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Title: Feinstein files bill banning “bump-fire stocks” and trigger cranks
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HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10 ... mp-fire-stocks-trigger-cranks/
Published: Oct 4, 2017
Author: Ed Morrissey
Post Date: 2017-10-04 16:23:08 by Tooconservative
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Views: 1688
Comments: 14
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) told reporters Tuesday that multiple bump-stocks were found in the hotel room used by the shooter, who opened fire during the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival Sunday, killing 58 people and injuring over 500 others. According to a copy of the bill text provided to ABC, it would go into effect 180 days after its passage. “It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a trigger crank, a bump-fire device, or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semi-automatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun,” the bill states. Jazz threw himself on this grenade, so to speak, earlier this morning by calling this a common-sense compromise in the wake of the Las Vegas massacre. Feinstein’s bill, at least at this stage, seems narrowly tailored to fit those parameters, and does address one key part of the mass shooting, which was the rapid fire across a wide range. Clark County investigators and the ATF found a dozen bump-stock devices attached to normally legal semi-automatic rifles, which allowed the madman to have de facto machine guns in his hands. The massacre itself is an object lesson as to why we have all but banned machine guns from private ownership, save for an extremely limited exception that is constantly monitored. Assuming that this legislative text remains as is, the bill would remove that discretion from the ATF. It would have no impact on weapons currently available for sale or possession, and its impact on gun owners will be minimal. Getting malefactors to surrender their current devices will be a challenge, but at least the line can be drawn. Feinstein’s bill doesn’t expand gun control as much as it acts to close a loophole on an existing ban. It will be tough to make a slippery-slope argument on this effort, and with Republicans on the defensive over gun rights at the moment, bump-fire stocks and Gatling cranks are also not the hill they’ll want to defend. In fact, some Republicans want to know why they’re legal at the moment: “I think it’d be a good time to have a hearing,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C, told NBC News. “Just find out, ‘How does the technology work?’ and is there a legislative solution.” Sen. Dean Heller, R-Nev., said he wanted to talk to gun makers about finding ways to prevent modifications to weapons. “One of the concerns that I have is the ability to manipulate a semi-automatic rifle and turn it into a fully automatic rifle,” Heller said. “There has to be a way to be able to stop this.” Voilà. But it’s curious that these devices were allowed in the first place. The ATF had no problem shutting down the Auto Glove a couple of weeks ago, which didn’t even modify the weapon itself. It has a rotating cylinder attached to the trigger finger of the glove, which allows for rapid trigger pulls. In their ruling, the ATF used US v Carter to define a trigger as “anything that … cause[s] the weapon to fire.” In that definition, the ATF ruled that “electrically-driven trigger devices are considered “machineguns” because they are a “combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun.” If that’s true of a glove — which is not attached to the weapon — why wouldn’t it be true of a bump-fire stock, which is a modification of the weapon itself? Indeed, Auto Glove’s response was that their product wasn’t installed on the weapon (a distinction the ATF rejected), and bump-fire stocks are a modification. Don’t expect too much resistance to Feinstein’s bill, as long as it remains this narrowly tailored. I’d be surprised if the NRA pushed back too hard on it, but they may expect Republicans to negotiate a national carry-permit reciprocity bill (which deals with a serious problem for law-abiding gun owners) as a trade-off. That’s … gonna be a stretch. Update: Republicans are already lining up behind the idea: — Scott Wong (@scottwongDC) October 4, 2017 Poster Comment: It'll pass. 80+ votes. Could be unanimous. This one will pretty much be a slam dunk, right? Unlike almost all other gun-control demands in the aftermath of mass shootings, this proposal actually does have something to do with the incident that it addresses: Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a longtime advocate of stricter gun control measures, introduced a bill Wednesday that would ban the sale and possession of ‘bump-stock’ equipment and other devices that essentially turn a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic one. While they’ve shown no interest in more sweeping gun restrictions, Republican senators suggested Tuesday that Congress should investigate modifications that in effect skirt the federal government’s virtual ban on automatic weapons. NEWS: Former @RepublicanStudy Chair @RepBillFlores (R-Texas) calls for ban on bump stocks in wake of Las Vegas shooting. Flores is gun owner
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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)
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Well that didn't take long. I'm going to take a wild ass guess. I bet the bill was already written, laying in a drawer, waiting for ______________ ??? Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I think she had a snit or two about these devices before but couldn't get anywhere until something like the Vegas massacre could be blamed on them. In a country of 330M people, all she had to do was wait for the shocking headlines.
