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Title: Las Vegas mass shooting: more than one shooter?
Source: No More Fake News
URL Source: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/ ... hooting-more-than-one-shooter/
Published: Oct 2, 2017
Author: Jon Rappoport
Post Date: 2017-10-03 06:51:39 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 7994
Comments: 66

This is my second report on the tragic mass murder in Las Vegas on Sunday night (first report here).

I’m looking at a Getty image of two broken windows claimed to be on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel, where the shooter purportedly fired an automatic weapon(s) at concert goers. I count 10 intact windows going around a corner of the building between the two broken ones. These broken windows are from the same hotel room? That’s questionable, and worth checking. If the windows are from two adjacent rooms, it suggests the likelihood of more than one shooter.

Las Vegas police scanner audio on first call-out to the hotel records an officer emphatically saying the shots are coming from half-way up the hotel. The hotel has 43 stories. The 32nd floor is where police claim they found shooter Stephen Paddock’s dead body and his cache of weapons. Perhaps the police officer was estimating when he said “half-way up.” If not, he was seeing shots fired from lower in the hotel. That would suggest the possibility of multiple shooters on different floors.

The latest estimate: 58 dead, 515 injured. It’s expected that more dead and wounded will be reported.

Variety.com states: “…the shooting rampage that police have said lasted about four and a half minutes.”

515 wounded, 58 killed in four and a half minutes.

That would come out to an average of one person killed or injured every 2.1 seconds.

The question arises: how likely is it that one person, particularly Stephen Paddock, was the shooter, since according to his brother, Stephen was “not an avid gun guy at all…He has no military background or anything like that.”

I’ve still not seen a definitive statement about what kind of auto weapon(s) Paddock was supposedly using. One television commentator mentioned it would have been very, very expensive.

Initial reports of more than one shooter were quickly dismissed this morning.

The possibility of more than one (professional) shooter is real—and Paddock is not a candidate whose apparent lack of experience and background makes him an immediate choice…

These are questions, not conclusions, and they should remain open questions—in distinction to mainstream news, which has, as usual, gone along with blinders, taking dictation from law enforcement:

One shooter, dead, case closed.

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#27. To: Tooconservative, buckeroo (#26)

I'm still waiting for you to post this video of the killer during his attack.

Hondo68  posted on  2017-10-03   14:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Tooconservative (#19)

Sometimes I think my efforts to offer creative posts goes entirely unappreciated here.

Yeah. I feel the same way about my insightful, intelligent, perspicacious yet witty observations.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-03   14:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite (#28)

Yeah. I feel the same way about my insightful, intelligent, perspicacious yet witty observations.

It's tragic to be so misunderstood by small-minded and jealous people.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   15:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: hondo68 (#27)

At least Ted was firing a real machine gun. He looked almost as tough as Ma Feinstein with a Thompson or Bugsy Schumer with his Uzi.

Didn't Ted have another one where he fried bacon on a machine gun barrel while shooting it as a campaign stunt?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   15:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: hondo68 (#24)

There's got to be a lot of bullets around the area from his misses, as well as the ones they dig out of the victims. Varying trajectories could prove multiple gunmen/women, in other locations.

Should be easy enough to match the bullets to the recovered weapons. If a number of intact bullets don't match, that could mean more than one shooter.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-03   15:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Tooconservative (#29)

It's tragic to be so misunderstood by small-minded and jealous people.

Yes. Yes it is. But don't you pay them fools no never mind. Just follow their advice and "keep it up".

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-03   15:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tooconservative (#30)

He looked almost as tough as Ma Feinstein with a Thompson or Bugsy Schumer with his Uzi.

Yeah. Or Dukakis in his tank.

(By the way, there's no such thing as an M29. Cruz was shooting the M249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon). As though he thought it was going to bite him.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-03   15:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: tpaine, Deckard, y'all (#21)

Thank you...

Those may read your posts but may nod in agreement. It's not a large forum as you well know.

I can only speak for myself, but I hope I speak for the majority of us on subjects like this.

I am past SICK of Statist apologists of the status quo whose job or task in life it seems is, "NOTHING TO SEE HERE...KEEP MOVING...WE WON'T TELL YOU AGAIN."

From the SAME type of person:

"If you've noticed the Runaway Train that just whizzed by your nose, the one was somehow diverted onto a closed track and gone over the cliff, you are obviously too cynical or delusional a person. That fireball and plume of smoke, and unmistakable squealing of twisting steel are a mirage or figment. Well, at least until we can at least consult those who KNOW FOE SURE.

"Perhaps it was a misguided Train engineer who got merely lost. BECAUSE STUFF HAPPENS. Are you SURE your imagination, common sense and logic aren't failing you? Maybe you should sit down, relax, and have a spot of tea."

From these same folks I sense a creepy aura and stench of Gaslighting-On-Steroids. It's just fascist totalitarianism hiding behind a flag. OR their ideological establishment cultists.

Pay no attention to a Congress that is now approximately HALF Communist. Pay NO attention to those suit in the halls of Congress (R) who are selling out America; Or removing constitutional safeguards of and for our Freedoms and Liberties, but insisting that, LESS Freedom and Liberty will make us "safer."

