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Title: by Ron Paul, It’s Time to Leave Afghanistan
Source: antiwar.com
URL Source: http://original.antiwar.com/paul/20 ... its-time-to-leave-afghanistan/
Published: Dec 14, 2009
Author: Rep. Ron Paul
Post Date: 2009-12-14 18:46:51 by Palo Verde
Keywords: None
Views: 200
Comments: 14

Statement before the House of Representatives’ Foreign Affairs Committee on December 10, 2009.

Mr. Speaker thank you for holding these important hearings on US policy in Afghanistan. I would like to welcome the witnesses, Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry and General Stanley A. McChrystal, and thank them for appearing before this Committee.

I have serious concerns, however, about the president’s decision to add some 30,000 troops and an as yet undisclosed number of civilian personnel to escalate our Afghan operation. This "surge" will bring US troop levels to approximately those of the Soviets when they occupied Afghanistan with disastrous result back in the 1980s. I fear the US military occupation of Afghanistan may end up similarly unsuccessful.

In late 1986 Soviet armed forces commander, Marshal Sergei Akhromeev, told then-Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev, "Military actions in Afghanistan will soon be seven years old. There is no single piece of land in this country which has not been occupied by a Soviet soldier. Nonetheless, the majority of the territory remains in the hands of rebels." Soon Gorbachev began the Soviet withdrawal from its Afghan misadventure. Thousands were dead on both sides, yet the occupation failed to produce a stable national Afghan government.

Eight years into our own war in Afghanistan the Soviet commander’s words ring eerily familiar. Part of the problem stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation. It is our presence as occupiers that feeds the insurgency. As would be the case if we were invaded and occupied, diverse groups have put aside their disagreements to unify against foreign occupation. Adding more US troops will only assist those who recruit fighters to attack our soldiers and who use the US occupation to convince villages to side with the Taliban.

Proponents of the president’s Afghanistan escalation cite the successful "surge" in Iraq as evidence that this second surge will have similar results. I fear they might be correct about the similar result, but I dispute the success propaganda about Iraq. In fact, the violence in Iraq only temporarily subsided with the completion of the ethnic cleansing of Shi’ites from Sunni neighborhoods and vice versa – and all neighborhoods of Christians. Those Sunni fighters who remained were easily turned against the foreign al-Qaeda presence when offered US money and weapons. We are increasingly seeing this "success" breaking down: sectarian violence is flaring up and this time the various groups are better armed with US-provided weapons. Similarly, the insurgents paid by the US to stop their attacks are increasingly restive now that the Iraqi government is no longer paying bribes on a regular basis. So I am skeptical about reports on the success of the Iraqi surge.

Likewise, we are told that we have to "win" in Afghanistan so that al-Qaeda cannot use Afghan territory to plan further attacks against the US. We need to remember that the attack on the United States on September 11, 2001, was, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, largely planned in the United States (and Germany) by terrorists who were in our country legally. According to the logic of those who endorse military action against Afghanistan because al-Qaeda was physically present, one could argue in favor of US airstrikes against several US states and Germany! It makes no sense. The Taliban allowed al-Qaeda to remain in Afghanistan because both had been engaged, with US assistance, in the insurgency against the Soviet occupation.

Nevertheless, the president’s National Security Advisor, Gen. James Jones, USMC (Ret.), said in a recent interview that less than 100 al-Qaeda remain in Afghanistan and that the chance they would reconstitute a significant presence there was slim. Are we to believe that 30,000 more troops are needed to defeat 100 al-Qaeda fighters? I fear that there will be increasing pressure for the US to invade Pakistan, to where many Taliban and al-Qaeda have escaped. Already CIA drone attacks on Pakistan have destabilized that country and have killed scores of innocents, producing strong anti-American feelings and calls for revenge. I do not see how that contributes to our national security.

The president’s top advisor for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, said recently, "I would say this about defining success in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In the simplest sense, the Supreme Court test for another issue, we’ll know it when we see it." That does not inspire much confidence.

Supporters of this surge argue that we must train an Afghan national army to take over and strengthen the rule and authority of Kabul. But experts have noted that the ranks of the Afghan national army are increasingly being filled by the Tajik minority at the expense of the Pashtun plurality. US diplomat Matthew Hoh, who resigned as Senior Civilian Representative for the U.S. Government in Zabul Province, noted in his resignation letter that he "fail[s] to see the value or the worth in continued U.S. casualties or expenditures of resources in support of the Afghan government in what is, truly, a 35-year old civil war." Mr. Hoh went on to write that "[L]ike the Soviets, we continue to secure and bolster a failing state, while encouraging an ideology and system of government unknown and unwanted by [the Afghan] people."

