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Title: Gay Coffee Shop Owner Forcibly Ejects Christian Customers For Their Beliefs
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Red State
URL Source: https://www.redstate.com/brandon_mo ... ians-goes-anti-christian-rant/
Published: Oct 6, 2017
Author: Brandon Morse
Post Date: 2017-10-06 21:49:27 by redleghunter
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Gay Coffee Shop Owner Forcibly Ejects Christian Customers For Their Beliefs It turns out those who vehemently demand Christians be tolerant of their views and lifestyles, and force Christians to perform services under threat of legal retaliation are — and I can’t believe I’m writing this — intolerant of Christians, and refuse to provide services for them. In a recently released video from the group Abolish Human Abortion, a pro- life advocacy group, a gay coffee shop owner can be seen berating, insulting, and forcing the removal of the Christian group because of their beliefs. Caytie Davis and her fellows had been handing out pro-life pamphlets that targeted the homosexual community for the spread of the Gospel. I won’t pretend that the pamphlet’s designs and words were fully geared for opening up discussion with the gay community without agitation first — you can check out the pamphlet for yourself at The Liberator — but the pamphlet’s blunt message aside, the group did not bring it into the coffee shop with them. Davis and her fellow activists, seeking to relax after handing out pamphlets, went into Seattle’s Bedlam coffee shop. According to Davis, they didn’t engage anyone, or — as previously said — bring any of their literature into the shop with them. They got their coffee, and went upstairs into the lounge area to relax. Only minutes later, the owner of the coffee shop burst into the room and demanded they leave. The video shows the Christian group attempting to reason with the coffee shop owner, but to no avail. In fact, it only seemed to make him angrier according to The Liberator, and soon the owner : Remainder of article at link. Poster Comment: I would normally warn readers of the foul language, but given this is LF....
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The Redstate author is bearing false witness, aka lying. They went in there to troll. I've got no problem with that, but don't lie about it.
He sounds bitter and aggressive to me,not gay. Gay means "happy",and he ain't. BTW,as an American citizen and business owner,he has the RIGHT to refuse service to anyone he wants to refuse service to. Just like the Christian bakery owners have a RIGHT to refuse to make homo-sexual themed cakes. We are either all free,or none of us are free. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
They went in there to troll. I've got no problem with that, but don't lie about it. BINGO! They went in looking for a fight. Probably as a fund-raising tool with their fundie supporters. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
You know that how?
You have evidence of such?
Would you go to a gay coffee shop or bar to "relax"? You seem to be saying that these Christians are very stupid. I believe that it's most likely that they told their story truthfully, and that the author at Redstate embellished it with false witness to get clicks to his crappy neocon website.
I've read this story at a number of sites, often using the same language. I don't see that they were "forcibly ejected". He didn't twist their arms behind their backs, he didn't sic a bouncer on them. He did rant at them and berate them with foul language and blasphemy until they left voluntarily. You do have to wonder if he would have served them beverages if he had known about their pamphleteering when he served them.
Is a coffee shop some kind of hookup spot in the way that a gay bar or a gay bathhouse is? How gay can any coffee shop be, even in a neighborhood with a reputation for gaiety? Maybe they're gayer than I imagine but I don't see any evidence of that. There's no mention of the shop being decorated with gay pornographic images or anything like that.
It's Seattle. They did not know it was owned by a homosexual until he started berating them.
As a Christian I don't want to be served by openly gay persons, If they don't agree with my beliefs I am perfectly happy to be served by someone who respects my beliefs so what I suggest is, just as it was back in the day, these poofters display a sign saying Christians not served here. They won't do that because they are too cowardly, knowing they cannot discriminate openly
Of course he doesn't. He gets excited by by faggot causes. Pete's weakness.
The very act and the players are all the evidence any rational person needs. Or maybe you believe those fundies just happened to find a coffee shop owned by a homo IN SEATTLE by accident,because there are so many of them and so few owned and operated by heterosexuals or people who keep their sexual orientation to themselves? If it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck,and looks like a duck,it's a freaking duck! In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Seems unlikely. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
How gay can any coffee shop be, even in a neighborhood with a reputation for gaiety? The shop is just a shop. It's the owners that set the "theme" by being and appearing sexually and politically neutral,"out" with their sexuality but not pushy,or so light in the loafers most of their customers are also homosexuals,and the owners have to chain themselves to the counter to keep from floating away. I used to eat lunch at a coffee shop all the time that was owned by two homos. They were a couple and didn't try to hide it. Nor did they seem to feel any desire to advertise it. They had good sandwiches at reasonable prices and were at a convenient location. It was at an oceanfront building in a resort area,and every time I went in there to eat it was mostly local construction workers in there eating,with very few tourists. I am sure if they had been radical homosexual activists that most of their regulars would have been eating and meeting somewhere else for coffee,but they were never "in your face" about it so as far as I know nobody bothered them. Live and let live. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
ROFLMAO! Yeah,my bad. I'm one of those un-American radicals that thinks all Americans are equal in the eye of the law,and we all have equal rights as well as equal responsibilities as citizens,regardless of race,gender,wealth,or religious POV's. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong,but it seems to ME that those radical anti-homosexual bible-thumpers that condemn homosexuals to an eternity in hell just for BEING homosexuals could have PROBABLY been able to find a coffee shop in SEATTLE that WASN'T owned by homosexuals if homosexuality bothered them that much. Is there any city in America that has a higher percentage of coffee shops per 1,000 population than Seattle? And since these people live in Seattle themselves and are radical anti-homosexuals,you would THINK they were aware THAT particular coffee shop was owned and operated by a homosexual. Drama queens looking for drama in order to get some press for fund-raising purposes,nothing more,nothing less. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
No that is a lie. You want special privileges for faggot. That is why you cry and wet your pants about the faggot causes. Yes you never once complained that there are segregated showers at public schools. So you don't really believe what you said. Now shut up about it I'm not going to listen to faggot propaganda here.