Yeah, those need to go, obviously.
I think a lot of people are surprised that these were even legal, let alone a big product selling briskly all over the country rather cheaply. As little as $99 for some models. That's a lot of bang for the buck.
The hypocritical old bitch excretes paper. Fine.
I just wish I had an inventory of them to sell right now. Haven't even bothered to see how much the price has risen and never had much interest in one for my AR-15 since it'd reduce accuracy considerably - it would just be a curiosity.
I knew this crap would happen and thats why I did not buy one when they come out. I just knew they would outlaw it. Instead of outlawing pharmaceutical drugs that cause this behavior they go after the vehicle(weapon) that the mad man is driving!
Because you may need them when President Trump's Fema Clergy Response Team comes for your guns. Dianne and Donny, "weighing new gun laws"
3 days after the shooting. So much for the Senate being this great deliberative body. More like a great knee-jerk body.
I'm not that upset. These devices are not reliable in real-life situations. If you want to legalize machine guns, then just do it. But the public is not crying out for legal machine guns. And they won't be. So why allow these devices that simulate full-auto fire by skirting the law that allows semi-auto weapons (one pull, one bullet semi-auto guns)? From the first time I saw these things, I thought of what would happen when a nutjob decided to use one in a mass shooting. That was maybe 3 years ago. Well, we just found out.
They take practice. I'm doubtful they'd be useful in a high-stress situation. That said, it sure does look like the people in the videos are having a shit- load of fun. Eliminate the bump-fire stock and shooters will simply use their belt loops. Plenty of instructive videos out there, but I like these two country boys: Coming up next from the vacuous Feinstein, a bill to eliminate belt loops.
Well, maybe the Vegas shooter will be shown on film, also enjoying his bump-fire products as he shoots 500 people. I knew about that trick. I think it is total dumbassery for people to make vids about it. That's paving the path to outlawing all semi-autos at a future date.
Apparently he recorded his shooting. So maybe we will see that. "That's paving the path to outlawing all semi-autos at a future date." Now that would total dumbassery -- banning a product used legally nationwide because one or two people use it illegally.
Which wouldn't slow down the gungrabbers one iota.
#2. To: Stoner (#1)
#3. To: Tooconservative (#0)
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#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
#5. To: Tooconservative (#0)
File it.
Fvck it.
Forget it.
#6. To: Tooconservative (#4)
I think a lot of people are surprised that these were even legal, let alone a big product selling briskly all over the country rather cheaply. As little as $99 for some models. That's a lot of bang for the buck.
#7. To: Tooconservative (#0)
#8. To: Tooconservative, Fake Bibles, False Witness, Real Tryants (#0)
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some Republicans want to know why they’re legal at the moment:
#9. To: Tooconservative (#0)
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a longtime advocate of stricter gun control measures, introduced a bill Wednesday
#10. To: misterwhite (#9)
#11. To: Tooconservative (#10)
These devices are not reliable in real-life situations.
#12. To: misterwhite (#11)
They take practice. I'm doubtful they'd be useful in a high-stress situation. That said, it sure does look like the people in the videos are having a shit- load of fun.
Eliminate the bump-fire stock and shooters will simply use their belt loops. Plenty of instructive videos out there, but I like these two country boys:
#13. To: Tooconservative (#12)
Well, maybe the Vegas shooter will be shown on film, also enjoying his bump-fire products as he shoots 500 people.
#14. To: misterwhite (#13)
Now that would total dumbassery --
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