I have always opposed nation-building as unconstitutional and ineffective. Afghanistan is no different. Without a real strategy in Afghanistan, without a vision of what victory will look like, we are left with the empty rhetoric of the last administration that "when the Afghan people stand up, the US will stand down." I am afraid the only solution to the Afghanistan quagmire is a rapid and complete US withdrawal from that country and the region. We cannot afford to maintain this empire and our occupation of these foreign lands is not making us any safer. It is time to leave Afghanistan.

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#1. To: Palo Verde (#0)

He should have thought of this when he voted for open , unending, undeclared war.

Pauls vote here:

H.J.RES.64

Title: “To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.” Click Here For Vote

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-14   23:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Palo Verde, Thor (#0)

Ron Paul, he was for the Afghan War before he was against it.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2009-12-15   0:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar, WhiteSands (#2)

What are you guys, anti war pussy faggots or something? If an enemy attacks you, you kill them. Ron Paul gets that. HE supported military action to kill Al Qaeda, he didn't support the direction it has taken as a nation-building mission and has been against funding ever since it took that direction. IT is nic having 20 20 hindsight and bein armchair quarterbacks but we don't have the benefit of a crystal ball.

What do you guys care? You guys like Palin and Bachmann and voted for McCain, zionist neo cons through and through who support the war in Afghanistan. You support the war.

Thor  posted on  2009-12-15   1:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Palo Verde (#0)

A friend forwarded this to me a few days ago. He stated that he knows the Marine who wrote it and he is still Active Duty. I can't personally verify it's authenicity, but it is an interesting read.

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Recon Marine Letter:

>From the Sand Pit. It's freezing here. I'm sitting on hard, cold dirt between rocks and shrubs at the base of the Hindu Kush Mountains , along the Dar 'yoi Pomir River , watching a hole that leads to a tunnel that leads to a cave. Stake out, my friend, and no pizza delivery for thousands of miles.

I also glance at the area around my ass every ten to fifteen seconds to avoid another scorpion sting. I've actually given up battling the chiggers and sand fleas, but them scorpions give a jolt like a cattle prod. Hurts like a bastard. The antidote tastes like transmission fluid, but God bless the Marine Corps for the five vials of it in my pack.

The one truth the Taliban cannot escape is that, believe it or not, they are human beings, which means they have to eat food and drink water. That requires couriers and that's where an old bounty hunter like me comes in handy. I track the couriers, locate the tunnel entrances and storage facilities, type the info into the handheld, shoot the coordinates up to the satellite link that tells the air commanders where to drop the hardware. We bash some heads for a while, then I track and record the new movement.

It's all about intelligence. We haven't even brought in the snipers yet. These scurrying rats have no idea what they're in for. We are but days away from cutting off supply lines and allowing the eradication to begin.

I dream of bin Laden waking up to find me standing over him with my boot on his throat as I spit into his face and plunge my nickel-plated Bowie knife through his frontal lobe. But you know me, I'm a romantic. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This country blows, man. It's not even a country. There are no roads, there's no infrastructure, there's no government. This is an inhospitable, rock pit shit hole ruled by eleventh century warring tribes. There are no jobs here like we know jobs.

Afghanistan offers two ways for a man to support his family: join the opium trade or join the army. That's it. Those are your options. Oh, I forgot, you can also live in a refugee camp and eat plum-sweetened, crushed beetle paste and squirt mud like a goose with stomach flu, if that's your idea of a party. But the smell alone of those 'tent cities of the walking dead' is enough to hurl you into the poppy fields to cheerfully scrape bulbs for eighteen hours a day.

I've been living with these Tajiks and Uzbeks, and Turkmen and even a couple of Pushtuns, for over a month-and-a-half now, and this much I can say for sure: These guys, all of 'em, are Huns...actual, living Huns. They LIVE to fight. It's what they do. It's ALL they do. They have no respect for anything, not for their families, nor for each other, nor for themselves. They claw at one another as a way of life.. They play polo with dead calves and force their five-year-old sons into human cockfights to defend the family honor. Huns, roaming packs of savage, heartless beasts who feed on each other's barbarism. Cavemen with AK-47's. Then again, maybe I'm just cranky.

I'm freezing my ass off on this stupid hill because my lap warmer is running out of juice, and I can't recharge it until the sun comes up in a few hours. Oh yeah! You like to write letters, right? Do me a favor, Bizarre. Write a letter to CNN and tell Wolf and Anderson and that awful, sneering, pompous Aaron Brown to stop calling the Taliban 'smart.' They are not smart. I suggest CNN invest in a dictionary because the word they are looking for is 'cunning.' The Taliban are cunning, like jackals and hyenas and wolverines. They are sneaky and ruthless, and when confronted, cowardly. They are hateful, malevolent parasites who create nothing and destroy everything else. Smart. Pfft. Yeah, they're real smart.

