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Title: LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’
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URL Source: https://www.intellihub.com/lvmpd-au ... -with-fully-automatic-weapons/
Published: Oct 4, 2017
Author: Shepard Ambellas
Post Date: 2017-10-06 13:48:39 by Deckard
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(INTELLIHUB) — Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department audio captured during last Sunday’s active shooting at Mandalay Bay resort and casino reveals how officers confirmed that there were at least two shooters firing down onto the crowd of concertgoers attending the Route 91 music festival. After a series of fully-automatic gunfire popped off and people started getting struck by flying rounds a team of law enforcement officers and another ‘element’ stormed the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay it was feared that there was an additional shooter on the 29th floor. “We have a four-man team up here and we have another element moving to us. We will need the 29th floor,” one officer said. “It sounds like it’s confirmed, there are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons.” Additionally, the audio recordings also reveal that a black Chevy dually pickup truck fled the parking lot during all of the commotions and that an older white male who was wearing fatigues and carrying a black bag was spotted retreating into a white RV by the Tropicana and the Motel 6. Pedestrians said that the man came from the area of the shooting. Pedestrians said that the man came from the area of the shooting and a team eventually converged on the white RV. At one point, a police car was commandeered by an unknown suspect while the two elements on the 32nd floor were cleared for 335 Zebra’s approach to the northernmost room. “This is 335 Zebra. I need to know if we have that floor evacuated other than our suspects. We got […] sniper going up,” a voice called out over the radio. That’s when 720 called in an confirmed he had a 12 man element entering the east side of the Mandalay Bay. [End Audio] It’s important to note that there may be a total media blackout and that other hotels may have been targeted. Keep in mind, the New York Times failed to report the hard details in the conglomerate piece titled “Chaos at a Concert and a Frantic Search at Mandalay Bay.” Leaked LVMPD audio reveals how the mainstream media is hiding crucial details about last Sunday’s shooting at the Route 91 music festival in Las Vegas
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#63. To: VxH (#62)
Only if you use all-original tracks. If people are downloading and doctoring their own digital files, you will have generational loss due to compression artifacting. The same thing happens each time you edit a JPG picture. If you edit in lossless files, you won't have generational loss. But most people don't do that outside a studio setup.
Compression artifacting doesn't magically create "muzzle flashes" that continue after the allegedly associated gunfire stops. Meanwhile - the audio data says what it says: ONE shooter. Why aren't the alleged "multiple shooters" firing at the same time - are they being polite and taking turns?
No, I'm rendering an opinion --- If you have evidence to the contrary, share it. Well, you must realize that your opinions can be viewed as conclusions, arrived at before all the evidence is in. Evidence is being gathered, lets hope it'll be shared.
I'd still like to see an analysis from the FBI audio labs of all the videos and their sound tracks. The FBI has had considerable audio expertise for decades. I am in the lone gunman camp too. I keep waiting for the CT fans to find a grassy knoll in Vegas where a second shooter hid.
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What's your conclusion regarding the 17 seconds between: ?
I think that the taxi driver was having loud noisy farts from eating some spicy tacos earlier in the day. That is my personal theory.
Yeah me too. A time line with links to the associated video/audio should be relatively easy to produce - especially given that most (if not all) cell phones update their time automatically - and the associated video will be timestamped accordingly. But don't hold your breath for the F.B.I. to produce it, or anything of value...
What's your conclusion regarding the 17 seconds between ------ I leave conclusions about such technology to experts. Do you style yourself as one? If so, I'll consider your opinion, while I await others. Fair enough?
Not only that, but in a crowd of 22 thousand at the concert, you would expect hundreds (certainly) or thousands (probably) to be holding up smartphones to record it. The videos could be synced to the action on stage and you could rather easily derive a proximate location in the crowd from which it was recorded. So I think there may be some "rich" A/V/location data to be gleaned and sifted. I can only assume the FBI is doing that but we have no reporting on it.
How hard is it to convince a culture of individuals who've been indoctrinated to believe they can change their gender... of, well, anything?