You lied and made that up because you wet your pants for the faggot. Prove what you said is true. You cannot do that. You just start making stuff up to protect the faggot and discriminate against the normals. Sick.
You obviously keep up with where the faggot hang out. Normal people don't. I don't want to hear any responses from you on this. Thanks in advance.
YOU are the liar here Stone,not me,and everybody knows it. Yes you never once complained that there are segregated showers at public schools. What the HELL do segregated or non-segregated showers in public schools have to do with anything? I have never discusses this issue because I have never heard or seen it mentioned before. Do YOU think there should be segregated showers in public schools? If so,start a thread and make your case. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Do yourself a favor and just come out of the closet and be done with it,Stone. You are clearly jealous of "out" homosexuals and want to see them punished for having the guts to go public with it instead of hiding in the closet with you and pretending to be something you're not. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
So you think the boys and girls should shower together at school. What a dumb ass. Oh you don't you just want special treatment for faggots.
You do what all faggot do. You call people who disagree with your pet cause faggot. You couldn't help yourself. Bye.
Call the faggot and complain.
It is always like a re-occurring shitstorm with you, Stone. What is it with you?
They were near the coffee shop, handing out pamphlets that specifically targeted gays on the issue of abortion. I kinda thought that this must have been a predominantly gay neighborhood and that they knew that or they wouldn't have handed out those particular pamphlets.
In Germany, it is pretty routine to have coed showers in the public schools. I'm not sure if that is universal or not but I've seen it reported as common and Germans don't give it a second thought. They're very casual about nudity in Germany, in much the same way as the Scandinavians are.
Wow! A three-fer. They should have added a pro-gun message, too.
And they practice cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. Now, I'm not real sure what you're suggesting by your post, but be aware I'm ready to counter.
I'd better head for the hills. LOL
Are you banning people this early in the day? You only have about 15-20 regulars, less than that of irregular posters. Yesterday, you had 137 posts here at LF by my count. 11 by me, 13 by you, 8 by sneakypete, 21 by nolu, and so on. Of course, post counts go way or down for any given poster, depending on how busy they are, what's in the news, etc. Just cancel your sneaky ban. I'm pretty sure he doesn't hang out here just to try to someday get to feel up your buttocks. This banning stuff is one of the more destructive things you do this forum.
He does anything he wants. It is not limited to "early" ... but by Sunday, he will will bring 'em all back into the fold!
I don't see the relevance. They weren't handing them out in the coffee shop. They were thrown out of the coffee shop solely based on who they were. Flip it around. Gays are near a straight cofee shop handing out NAMBLA literature. You take it from there.
Yeah. I miss Roscoe.
I was only saying that this was likely a gay neighborhood since they were targeting a gay audience for their pro-life literature. You wouldn't go hand out such literature out in the suburbs where maybe 1:1000 people are gay. You'd go to a neighborhood known for gayness, where you might get 20%-30% gay people walking down the street to give your gay pro-life pamphlets to. So I think this was a gay-owned coffee shop in a neighborhood that is known for being a gay ghetto place with large numbers of gays or even a majority of gays living there.
You would.
Why? High rate of abortion among homosexuals? Even if they knew the coffee shop owner was gay I don't see how it would make a diference. Does he throw out everyone he doesn't like?
I base my remark on the article: "Caytie Davis and her fellows had been handing out pro-life pamphlets that targeted the homosexual community for the spread of the Gospel." Oops, I forgot. It's against the rules to actually read an article here at LF.
Why would faggots care one way or the other about abortion?
I want to call you phuckng, "STUPID." It won't be the last tyme.
So you're saying the coffee shop owner kicked them out solely because they were pro-life?
Yes, yes. I know.
Acknowledgement means nothing.
I have no idea. I get the impression that they made a pro-life argument to try to get Teh Gays to get saved and abandon sodomy. The articles about this story do give links so you can go see the actual pamphlet they distributed. I just wasn't that interested.
I said nothing of the sort. I suspect he was kicking them out for trying to convert Teh Gays from sodomy to Christianity but I haven't read their literature and don't care that much.
