor, agricultural and horticultural organizations that are educational or instructive, including unions, created for the purpose of improving conditions of work, and products of efficiency.

[...]

NFlPA IRS FORM 990 2014, DATED 2016-01-14

The NFLPA is incorporated as a 501(c)(5), with tax exempt status.

In Schedule O (pdf page 30) there is the required statement of purpose of the tax exempt association.

Return Reference

FORM 990, PART I, LINE 1, PART II, LINE 1

THE PURPOSES OF THE NFLPA ARE TO PROMOTE AND ADVANCE ALL NFL PLAYERS AND THE SPORT OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL, AND TO IMPROVE THE ECONOMIC AND OTHER WORKING CONDITIONS OF PLAYERS AS THE UNION AND EXCLUSIVE REPRESENTATIVES OF PLAYERS IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

The IRS may choose to review their tax exempt status if the NFLPA notoriously acts outside its stated purpose, and chooses to act as a front for social justice movement having nothing to do with professional football, or the working conditions of professional football players, and acts to the detriment of the economic conditions of professional football and the players thereof.

The NFLPA pays no taxes and wants no gnu taxes.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-12   13:20:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: nolu chan (#29)

That creates no right for the players if the league says STOP and enforces a code of conduct.

They can and probably eventually will.

However, that also begs begs the question -- What is the league?

Geez, the commissioner is just a figurehead. The league is the owners.

The NFLPA are just player advocates.

I find it amazing that the NFL is considered a non-profit entity. Yeah, I know there are legal definitions for such things. However, non profit should refer to such organizations as the Salvation Army.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-12   13:31:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: nolu chan, no gnu taxes, redleghunter (#29)

[There is] no right for the players if the league says STOP and enforces a code of conduct.

Up till now, the Employer has been giving consent to ignore and dismiss rules and regs.

If they suddenly give notice and remove consent, the original codes of conduct must be respected. OR ELSE. The Union has no recourse. UNLESS they prefer to strike. And lose millions. Of course they can stand, play lackadaisically, and still get paid. And play to half empty stadiums and totally commit career suicide as the NFL dies.

The NFLPA is incorporated as a 501(c)(5), with tax exempt status.

Which is an epic joke. NFL operations are definitively capitalist, aren't they?

The IRS may choose to review their tax exempt status if the NFLPA notoriously acts outside its stated purpose, and chooses to act as a front for social justice movement having nothing to do with professional football, or the working conditions of professional football players, and acts to the detriment of the economic conditions of professional football and the players thereof.

I'm sure 99% of the FORMER fans had NO idea that the NFL was tax exempt. This knowledge will only also serve to further outrage over its SJW/BLM crusade

UNLESS... the $44 million dollar lead crusader, Roger Goodell and the owners would MUCH rather be taxed while changing gears into to a more economically socialist, anarchist structure of "justice." The President will accommodate them.

But now that the can o' worms has been opened, Goodell, the owners, its BLM members and coerced white players have already stepped in it. The fans KNOW they are hated by its players.

That Jerry Jones Knee-Photo will be seared into the minds of all fans.

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-12   13:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: no gnu taxes (#30)

That creates no right for the players if the league says STOP and enforces a code of conduct.

They can and probably eventually will.

However, that also begs begs the question -- What is the league?

The NFL is their employer,and the teams they play for are the ones who pays their paychecks. When they are in uniform and on the field,they are representatives of their employers,so their employers have a legal right to tell them to stop or be fired.

If they try to sue,they won't have a leg to stand on.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-10-12   13:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#31)

I still remember the NFL in the 70s.

Players played because they liked the game.

The minimum salary was about twice the minimum wage. Most players only made around $40,000 a year. A few did make really good money. Most also worked other jobs in the offseason.

Almost no teams made money. For owners, it was just a tax write and a hobby.

Also, the conditions for players were far more brutal than today. Perfectly legal hits could kill a player. Still players wanted to play.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-12   13:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#32)

The NFL is their employer

But exactly what is the NFL as an employer? The owners run the league.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-12   14:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: no gnu taxes (#33) (Edited)

I still remember the NFL in the 70s.

Players played because they liked the game.

The minimum salary was about twice the minimum wage. Most players only made around $40,000 a year. A few did make really good money. Most also worked other jobs in the offseason.

Yup. They played for the love and passion for the game. As spectators, the fans sensed it and loved the NFL back then.

They were severely underpaid. Shame many became debilitated as a result.

Almost no teams made money. For owners, it was just a tax write and a hobby.

Also, the conditions for players were far more brutal than today. Perfectly legal hits could kill a player. Still players wanted to play.

Good observations. Probably nearly the same can be said of the other "major sports," like MLB back then; Once upon a time they were all "just a game."

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-12   14:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#32)

When they are in uniform and on the field,they are representatives of their employers,so their employers have a legal right to tell them to stop or be fired.

If they try to sue,they won't have a leg to stand on.

Their only recourse is spite and stupidity.

Watch them either strike, or call for a "work slow-down." Then pass around the popcorn as the NFL swirls down the crapper.

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-12   14:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#35)

Like MLB back then

I'm not sure about that. For most of the game, players spend time standing around or sitting around.

I remember the brutal hit Pete Rose delivered that destroyed Ray Fosses career. I doubt that would be illegal today.

Also, the biggest danger is some apple sized object coming at you more than 100 mph. That will never change unless folks want to elimiate the game.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2017-10-12   14:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: no gnu taxes, Liberator (#30)

I find it amazing that the NFL is considered a non-profit entity.

The NFL was registered as a tax free organization until a few years back. It is not a non-profit now. It was becoming a scandal and they gave it up. That is not where the big money flows, anyway.

The NFLPA is the NFL Players Association. That is organized as a tax free corporation.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-12   18:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: no gnu taxes, Liberator (#33)

I still remember the NFL in the 70s.

I remember it from the 50's before there was an AFL or a Super Bowl.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-12   18:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator, sneakypete (#36)

Watch them either strike, or call for a "work slow-down."

The Raiders may have showed their quarterback, Derek Carr, how bad they can block if the want to, and maybe Big Ben showed some Steelers players how many interceptions he can throw in a game.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-12   19:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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