Uhuh. The same "experts" reviewing Hillary's emails. Breath, Holding... NOT.
Do you style yourself as an expert in this field? ---- If so, I'll consider your opinion, while I await others. --- Fair enough? Your last two posts are not an answer, so we're done. -- Feel free to babble on.
Funny how you can't seem to render an opinion when actual facts are involved. Wile E. Paine - Consteeetutional "expert" Super Genius fails again.
Funny how you can't seem to admit you're not an expert about the 'actual facts' (if they are facts) you've posted.. I know I'm not such an expert.
Don't need to be an "expert" super genius. It's simple science and math.
"EDUCATE THE COMMON PEOPLE, THIS IT IS THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE TO EFFECT AND ON A GENERAL PLAN" --Thomas Jefferson Gee, I don't get the impression Ol' Tom expected folks to sit with their head up their wherever waiting for an "expert" to explain things. Your "conservative" milage may vary.
I see a bit of eyewitness account is coming out about the supposed suicide note. I mentioned it earlier on another thread. CBS: In an interview airing Sunday on "60 Minutes," three police officers who stormed Stephen Paddock's hotel room in the Mandalay Bay hotel tell correspondent Bill Whitaker new details about the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history. The officers were the first to see Paddock's body and the arsenal of weapons and ammunition he had stockpiled. Officer David Newton from the Las Vegas Police Department's K-9 unit said he noticed a note on the shooter's nightstand once officers breached the room. He said the note was located near one of the windows that Paddock had smashed with a hammer to fire onto the crowd below with high-powered semi-automatic rifles outfitted to increase their rate of fire. "I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Newton said. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there." Paddock's hotel suite was on the 32nd floor of the hotel, looking down on the crowd across the street. More than 20,000 people were attending the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival when Paddock opened fire. The crowd was approximately 400 yards away, well within range of the expensive custom-made rifles found in his suite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNPrR9pP51E Las Vegas Cover Up: Video Shows 3 Extra Missing Windows On West Side of Mandalay Bay Hotel Qronos16 Antifa Literature Video footage of the Mandalay Bay’s exterior captured the morning after the massacre proves that three windows on the west face of the building were knocked out in addition to the two windows the media reported to be broken in the shooter’s suite and the adjacent room. - - - - - - - - - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO_wq9dv8Gc Mandalay Bay Casino: New Images and Questions *GRAPHIC* Headlines With A Voice - - - - - - - - - -
If you must know, echo is a return of the same sound after it has bounced off a distant object. Reverb is created electronically to mimic echo, but it originates from the same speakers being used as your source.
That was not a good video. Do you have a better video or some live footage that shows it?
Bzzzt.
[Vxh #55] The principle of "generations" doesn't apply to reproduction of digital video super genius. It does when the people creating the different versions are of unknown identity or motivation or reliability. The later generations are of unknown veracity. Copying is not 100% acurate, and compression may be used for Youtube posting. The super genius who presents your audio analysis identifies his masterpiece as being second generation. What was on the taxi driver's phone or whatever is the first generation. Unless he made his copy directly from her, he cannot produce a second generation. Assuming the Youtube video came directly from the taxi driver's phone, it would be second generation. Unless your super genius was using the taxi driver's recording device as his source, he did not even have second generation. Audio analysis presented at your #26: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CypkzhGr8FU Flashes vs Sound Analysis of Cori Langdon's Mandalay Bay Taxi Video From 0m34s to 0m46s, your super genius states, Your super genius says he did a second generation rendering, and as a result of his second generation rendition, he claims that the viewer cannot see the first flash. As you claim generations are bullshit, please explain what your super genius is talking about.
Even that has compression artifacts. Recording HD video in raw uncompressed (lossless) format takes vast amounts of storage. No smartphone can do it. Nor can any handheld cameras that are affordable to consumers. So even first-gen smartphones and consumer camcorders have some inevitable compression artifacts. And it only gets worse as you edit and recompress the video.