I believe the running argument here is if a shop owner wants to refuse service it should be within their rights to do so. However, we know doing such based on race or skin color would evoke a civil rights case. The question is does this anti-discrimination protection extend to sexual preferences and religious affiliation. In the US the 1st Amendment protects the free exercise of religion. For example, if the coffee shop saw Christians saying grace before eating and drinking, throwing them out would be doing so for their free exercise. What we are eventually going to get to here in the States is some shop owners refusing service to people not sharing their own political or social worldview. Which I don't believe one can sue the shop owners.
You can see their pamphlets at The Liberator. This is a very aggressive pro-life group, they refer to themselves as abolitionists. You can see their flagship site AbolishHumanAbortion.com.
They had already been served and gone upstairs to a reading room before the owner, probably tipped off by some busybody, found out what kind of literature they handed out and came up to demand that they leave. If he served them, I'm not sure how you would sue him. He provided the beverages and bakery-made goods (if any) that he had on display. I'm not sure that public accommodation includes a right to be seated if other customers are claiming that you upset them.
Something along those lines -- but not in the coffee shop which, again, is the key point.
Good point! I think they used that loophole in the 50's when blacks demanded a seat at the counter -- "No can do. It'll upset the whites."
True enough. No one has alleged they were proselytizing in the coffee joint. They might have been wearing their abolitionist T-shirts or had other abolitionist gear. Some of the abolitionist T-shirts are pretty graphic stuff with aborted babies all chopped up and such. There are a lot of restaurants that would not want you to wear that kind of stomach-churning stuff in their business. Looking at the pamphlet, it seems they were trying to convert gays to pro-life, not to get them to dump their sodomy lifestyles and become Christians.
I think you agree that if that was their sole message they're in the wrong neighborhood.
When was the last time you were in Seattle? It's the second largest gay haven next to San Francisco.
If they were wearing graphic bloody T-shirts, that is very different from refusing to seat someone because of their skin color. And you forget: these abolitionists were served their orders. In Selma and Birmingham, they were not allowed to sit or to be served, per state law. Not the same. And I'm not going to spend the day explaining why. Because this is kind of a dumbass thread to begin with.
I think Stone banned him again. He hasn't surfaced over at 4um yet though he reads and posts over there too on pretty much a daily basis. Maybe he's busy with his new tractor. I was hoping he'd tell us how he likes it.
I have no idea. Well, I do. They all support everything anti-Christian, anti-socialist, anti-white people and have been taught to behave that way. They are indoctrinated idiots. Frankly I have seen no seen no evidence that this Christian group behaved in any way other than what they said.
I don't want to call you "phucking stupid." but it seems like you missed his point.
You should find out more about these abolitionists. They are small but very aggressive. Not like the Westboro church bunch but a lot more aggressive than your run-of-the-mill pro-lifers.
You voted for TRUMP? You are a phreaking phucking stupid retard, incapable of realizing your voter responsibilities.
I didn't say that they did.
Yeah. Or if they brought with them actual aborted fetuses. Then again, the article mentioned neither. So maybe we can put the speculation behind us.
You've mistaken me for someone who actually gives a shit about this non-story.
Sorry that Mrs. Bill Clinton thing didn't come through for you. Maybe next time, comrade.
He said in post #61.
You would. Tooconservative Roscoe was such an obvious White clone/idiot, that most here miss him, as a whipping boy. Free Roscoe!
Stone does. It's legal to be a authoritarian ahole in the USA. Lucky for you! If you own the place, you can pitch out whomever you want, and you don't have to bake them gay wedding cakes or whatever. Presumably Stone would ban Donny Trump for promoting the gay agenda.
Kinda think I put Roscoe back. Maybe he doesn't want to come back because he thinks I'm an asshole. I think that is it.
Most people on this chit-chat forum know and understand that you are an asshole. So, you haven't added to our collective knowledge.
I didn't know there was a full video of the coffee shop.
Yes the video was embedded at the link. I was wondering why so many said Red State embellished and added. The video is quite clear he threw them out. And used all that gay nasty language.
The Christians never said that they went there to "relax", that was added at Redstate. Why are there no quote marks around the relax shuck 'n jive? Because they never said any such thing. There are several quotes from the Christians as well as the video, but nothing about them going there to relax.
There's a link to another site at the red state link. Might shed some light on this for you.
Not if you run a public accomodation, such as a place that serves food. http://civilrights.findlaw.com/civil-rights-overview/public-accommodations-equal-rights.html Through the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), the federal government prohibits discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of the following: race, color, religion, national origin, and disability. The federal government does not prohibit discrimination on the basis of age, sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity. However, numerous states protect against age, sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity discrimination.
I saw a few of them with coffee cups. So they were served their beverages. So is that enough or do you have to let them sit at your tables and hang out?
It depends. IF you are a faggot. You get to stay and watch the dude butt fuck his butt buddy. The guy did says something about doing that.
