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Title: LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’
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Intellihub/LVMPD
URL Source: https://www.intellihub.com/lvmpd-au ... -with-fully-automatic-weapons/
Published: Oct 4, 2017
Author: Shepard Ambellas
Post Date: 2017-10-06 13:48:39 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 31549
Comments: 115
(INTELLIHUB) — Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department audio captured during last Sunday’s active shooting at Mandalay Bay resort and casino reveals how officers confirmed that there were at least two shooters firing down onto the crowd of concertgoers attending the Route 91 music festival. After a series of fully-automatic gunfire popped off and people started getting struck by flying rounds a team of law enforcement officers and another ‘element’ stormed the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay it was feared that there was an additional shooter on the 29th floor. “We have a four-man team up here and we have another element moving to us. We will need the 29th floor,” one officer said. “It sounds like it’s confirmed, there are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons.” Additionally, the audio recordings also reveal that a black Chevy dually pickup truck fled the parking lot during all of the commotions and that an older white male who was wearing fatigues and carrying a black bag was spotted retreating into a white RV by the Tropicana and the Motel 6. Pedestrians said that the man came from the area of the shooting. Pedestrians said that the man came from the area of the shooting and a team eventually converged on the white RV. At one point, a police car was commandeered by an unknown suspect while the two elements on the 32nd floor were cleared for 335 Zebra’s approach to the northernmost room. “This is 335 Zebra. I need to know if we have that floor evacuated other than our suspects. We got […] sniper going up,” a voice called out over the radio. That’s when 720 called in an confirmed he had a 12 man element entering the east side of the Mandalay Bay. [End Audio] It’s important to note that there may be a total media blackout and that other hotels may have been targeted. Keep in mind, the New York Times failed to report the hard details in the conglomerate piece titled “Chaos at a Concert and a Frantic Search at Mandalay Bay.” Leaked LVMPD audio reveals how the mainstream media is hiding crucial details about last Sunday’s shooting at the Route 91 music festival in Las Vegas
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#2. To: Deckard (#0)
Additionally, the audio recordings also reveal that a black Chevy dually pickup truck fled the parking lot during all of the commotions That could easily be an ordinary person fleeing the scene in fear. The reports of multiple shooters should be examined, though in the chaos of a completely unexpected and deadly event like this, on-the-spot inaccuracies will be plentiful.
Yep. The "Taxi Driver" audio says only one shooter required. Why? ====================================== A graphic analysis of two sequential burts of gunfire from: https://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=mBbOFwWquAw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m7s Research resources: https://www.google.co m/search?biw=1544&bih=856&q=Forensic+Acoustics+gunfire http://www.physic sclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/er.cfm https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/las- vegas/historic http://www.csgnetwork.c om/soundspeedcalc.html
Do you understand the image you posted? I don't. Explain it.
It appears the echo times were widely divergent from different bursts. Of course, the sound of different bursts were very different, possibly shot from different sides of the building, possibly different vantage points in that same room. That "room" was huge. I think it was about 1,800 sq. ft. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0DluEQvs6I (Las Vegas Gunman’s Hotel Room) Room tour of mandalay bay 32-135 The shooter's sniper nest acesosicwitit The Killers room (Las Vegas Gunman’s Hotel Room) Room tour of mandalay bay 32-135 The shooter's sniper nest CREDIT Jeff Bridges
Different - but the same. Both bursts start the same. Burst B was longer, and per the clear terminating echo at Burst B,T2 - probably aimed at a target farther away. The length of the burst and the distance of the target created the section of pronged "reverb" - which is different from an "echo": https://www.google.com /search?source=hp&q=reverb+vs+echo&oq=reverb+vs+echo
Both bursts start the same. At about 0:05s of the 18 min video (at #4), there is a very loud, clear burst, sounding very close to the taxi. At about 0:44s of the 18 min video, there is a muffled report of another burst, sounding as if it were much further away, much higher up, or perhaps at another side of the building. These two bursts are audibly very, very different.
Between 1:07 and 1:44 There are three bursts Burst A (from the left window) Burst B (from the left window) The Burst begining at 1:40 is, I believe, from the right window - after the murderer moved there. The reverb section of burst B *sounds like* the burst from around the corner at 1:40. I think that's what's being misinterpreted. It's reverb - not a second shooter at the far window.
I think that's what's being misinterpreted. It's reverb - not a second shooter at the far window. These two bursts are audibly very, very different. I am specifically speaking of the bursts and not the echoes. As shots were taken from more than one vantage point, the echo times of bursts may not be comparable. The echos may have returned from different objects at different distances. The echo time differences would only indicate the shots were from different vantage points aimed in different directions. It would say nothing of the number of shooters, one or two. It does not measure the distance of the shooter(s) to the same distant object. They could do echo tests to see if both echo times can be duplicated from the 32nd floor vantage point to the taxi location.
Yep. That's because the murderer moved to a different window. The section of audio I focused on (1:07 to 1:24) contains a section where, in Burst B it *sounds* like ~both windows are being fired from at the same time. The reverb in Burst B isn't a second shooter... it's just reverb - in a longer burst with a more distant aiming point.
It could be. I hear two very different audible reports which indicate they came from different vantage points and perhaps came from different weapons. They do not tell me that one person did, or did not, fire both.
#23. To: nolu chan (#22)
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You mean like a different window - One of the TWO only open/broken windows in the hotel? If there were two murderers, why wouldn't they both be firing at the same time? There's no audio that I've seen/heard so far that demonstrates two weapons being fired at the same time.
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#3. To: Pinguinite (#2)
The reports of multiple shooters should be examined,
["Taxi Driver Video" the Zapruder Film of the Las Vegas shooting UNCUT / UNEDITED]
#5. To: VxH (#3)
#6. To: A K A Stone, VxH (#5)
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Do you understand the image you posted? I don't. Explain it.
Published on Oct 3, 2017
#7. To: nolu chan (#6)
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Of course, the sound of different bursts were very different,
#11. To: VxH (#7)
Different - but the same.
#13. To: nolu chan (#11)
#17. To: VxH (#13)
The reverb section of burst B *sounds like* the burst from around the corner at 1:40.
#18. To: nolu chan (#17)
These two bursts are audibly very, very different.
#22. To: VxH (#18)
Yep. That's because the murderer moved to a different window.
Replies to Comment # 22. from different vantage points
They do not tell me that one person did, or did not, fire both.
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