- - - - - - - - - - [nc #83] If you must know, echo is a return of the same sound after it has bounced off a distant object. Reverb is created electronically to mimic echo, but it originates from the same speakers being used as your source. - - - - - - - - - - [VxH #85] Bzzzt. www.physicsclassroo m.com/mmedia/waves/er.cfm - - - - - - - - - - Bzzzt. Your anonymous internet source with the broken link is not indicative of a super genius response, but that of a pedestrian dullard. In addition, the term you used was specifically reverb. I do not get word definitions from an anonymous internet source unrelated to English usage. Anonymous Youtube word usage on the internet does not change actual meaning, nor does resort to a different word. I use a top notch expert source dictionary. You explicitly used the term Reverb. You could have looked it up in a dictionary. Or you could DJ and you would learn the difference between reverb and echo. Bzzzt. As you want to know the difference between reverb and echo, here follows the sourced expert lesson. Reverberate. v. [intrans.] (of a loud noise) to be repeated several times as an echo: her deep booming voice reverberated around the room. · (of a place) appear to vibrate or be disturbed because of a loud noise: the hall reverberated with gaiety and laughter. · [trans.] archaic return or reecho (a sound) .... Archaic very old or old-fashioned. · (of a word or style in language) no longer in everyday use but sometimes used to impart old-fashioned flavor. The New Oxford American Dictionary, Second Edition, Oxford University Press, New York, 2005. Usage of reverberation to indicate return or echo is archaic. In currently accepted English usage, it may mean a loud noise repeated several times as an echo, her deep booming voice reverberated around the room.
Yes. All of that is correct.
For those into the sound of varying rapid fire weapons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ukY_Qy4TCQ Fact checking VEGAS LNT
His video is a screencap of him using the OpenShot video editor on a fairly modern Windows machine; this editor also runs on Linux and Macs. It takes a variety of video types as inputs (using the FFMpeg library to import them) including WebM (VP9), AVCHD (libx264), HEVC (libx265) and the usual MP3 and AAC audio types. OpenShot outputs to a variety of other formats (MPEG4, ogv, Blu-ray and DVD video, and Full HD videos). I used DownloadHelper, a Firefox extension, to choose a version of the video to download. The choices were: I grabbed the 720p H.264 version. Here are the video specs: The video is only 513Kbps, 1280*720 (16:9), at 30.000fps, AVC (High@L3.1)(CABAC/ 1 Ref Frames). The audio is 192Kbps, 44.1KHz, 2 channels, AAC (LC). Since it is a screengrab, we are definitely seeing a shrunk version of what the supergenius saw on his screen. I find it odd that he didn't include a finished version so people could see it at full resolution. At any rate, with a 720p 513Kbps H.264 video stream, you're lucky if you can see anything at all. That is really low quality video, especially for a night scene. We really don't know what the original footage from the taxi driver's phone was. So necessarily, a shrunken version shown in a screencapped video of an editor and compressed heavily by YouTube is not considered first-generation material. For that, you need a lossless format which no smartphones support. So any first-gen original video is going to be 720p or 1080p h.264 video, in all likelihood. And it would have been 4Mbps - 12Mbps video, not this puny 513Kbps crapfest that we're seeing from YouBoob. I am suspicious though. He could have just played a pixel-per-pixel original video and pointed at it with his mouse. Why the shrunken version and screencapped that way? It makes no sense if you want to accurately convey the original footage. He might also have applied some filters to try to make those flashes more visible. We just don't know. However it is entirely fair to discuss how this video has been recorded originally and the various stages of scaling and compression we are seeing. The use of the term first-generation or second-generation cannot be construed in the same way as we applied those terms to tape. But the cumulative effect of scaling and recompressing and screencapping cannot be denied, whatever term you choose to use to describe this degradation.
Correct. We are definitely not seeing the result of a bit for bit copying process. We are seeing the effects of multiple lossy processing.