It should be a fundamental right of any American businesses owner to not cater or sell to anyone for ANY reason... and be able to ask ANYONE for ANY reason to leave property owned by them. I agree with this filthy cum guzzling sperm burper... he should have the right to kick anyone out of his business. By the same ideology, a cake maker should be able to tell a faggot to fuk off, leave, when they want a faggot cake. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Well, as entertaining as that might be, I was trying to ask nolu about accommodation law. They were served beverages and went upstairs to relax and hang out, just like any other customers. So if they were served in a coffee shop, does that constitute compliance with the requirement to serve all without discrimination? Or, if the coffee shop offers seating inside for all other customers, are you discriminating by asking the Christians to leave because you don't like literature they distributed elsewhere in the neighborhood? Since the accommodation laws are written in terms of forbidding all discrimination, it seems to me that the shop owner did discriminate in telling these people they had to leave while allowing other customers to sit in the coffee shop, use the restrooms, browse books, use Wi-Fi, etc. I'd like to see these Christians get a lawyer and sue this coffee bitch into the seventh circle of hell.
May a horde of gays demanding service descend on every public accommodation you enter. Perhaps that will change your love for illegal unconstitutional legislation?
So why is that a problem as long as they are not bothering anyone else? I bet you had no problem with the bakery being sued out of business because their Christian beliefs caused them to politely refuse to provide for a wedding for reasons that violated their beliefs.
It isn't. I'm speaking of whether they are denying an accommodation to these Christians based on their subjective belief that the Christians had distributed political literature elsewhere that the homo barista found objectionable. I've supported the Christians in all these RFRA cases. I don't get as lathered up over them as some of you do. However, that bakery refused service entirely to the homo. In this case, the homo barista did serve them their coffee but refused to allow them to stay and enjoy the premises as he allowed others to do, all based on his objection to their freedom of speech activities elsewhere in the neighborhood. But he did clearly discriminate against them and admitted it was because of their free speech activities that were conducted entirely outside his establishment. They should find a lawyer or get one of these generally useless Christian legal defense foundations like ACLJ to represent them. But thanks for the baseless accusation all the same.
Well, it's not like the fag could sit down and hold his wedding there. Also this was a long term event. They are dozens of places they could have gone to get a wedding cake. it's not like he came in from the street looking for a place to relax. But i will agree with you that this is a civil matter.
I agree you should be able to do that, but the law says otherwise.
"Here's your filet mignon sir, now take it outside and eat in on the sidewalk".
I agree. If his business suffers because of his decision, it's on him. What about a restaurant taken over by Nazi bikers? Being forced to accommodate them results in the owner losing all his other customers. He goes out of business. Will the federal government compensate him?
I remember a number of years ago when I would hang out in such places, I would see signs saying "locals only" for a a select area of the establishment. It was obvious this was meant for bikers traveling through. They were hardly locals.
Of course. It *should* be. BUT ISN'T (as illustrated by several high-profile cases -- including the CHRISTIAN baker, the CHRISTIAN florist, etal. that went to court and/or were sued out-of-business.) THIS incident was intended only to underscore the hypocrisy and unequal application of the law in OTHER CASES. And that was the point being scored by the Christian coffee drinkers. MOREOVER, it also underscored the disgusting degree of hatred, cowardice, contempt and militancy of the typical Homofascist (as well as a pro-atheist judiciary) of and for Christians.
So is that enough or do you have to let them sit at your tables and hang out? IF a business establishment has tables intended FOR PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION AND USE, guess what?
It was obvious this was meant for bikers traveling through. They were hardly locals. Gonna guess it was NOT in the Seattle/SF area.
Heh....
"...while we continue to allow all the other customers to sit and enjoy their food in our dining room." Exactly.
What an absolutely disgusting homofascist display of hate, contempt, and...yes, demonic possession. I strongly suspect THESE types of animals have infested every level of gubmint. EDIT: As well as the MSM, Hollywood, Music Industry, Tech Industry, Social Media outlets...well...basically like termites they've infested and infected nearly every business and institution.
If that's the rest of the equation... Isn't this entire public accommodation thing either all or nothing?
That's what makes a capitalist society great... if you hate too many as a business owner, you'll go out of business. My father, a successful business owner always told me... that money is the same color green from everyone. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
HA!! (although I have seen some salty language over at JR's Bar and Grill.) The degree of hatred and contempt these sick mutants have for Jesus Christ is off the chart. I have absolutely NO doubt that this animal is demon-possessed. The ranting about sodomy was real special, wasn't it? Maybe the guy should be an elementary school teacher. OR 'SCHOOL CZAR'. OH WAIT. Remember 0bama's guy? The Liberal-Prog pro-Antifa/BLM/Homofascist Media LOVED him: By THE WASHINGTON TIMES - The Washington Times - Monday, September 28, 2009 ANALYSIS/OPINION: A teacher was told by a 15-year-old high school sophomore that he was having homosexual sex with an “older man.” At the very least, statutory rape occurred. Fox News reported that the teacher violated a state law requiring that he report the abuse. That former teacher, Kevin Jennings, is President Obama’s “safe school czar.” It’s getting hard to keep track of all of this president’s problematic appointments.