They've spent their entire lives reading only one book (and not a very good one, as books go) and consider hygiene and indoor plumbing to be products of the devil. They're still figuring out how to work a Bic lighter. Talking to a Taliban warrior about improving his quality of life is like trying to teach an ape how to hold a pen; eventually he just gets frustrated and sticks you in the eye with it.

OK, enough. Snuffle will be up soon, so I have to get back to my hole. Covering my tracks in the snow takes a lot of practice, but I'm good at it.

Please, I tell you and my fellow Americans to turn off the TV sets and move on with your lives. The story line you are getting from CNN and other news agencies is utter bullshit and designed not to deliver truth but rather to keep you glued to the screen through the commercials. We've got this one under control. The worst thing you guys can do right now is sit around analyzing what we're doing over here, because you have no idea what we're doing, and really, you don't want to know. We are your military, and we are doing what you sent us here to do.

You wanna help? Buy Bonds, America .

Saucy Jack

Recon Marine in Afghanistan

Semper Fi

"Freedom is not free... but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share."

Glitch  posted on  2009-12-15   1:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Thor (#3)

You support the war.

You support muslim murderers, nazis and skinheads.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-15   1:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: WhiteSands (#1)

Yes he made a mistake to vote for war on Afghanistan originally
but in order for a war to continue Congress has to vote the funding for it
Ron Paul always votes against funding the wars

Palo Verde  posted on  2009-12-15   2:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: WhiteSands (#6)

PS to my above post to you
there are only two ways to stop a war
for the Prez as CinC to order all the troops back home
or for Congress to refuse to fund it

Palo Verde  posted on  2009-12-15   2:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Palo Verde (#7)

there are only two ways to stop a war for the Prez as CinC to order all the troops back home or for Congress to refuse to fund it

Neither of them will do that. They are in way to deep with the military- industrial complex.

Sarajevo  posted on  2009-12-15   3:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Palo Verde, WhiteSands (#6)

Yes he made a mistake to vote for war on Afghanistan originally

I don't think he made a mistake. I don't think he thinks he made a mistake. We were attacked and the bastards who attacked us paid for it. We had to do something in Afghanistan.

Ron Paul is for a strong military, and a strong response if we're attacked. He's just not for bullshit nation building missions and continually votes against them.

Had he been President when we were attacked, he would have demnded a resolution of war from Congress, then he would have done the same thing. Kill the bastards. Only he wouldn't be rebuilding things at the taxpayers expense right now, or occupying a foreign nation and installing a puppet government.

The difference would have been, our troops would have come home the minute we had won the war. And we HAVE won the war. We're not fighting a war now, we're nation building. WhiteSands, would you have voted for the war? Would you vote against the nation building afterwards?

We The People  posted on  2009-12-15   7:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: WhiteSands (#1)

He should have thought of this when he voted for open , unending, undeclared war.

That is a less than honest statement and you should know it. But I doubt you do.

Paul voted to wage war on the Taliban and al Queda. Would you have voted the same way?

Paul votes against the nation building. If you wouldn't vote the same way you are no conservative.

We The People  posted on  2009-12-15   7:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ibluafartsky (#5)

Sorry, I don't support Obama's drones which attack pakistani and afghan citizens.

Thor  posted on  2009-12-15   10:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Thor (#11)

I know, you support muslim terrorists, IED's and Islamofacists.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-15   14:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Sarajevo (#8)

(Palo) there are only two ways to stop a war
for the Prez as CinC to order all the troops back home
or for Congress to refuse to fund it

(Sarajevo) Neither of them will do that. They are in way to deep with the military- industrial complex.

Bingo! you are right
Love, Palo

Palo Verde  posted on  2009-12-15   18:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: We The People (#9)

(Palo) Ron Paul made a mistake to vote for war on Afghanistan originally

(We the people) I don't think he made a mistake. I don't think he thinks he made a mistake. We were attacked and the bastards who attacked us paid for it. We had to do something in Afghanistan.

I think 9/11 was done by international gangsters and Arabs had nothing to do with it

the intel it came from Afghanistan was sent to George Bush by Tony Blair
The Taliban had just a few weeks before banned poppy growing
and they could enforce it
Britain controlled the heroin trade in and out of Afghanistan
The single purpose of removing the Taliban from power
was to restore the Afghanistan heroin
George Bush is not a drug dealer, he did not know this
he was hoodwinked by UK false intel whose sole purpose was to get him to do what he did
This is my own interpretation of everything which went on, others see it differently
Love, Palo

Palo Verde  posted on  2009-12-15   18:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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