We could also just be seeing fakes. Using advanced video processing software, you can do a lot of fake video. Using a tool like Nuke Studio, for instance. Or Nuke Non-Commerical and then you render your edits and just screencap the full playback. My point being, you can get incredibly powerful video editing and special effects generation using freely available software now. And if you have a big profitable YouTube channel, you can just buy the full Nuke Studio. You can look at this page to see how they used Nuke's compositing in the action scenes of Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes. There are literally hundreds of thousands of trained people in America who know how to use Nuke software. Not as many as Photoshop but still a lot. So you have a lot of talent out there to generate any and all kinds of fake videos.
I saw these at GP, hopefully the pix will show up here at LF. Gateway Pundit: Las Vegas Gunman Targeted Massive Aviation Fuel Tanks Those are 43,000 gallon fuel tanks that he shot at from 2,000 feet away. That is a very handy little graphic they produced.
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/er.cfm Reverb can be reproduced electronically, but it doesn't have to be.
Those AV tanks would need something a lot more higher in caliber than what Pollack had. He was an accountant and obviously not an engineer or physicist. :-) I worked with a few anti terrorist physical engineers prior to 9/11 and they used to laugh at post commanders worry some sniper could take out their fuel farms and cause an explosion. They would explain that a puncture and spillage (these were smaller tanks than the AV tanks in question) were possible and even an incendiary would just cause a heck of a fire but doubtful an explosion. I guess too many generals watched Rambo movies. :-)
Reverb. n. an effect whereby the sound produced by an amplifier or an amplified musical instrument is made to reverberate slightly. · A device for producing such an effect. The New Oxford American Dictionary, Second Edition, Oxford University Press, New York, 2005. You cite some anonymous person on the internet about a word you did not use. I cite a world renowned dictionary for the definition of the word you actually used. In any case, your usage for a different word is considered archaic.
We could certainly be seeing fakes. Even where a picture is real, a picture of two windows broken by a hammer does not prove bullets came out of them. One theory is that there were no flashes because the shooter used a suppressor and stood well back in the room. Simple room lights are clearly visible, but muzzle flashes are not. And, of course, a suppressor complicates explaining the sound that was clearly recorded by the taxi lady. The story sort of resembles Lee Harvey Oswald shooting magic bullets out of the Texas School Book Depository. Have you heard of Scott Edmisten? It is a curious possible connection. This is from Monday, October 2nd. Becky Campbell As the country was still reeling from the deadliest shooting attack in U.S. history, Washington County sheriff’s deputies arrested a man on a traffic stop, then found a cache of weapons — including what officials called two machine guns — and ammunition in his car. Sheriff Ed Graybeal said officers spotted a vehicle traveling 55 mph in a 30 mph zone on Old Jonesborough Highway around 4 a.m. Monday. The officer turned on his cruiser’s lights and siren to make the stop, but initially the vehicle sped up. About a half-mile from the initial stop attempt, and after speeding up to 80 mph, the car pulled over. Scott A. Edmisten, 43, 1915 Clearwood Drive, Johnson City, was arrested because his license was suspended for failure to appear in court on an unrelated matter. After officers took Edmisten into custody, they found the weapons: a loaded .357-caliber Magnum, a loaded .45-caliber semi automatic, a .223-caliber fully automatic AR rifle, a .308-caliber fully automatic AR rifle, more than 900 rounds of ammunition and survival equipment. Edmisten was charged with speeding, felony evading arrest and possession of prohibited weapons. Neither of the automatic weapons were registered, and there were no serial numbers on them, the sheriff reported. “The guns, he had made them fully automatic himself,” Graybeal said, adding that the AR 15’s receivers had been replaced to convert the weapon. “If you know what you’re doing, you can get the parts and do that.” At the Washington County Detention Center, Graybeal said Edmisten made threats toward the arresting officer and other staff and lunged toward investigators who were trying to question him. Because of Edmisten’s aggressive behavior, Graybeal said officers asked for a bond hearing before Edmisten could post bail. Investigators contacted the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives because of the unregistered fully automatic guns, Graybeal said. http://time.com/4969885/tennessee-submachine-guns-scott-edmisten/ Time.com [excerpt] Washington County Sheriff Ed Graybeal said Scott Edmisten won't talk, so officials are still trying to determine why he had the weapons, as well as a mask and black fatigues, when he was pulled over for speeding before dawn Monday. You might find guns with serial numbers filed off, but who makes/distributes guns with no serial number, if that is what was meant?