That's what I thought.
The laws forbid "all discrimination". Including discriminating against white people or Christians if words still have meaning. They really should sue, let the Ninth Circus decline and then take it to the USSC. There is also the broad principle of "equal protection under the laws" in their favor as mentioned at the end of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.
My father, a successful business owner always told me... that money is the same color green from everyone. Well GI -- Dad was right; Only that model for business and philosophy was allowed to flourish during a DIFFERENT ERA of common sense, logic, and respect. (Btw, are you at liberty to tell us generally or specifically the type of business Dad ran?) Pops likely ran his successful business before the local goob was hijacked by over-officious Commie/homofascist jackasses; OR, before the courts were taken over and judges allowed to harass and abuse their authoritah with political/philosophical axes to grind. The color of money these days is apparently BROWN. Sh** brown as a result of corrupt pro-homofascist judges whose decisions are purely political or compensated to support pro-queer case decisions.
Why is it the ""equal protection under the laws" always seems ambiguous in cases AGAINST conservative causes, but specific and in support of in cases affecting the radical/homo cause? Just sayin'....
I don't think there is one case of a Christian baker refusing general services to homosexuals. It was when they wanted customized cakes for specific same sex ceremonies. The only comparison I can make is if the Christians in the coffee shop wanted their paper cups emblazoned with specific Christian symbols like a cross or ichthus. Apparently they did not, and only ordered coffee.
Yes that was the point which many miss.
Truth. The leftists and SJW in particular believe tolerance is defined by what they mean it to be.
If I was there...heh...and the barista owner said "what if I sodomized my partner right here" I would have responded "I did not know the coffee house was zoned for a gay bath house."
Ah yes the catch all clause. The fake Satanists are hard at work trying to break that clause.
Just sayin'.... Par for the course. However, many of these states which we see Christians prosecuted are due to unConstitutional local or state laws/ordinances. So we have the 14th cited in quite a few cases against Christians, yet the 1st Amendment "protects" the free exercise of religion. The Constitution does not protect the free exercise of sodomy promotion, but as we know for homosexuals it is truly a religion. ;) The liberal view is free exercise of religion stops with an individual's basic civil rights (read 14th Amendment). Some states, take this view as 'gospel' truth and so do the leftist courts. This is why the Christian baker case before the SCOTUS will be the Roe v. Wade of religious liberty in these United States. If ruled in favor of the Christian baker, a lot of state and city ordinances will be null and void.
One thing we know: Gorsuch is not timid. Not in arguments before the Court, not in conference, not in deference to Roberts. And he's been voting in lockstep with Clarence Thomas so far. Of course, Anthony Kennedy is probably sensing a prime opportunity to stab us in the back, no matter what his former clerk is up to.
Of course, Anthony Kennedy is probably sensing a prime opportunity to stab us in the back, no matter what his former clerk is up to. For the question of the Christian baker it is truly testing the extent of the 1st Amendment. The homosexual plaintiffs do not have much to go with except a very loose interpretation of "equal protections." They can't even cite the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because it specifically states no discrimination of "race, color, religion, or national origin." Whereas the coffee guzzling Christians do indeed have a case against the barista owner as we see below. SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, , or national origin. (b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action: (1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence; (2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station; (3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and (4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment. Now of course atheists of the New Atheist brand are not slackers and are now using the temple of Satan to mask their intents of gay "rights." There's also an attempt in Missouri for a self proclaimed Satanist who has a civil case against the State to remove pre abortion mandatory counseling as she said is religious in nature and not accepted by her 'religion' of Satanism. Satanist sues Missouri over abortion laws I think she will lose as her premise is human life beginning at conception is a religious view. When in fact life beginning at conception is a biological fact. That she is a science denier won't help unless she gets an all liberal court. The State's Attorney General should know human life begins at conception as is abundantly clear:
This was in the South Florida area. I mean you could go in there if you wanted, but you did so at your own risk.
I was going to quote the exact same thing in my earlier post but wasn't sure how the 1964 act has been altered in EOs or subsequent legislation. I think it has sex or gender in there now. I know 0bama was trying to do that via regulatory authority but I don't think he succeeded. Maybe nolu is up to date on the statutes and regulatory changes.
The Executive branch can impose such but only within the power of the branch. So Obama did extend such rights to the military and fed gov agencies but not impose such on the States. That is my understanding. The emperor also did so for transgenders but looks like Trump pulled the carpet.
I think we are both a little unsure exactly what the current state of the laws and regulations are after 0bama's unlawful orders and Trump's recissions of much of them.
There have been no SCOTUS decisions expanding the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to homosexuals. There have been attempts in conference committees to bring forth legislation to extend these rights but have all been buried. They will now remain so as long as there is a GOP House and Senate. This is how the Zer0 admin tried but now being torpedoed by Sessions: Justice Department Says Rights Law Doesn’t Protect Gays 1789 Attorney General Jeff Sessions boarding a plane on Thursday for a trip to El Salvador, where he will meet with local leaders about fighting gang violence. PABLO MARTINEZ MONSIVAIS / ASSOCIATED PRESS By ALAN FEUER JULY 27, 2017 The Justice Department has filed court papers arguing that a major federal civil rights law does not protect employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation, taking a stand against a decision reached under President Barack Obama. The department’s move to insert itself into a federal case in New York was an unusual example of top officials in Washington intervening in court in what is an important but essentially private dispute between a worker and his boss over gay rights issues. “The sole question here is whether, as a matter of law, Title VII reaches sexual orientation discrimination,” the Justice Department said in a friend- of-the-court brief, citing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which bars discrimination in the workplace based on “race, color, religion, sex or national origin.” “It does not, as has been settled for decades. Any efforts to amend Title VII’s scope should be directed to Congress rather than the courts.” The department filed its brief on Wednesday, the same day President Trump announced on Twitter that transgender people would be banned from serving in the military, raising concerns among civil rights activists that the Trump administration was trying to undermine lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights won under previous administrations.
Except for Obergefell which granted gay marriage and associated legal rights.
A good point. Which begs the question on what Obergefell hangs it hat? What precedence? None that I know of other than the very loose use of the 14th Amendment.
Back then, there were neighborhood stores and voluntary segregation, so it was rare to see a negro among white shoppers. And vice-versa. You had to go shopping "downtown" to see minorities. At least, that was my experience growing up. Neighborhood integration and shopping malls came later.
Davis and her fellow activists, seeking to relax after handing out pamphlets, went into Seattle’s Bedlam coffee shop. According to Davis, they didn’t engage anyone, or — as previously said — bring any of their literature into the shop with them. They got their coffee, and went upstairs into the lounge area to relax.
#2. To: redleghunter (#0)
(Edited)
Gay Coffee Shop Owner Forcibly Ejects Christian Customers For Their Beliefs
#3. To: hondo68 (#1)
The Redstate author is bearing false witness, aka lying.
#4. To: hondo68 (#1)
#5. To: sneakypete (#3)
#6. To: redleghunter (#4)
You know that how?
#7. To: redleghunter (#0)
Only minutes later, the owner of the coffee shop burst into the room and demanded they leave.
#8. To: hondo68 (#6)
Would you go to a gay coffee shop or bar to "relax"?
#9. To: hondo68 (#6)
Would you go to a gay coffee shop or bar to "relax"?
#10. To: redleghunter (#0)
Gay Coffee Shop Owner Forcibly Ejects Christian Customers For Their Beliefs
#11. To: redleghunter (#5)
#12. To: redleghunter (#5)
(Edited)
You have evidence of such?
#13. To: Tooconservative (#7)
You do have to wonder if he would have served them beverages if he had known about their pamphleteering when he served them.
#14. To: Tooconservative (#8)
Is a coffee shop some kind of hookup spot in the way that a gay bar or a gay bathhouse is?
#15. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Of course he doesn't. He gets excited by by faggot causes. Pete's weakness.
#16. To: sneakypete (#15)
Yeah,my bad. I'm one of those un-American radicals that thinks all Americans are equal in the eye of the law,and we all have equal rights as well as equal responsibilities as citizens,regardless of race,gender,wealth,or religious POV's.
#17. To: sneakypete (#15)
PLEASE correct me if I am wrong,but it seems to ME that those radical anti-homosexual bible-thumpers that condemn homosexuals to an eternity in hell just for BEING homosexuals could have PROBABLY been able to find a coffee shop in SEATTLE that WASN'T owned by homosexuals if homosexuality bothered them that much.
#18. To: sneakypete (#15)
(Edited)
And since these people live in Seattle themselves and are radical anti-homosexuals,you would THINK they were aware THAT particular coffee shop was owned and operated by a homosexual.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#16)
No that is a lie. You want special privileges for faggot.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#17)
Prove what you said is true. You cannot do that. You just start making stuff up to protect the faggot and discriminate against the normals. Sick.
#21. To: sneakypete (#19)
#22. To: sneakypete (#20)
#23. To: redleghunter (#0)
206) 910-2300
#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)
#25. To: sneakypete (#15)
And since these people live in Seattle themselves and are radical anti-homosexuals,you would THINK they were aware THAT particular coffee shop was owned and operated by a homosexual.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#16)
Yes you never once complained that there are segregated showers at public schools.
#27. To: redleghunter (#0)
Caytie Davis and her fellows had been handing out pro-life pamphlets that targeted the homosexual community for the spread of the Gospel.
#28. To: Tooconservative (#26)
(Edited)
In Germany, it is pretty routine to have coed showers in the public schools.
#29. To: misterwhite (#28)
Now, I'm not real sure what you're suggesting by your post, but be aware I'm ready to counter.
#30. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#22)
You couldn't help yourself. Bye.
#31. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, sneakypete (#30)
Are you [A K A Stone] banning people this early in the day?
#32. To: Tooconservative (#25)
They were near the coffee shop, handing out pamphlets that specifically targeted gays on the issue of abortion.