As the Clark County sheriff demonstrated repeatedly, sheriffs sometimes just shoot their mouths off stupidly. Chances are that there are some serial numbers or they were filed off. Beyond that, what advantage is there to removing serial numbers on these guns? Converting them to full-auto is what is going to put him in prison. The serial number issue is fairly minor by comparison. I'm not sure what jail time he'll get for this. Maybe 5 years?
The generals are about like the rest of us, I think. If something is an unknown, we reach into our storehouse of fake knowledge from watching too many silly movies and come up with this stuff.
SMH. The difference between Reverb and a simple Echo is that Reverb is a resonant effect rendered by multiple instances of the same wave pattern in the same space. Ever heard a sax player in the subway? Ever sing in the shower? REVERB. No electronics required. And that FACT renders your assertion: "Reverb is created electronically to mimic echo, but it originates from the same speakers being used as your source." FALSE.
You're being silly. Reverberation is an effect of sound reflection and absorption and has been studied extensively since the 19th century, long before anyone made some analog or digital reverb unit for music and recordings. Wiki: Reverberation Although it seems like an exercise for the retarded, let's examine Wiki's definition: Reverberation is frequency dependent: the length of the decay, or reverberation time, receives special consideration in the architectural design of spaces which need to have specific reverberation times to achieve optimum performance for their intended activity.[3] In comparison to a distinct echo that is a minimum of 50 to 100 ms after the initial sound, reverberation is the occurrence of reflections that arrive in less than approximately 50 ms. As time passes, the amplitude of the reflections is reduced until it is reduced to zero. Reverberation is not limited to indoor spaces as it exists in forests and other outdoor environments where reflection exists. Reverberation occurs naturally when a person sings, talks, or plays an instrument acoustically in a hall or performance space with sound-reflective surfaces.[4] The sound of reverberation is often electronically added to the vocals of singers and to musical instruments. This is done in both live sound systems and sound recordings by using effects units. Effects units that are specialized in the generation of the reverberation effect are commonly called reverbs. If you're saying that "he said reverb and reverb means reverb" and insisting that he was somehow talking about electronic musical effects, that's just silly. Clearly VxH was speaking of reverberation, a well-known phenomenon for well over a century, predating electronic music, analog/digital recordings, etc.
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#64. To: Tooconservative (#63)
#65. To: VxH (#46)
Admit it. -- At this point, you're jumping to conclusions.----- we all need to know a hell of a lot more about everything this creep was doing in the past.
#66. To: VxH (#64)
Meanwhile - the audio data says what it says: ONE shooter.
#67. To: tpaine (#65)
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#68. To: tpaine (#65)
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=mBbOFwWquAw&t=67s
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=mBbOFwWquAw&t=84s 
#69. To: VxH (#68)
What's your conclusion regarding the 17 seconds between:
#70. To: Tooconservative (#66)
I'd still like to see an analysis from the FBI audio labs of all the videos and their sound tracks.
#71. To: VxH (#68)
#72. To: VxH (#70)
A time line with links to the associated video/audio should be relatively easy to produce - especially given that most (if not all) cell phones update their time automatically - and the associated video will be timestamped accordingly.
#73. To: Tooconservative (#66)
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I keep waiting for the CT fans to find a grassy knoll in Vegas where a second shooter hid.
#74. To: tpaine (#71)
I leave conclusions about such technology to experts.
#75. To: tpaine (#71)
I leave conclusions about such technology to experts.