#33. To: Tooconservative (#30)
This banning stuff is one of the more destructive things you do this forum.
#34. To: misterwhite (#32)
I don't see the relevance. They weren't handing them out in the coffee shop. They were thrown out of the coffee shop solely based on who they were.
#35. To: misterwhite (#33)
Yeah. I miss Roscoe.
#36. To: Tooconservative (#34)
since they were targeting a gay audience for their pro-life literature.
#37. To: misterwhite (#36)
Why? High rate of abortion among homosexuals?
#38. To: Tooconservative (#37)
Caytie Davis and her fellows had been handing out pro-life pamphlets that targeted the homosexual community
#39. To: misterwhite (#36)
High rate of abortion among homosexuals?
#40. To: Tooconservative (#37)
I base my remark on the article: "Caytie Davis and her fellows had been handing out pro-life pamphlets that targeted the homosexual community for the spread of the Gospel."
#41. To: buckeroo (#39)
I want to call you phuckng, "STUPID."
#42. To: misterwhite (#41)
#43. To: no gnu taxes (#38)
Why would faggots care one way or the other about abortion?
#44. To: misterwhite (#40)
So you're saying the coffee shop owner kicked them out solely because they were pro-life?
#45. To: paraclete (#10)
As a Christian I don't want to be served by openly gay persons, If they don't agree with my beliefs I am perfectly happy to be served by someone who respects my beliefs so what I suggest is, just as it was back in the day, these poofters display a sign saying Christians not served here. They won't do that because they are too cowardly, knowing they cannot discriminate openly
#46. To: no gnu taxes, misterwhite (#38)
#47. To: redleghunter (#45)
For example, if the coffee shop saw Christians saying grace before eating and drinking, throwing them out would be doing so for their free exercise.
#48. To: Tooconservative (#44)
I suspect he was kicking them out for trying to convert Teh Gays from sodomy to Christianity
#49. To: Tooconservative (#47)
I'm not sure that public accommodation includes a right to be seated if other customers are claiming that you upset them.
#50. To: misterwhite (#48)
Something along those lines -- but not in the coffee shop which, again, is the key point.
#51. To: Tooconservative (#46)
This is a very aggressive pro-life group, they refer to themselves as abolitionists.
#52. To: sneakypete (#12)
Or maybe you believe those fundies just happened to find a coffee shop owned by a homo IN SEATTLE by accident,because there are so many of them and so few owned and operated by heterosexuals or people who keep their sexual orientation to themselves?
#53. To: misterwhite (#49)
I think they used that loophole in the 50's when blacks demanded a seat at the counter -- "No can do. It'll upset the whites."
#54. To: redleghunter (#52)
To: sneakypete (#12)
#55. To: Tooconservative (#43)
Why would faggots care one way or the other about abortion?
#56. To: buckeroo (#39)
#57. To: misterwhite (#51)
I think you agree that if that was their sole message they're in the wrong neighborhood.
#58. To: no gnu taxes (#56)
"phucking stupid."
#59. To: no gnu taxes (#55)
Frankly I have seen no seen no evidence that this Christian group behaved in any way other than what they said.
#60. To: Tooconservative (#53)
If they were wearing graphic bloody T-shirts, that is very different from refusing to seat someone because of their skin color.
#61. To: misterwhite (#60)
#62. To: buckeroo (#58)
You voted for TRUMP? You are a phreaking phucking stupid retard, incapable of realizing your voter responsibilities.
#63. To: Tooconservative (#61)
You've mistaken me for someone who actually gives a shit about this non-story.
#64. To: no gnu taxes (#56)
I don't want to call you "phucking stupid." but it seems like you missed his point.
#65. To: Tooconservative, y'all (#35)
misterwhite (#33) Yeah. I miss Roscoe.
#66. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone, Tooconservative, buckeroo, Fred Mertz (#36)
Does he throw out everyone he doesn't like?
#67. To: misterwhite (#33)
#68. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#67)
Maybe he doesn't want to come back because he thinks I'm an asshole. I think that is it.
#69. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone (#0)
#70. To: Tooconservative, Liberator, A K A Stone (#69)
#71. To: redleghunter (#70)
I was wondering why so many said Red State embellished and added.
#72. To: hondo68 (#71)
#73. To: hondo68, misterwhite, A K A Stone, Tooconservative, buckeroo, Fred Mertz (#66)
If you own the place, you can pitch out whomever you want
Public Accommodations at the Federal Level
#74. To: nolu chan (#73)
Not if you run a public accommodation, such as a place that serves food.
#75. To: Tooconservative (#74)
(Edited)
So is that enough or do you have to let them sit at your tables and hang out?
#76. To: A K A Stone (#75)
(Edited)
#77. To: A K A Stone (#75)
It depends. IF you are a faggot. You get to stay and watch the dude butt fuck his butt buddy.
#78. To: nolu chan, SJW (#73)
Not if you run a public accomodation
#79. To: Tooconservative (#74)
So is that enough or do you have to let them sit at your tables and hang out?
#80. To: no gnu taxes (#79)
(Edited)
So why is that a problem as long as they are not bothering anyone else?
I bet you had no problem with the bakery being sued out of business because their Christian beliefs caused them to politely refuse to provide for a wedding for reasons that violated their beliefs.
#81. To: Tooconservative (#80)
However, that bakery refused service entirely to the homo.
#82. To: hondo68 (#66)
If you own the place, you can pitch out whomever you want, and you don't have to bake them gay wedding cakes or whatever.
#83. To: Tooconservative (#74)
So is that enough or do you have to let them sit at your tables and hang out?
#84. To: GrandIsland (#76)
It should be a fundamental right of any American businesses owner to not cater or sell to anyone for ANY reason... and be able to ask ANYONE for ANY reason to leave property owned by them.
#85. To: misterwhite (#84)
What about a restaurant taken over by Nazi bikers?
#86. To: GrandIsland (#76)
It should be a fundamental right of any American businesses owner to not cater or sell to anyone for ANY reason... and be able to ask ANYONE for ANY reason to leave property owned by them.
#87. To: Tooconservative, nolu chan (#74)
(Edited)
I saw a few of them with coffee cups. So they were served their beverages.
#88. To: no gnu taxes, misterwhite (#85)
I remember a number of years ago when I would hang out in such places, I would see signs saying "locals only" for a a select area of the establishment.
#89. To: misterwhite (#83)
"Here's your filet mignon sir, now take it outside and eat in on the sidewalk".
#90. To: misterwhite, Liberator (#83)
"Here's your filet mignon sir, now take it outside and eat in on the sidewalk". ...
#91. To: redleghunter, Tooconservative, A K A Stone (#70)
(Edited)
#92. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite, nolu chan (#90)
"...while we continue to allow all the other customers to sit and enjoy their food in our dining room."
#93. To: misterwhite (#84)
I agree. If his business suffers because of his decision, it's on him.
#94. To: redleghunter (#0)
I would normally warn readers of the foul language, but given this is LF....
#95. To: Liberator (#92)
Isn't this entire public accommodation thing either all or nothing?
#96. To: Liberator, nolu chan (#92)
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
#97. To: GrandIsland, misterwhite (#93)
That's what makes a capitalist society great... if you hate too many as a business owner, you'll go out of business.
#98. To: Tooconservative, nolu chan (#96)
There is also the broad principle of "equal protection under the laws" in their favor as mentioned at the end of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.
#99. To: Tooconservative (#80)
However, that bakery refused service entirely to the homo. In this case, the homo barista did serve them their coffee but refused to allow them to stay and enjoy the premises as he allowed others to do, all based on his objection to their freedom of speech activities elsewhere in the neighborhood. But he did clearly discriminate against them and admitted it was because of their free speech activities that were conducted entirely outside his establishment.
#100. To: Liberator (#86)
THIS incident was intended only to underscore the hypocrisy and unequal application of the law in OTHER CASES. And that was the point being scored by the Christian coffee drinkers.
#101. To: Liberator (#86)
MOREOVER, it also underscored the disgusting degree of hatred, cowardice, contempt and militancy of the typical Homofascist (as well as a pro-atheist judiciary) of and for Christians.
#102. To: Liberator (#91)
What an absolutely disgusting homofascist display of hate, contempt, and...yes, demonic possession.
#103. To: Tooconservative (#96)
Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.
#104. To: Liberator, Nolu Chan (#98)
Why is it the ""equal protection under the laws" always seems ambiguous in cases AGAINST conservative causes, but specific and in support of in cases affecting the radical/homo cause?
#105. To: redleghunter (#104)
If ruled in favor of the Christian baker, a lot of state and city ordinances will be null and void.
#106. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#105)
One thing we know: Gorsuch is not timid. Not in arguments before the Court, not in conference, not in deference to Roberts. And he's been voting in lockstep with Clarence Thomas so far.
TITLE II--INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AGAINST DISCRIMINATION IN PLACES OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION
#107. To: Liberator (#88)
#108. To: redleghunter, nolu chan (#106)
SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, , or national origin.
#109. To: Tooconservative, Nolu Chan (#108)
I was going to quote the exact same thing in my earlier post but wasn't sure how the 1964 act has been altered in EOs or subsequent legislation. I think it has sex or gender in there now. I know 0bama was trying to do that via regulatory authority but I don't think he succeeded.
#110. To: redleghunter (#109)
#111. To: Tooconservative (#110)
I think we are both a little unsure exactly what the current state of the laws and regulations are after 0bama's unlawful orders and Trump's recissions of much of them.
N.Y. / Region
#112. To: redleghunter (#111)
There have been no SCOTUS decisions expanding the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to homosexuals.
#113. To: Tooconservative (#112)
Except for Obergefell which granted gay marriage and associated legal rights.
#114. To: Liberator (#97)
Only that model for business and philosophy was allowed to flourish during a DIFFERENT ERA of common sense, logic, and respect. (
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