"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men , have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
#76. To: VxH (#75)
#77. To: tpaine (#76)
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#78. To: VxH (#77)
Funny how you can't seem to render an opinion when actual facts are involved.
#79. To: tpaine (#78)
#80. To: tpaine (#78)
I know I'm not such an expert.
#81. To: VxH, tpaine, nolu chan (#75)
A note found in the hotel room of the man who shot into a crowd from his perch in a Las Vegas high-rise included hand-written calculations about where he needed to aim to maximize his accuracy and kill as many people as possible.
#82. To: VxH, Tooconservative (#73)
Published on Oct 8, 2017
Published on Oct 3, 2017
#83. To: VxH (#58)
What's the difference between Reverb and Echo?
#84. To: nolu chan (#82)
Las Vegas Cover Up: Video Shows 3 Extra Missing Windows On West Side of Mandalay Bay Hotel
#85. To: nolu chan (#83)
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Reverb is created electronically to mimic echo,
#86. To: VxH (#55)
[nc #47] It means you have a vivid imagination or a third or fourth generation tape.
"There is an indication of the first flash that we can see in the video. It can't be seen probably in this rendering because I am doing a second generation rendering...."
#87. To: nolu chan (#86)
What was on the taxi driver's phone or whatever is the first generation. Unless he made his copy directly from her, he cannot produce a second generation.
#88. To: VxH (#85)
[VxH #58] What's the difference between Reverb and Echo?
Reverb. n. an effect whereby the sound produced by an amplifier or an amplified musical instrument is made to reverberate slightly. · A device for producing such an effect.
#89. To: Tooconservative (#87)
So even first-gen smartphones and consumer camcorders have some inevitable compression artifacts. And it only gets worse as you edit and recompress the video.
#90. To: All (#89)
Published on Oct 3, 2017
#91. To: nolu chan, VxH (#86)
"There is an indication of the first flash that we can see in the video. It can't be seen probably in this rendering because I am doing a second generation rendering...."
MPEG-4 (Base Media / Version 2): 17.5 MiB, 3mn 27s
1 Video stream: AVC
1 Audio stream: AAC
Overall bit rate mode: Variable
Overall bit rate: 707 Kbps
Encoded date: UTC 2017-10-06 02:46:55
Tagged date: UTC 2017-10-06 02:46:55
gsst: 0
#92. To: Tooconservative (#91)
the cumulative effect of scaling and recompressing and screencapping cannot be denied, whatever term you choose to use to describe this degradation
#93. To: nolu chan (#92)
#94. To: nolu chan, VxH, A K A Stone (#92)
#95. To: nolu chan (#88)
#96. To: Tooconservative (#94)
#97. To: VxH (#95)
Reverb can be reproduced electronically, but it doesn't have to be.
#98. To: Tooconservative (#93)
We could also just be seeing fakes.
Johnson City man arrested after loaded pistols, two machine guns, 900 rounds found during traffic stop
Updated Oct 2, 2017 at 5:15 PM
bcampbell@johnsoncitypress.com Man Found With Arsenal of Automatic Weapons Had Recently Lost Custody of His Kids
Rebecca Reynolds Yonker / AP
Oct 04, 2017
#99. To: nolu chan (#98)
You might find guns with serial numbers filed off, but who makes/distributes guns with no serial number, if that is what was meant?
#100. To: redleghunter (#96)
I guess too many generals watched Rambo movies. :-)
#101. To: nolu chan (#97)
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nolu chan posted on 2017-10-08 17:14:23 ET
#102. To: nolu chan, VxH (#97)
The New Oxford American Dictionary, Second Edition, Oxford University Press, New York, 2005.
Reverberation, in psychoacoustics and acoustics, is the persistence of sound after a sound is produced.[1] A reverberation, or reverb, is created when a sound or signal is reflected causing a large number of reflections to build up and then decay as the sound is absorbed by the surfaces of objects in the space – which could include furniture, people, and air.[2] This is most noticeable when the sound source stops but the reflections continue, decreasing in amplitude, until they reach zero amplitude.
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