The typical Party apparatchik has had great practice and rehearsal at "damage control" -- convincing those within his/her sphere of influence who are about to add 2+2 NOT to (because the "right" authoritah has NOT confirmed the answer of "4" yet...OR EVER.) Their task is to impede the reaching for Red Pills of Discovery and Reality at all costs; And maintain ample reasons to continue ingesting Blue Pills. Because Blue Pill make for complacent, compliant nodding in-curious drone.

Ever notice how these tools endorse EVERY single bizarre unconstitutional gubmint policy? Every inexplicable event? Every warped explanation for the rampant il-logic of the Establishment Machination? NO MATTER WHAT??

It's quite the balancing act -- feigning logic, common sense, and a curiosity and demand for THE truth -- while engaging in the dismissive, distraction, diversion, discrediting, ostracizing, and demeaning the revelations of THE Truth. NOT gonna wash here. Or in many other places these days.

The obnoxiously dismissive, "Oh...A 'TRUTHER'??" seem to be the BIG "SHUT DOWN" word/phrase -- coincidentally invented and weaponized by those who did NOT want the REAL Truth reveal regarding 911.

The #2 use of the tactical preemptive Conversation-Ended, "OH, A TRUTHER!?!" was weaponized in order to defend 0bama from scrutiny. WHICH KINDS OF PEOPLE USE BOTH PHRASES??

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-03   15:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Tooconservative (#30)

Real men shoot the .308 -- the M60

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-03   15:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Tooconservative (#30) (Edited)

Didn't Ted have another one where he fried bacon on a machine gun barrel while shooting it as a campaign stunt?
That appears to be just a semi AR. He calls it machine gun bacon, but he never goes full auto, if it's even an option on that thing.

The Canadian Rambo one I posted is better, eh?

Hondo68  posted on  2017-10-03   15:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: misterwhite (#35) (Edited)

Real men shoot the .308 -- the M60

C'mon, that's a fake Russian so that video is #FakeNews.

You notice the damned thing is so heavy that he shot it one-handed. It must weigh 40-50 pounds. It doesn't even try to climb.

Ooopsie, I was wrong. Wiki sez it is 23.15 lbs.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   15:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: hondo68 (#36)

Yeah but the Canadian Rambo one I posted is better, eh?

Better, worse, who knows? Neither one helped Lyin' Ted win the GOP nomination
against Yosemite Don, the fastest gun north, south, east, aaaand west of the Pecos.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   15:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: 'Mr Obsessed with Masturbation' (#32)

Tooconservative, Well, I was being just a little sarcastic... It's tragic to be so misunderstood by small-minded and jealous people.

misterwhite, --- Yes. Yes it is. But don't you pay them fools no never mind. Just follow their advice and "keep it up".

Sarcasm about keeping it up is lost on idiots.

tpaine  posted on  2017-10-03   16:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: tpaine (#39)

Sarcasm about keeping it up is lost on idiots.

Willie Green  posted on  2017-10-03   16:18:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: tpaine (#39)

Sarcasm about keeping it up is lost on idiots.

And on guys who don't have a problem keeping it up.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   16:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Willie Green (#40)

Sarcasm about keeping it up is lost on idiots.

Gotta love it when a post about his ding-a-ling is posted by a willy.

tpaine  posted on  2017-10-03   17:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Tooconservative (#26)

I'm still waiting for you to post this video of the killer during his attack.

Since the equipment was impounded by the FBI for their evaluation and later release, what do you want me to do? Give Jimmy Comey a call and tell him to get a move on?

It should be easy to find since it is the top story everywhere.

It is a hush, hush super-duper secret.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-03   17:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#1)

He took a video of himself performing the atrocity, even to include his own suicide.

I see some reporting now that there is a video of him shooting, no mention that it showed his suicide.

There's also a photo of a table that may hold a suicide note.

NYPost: Las Vegas gunman filmed himself during slaughter

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   18:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Tooconservative (#44)

It is great to understand that you are looking for data about this tragic event. Why would anyone film their own atrocity perpetrated on innocent people?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-03   18:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#45) (Edited)

Why would anyone film their own atrocity perpetrated on innocent people?

Why would anyone shoot 500 people as a prelude to suicide?

We may never know. Some people are just quietly evil or become deranged over time.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   18:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Tooconservative (#46)

Based on "leaked" evidence, there were no traces of Muslim influence ... so I disregard any ISIS influence. This guy was a loser in life. Who the phuck sits around gambling halls for weeks on end, much less a few hours, without losing their shirts? Not this loser playing BIGSHOT; he was a complete asshole.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-03   18:41:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Tooconservative, buckeroo (#46) (Edited)

Paddock, possible suicide note

Vegas Shooter Filmed Himself During Slaughter, May Have Left A Note; Suicide Photo Emerges

Hondo68  posted on  2017-10-03   19:03:41 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: hondo68 (#48)

He did look a lot better in his pussy hat.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   19:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: buckeroo (#47)

Well, he certainly liked gambling. Like he was addicted to it.

HotAir: Motive? Vegas shooter was gambling as much as $30,000 per day recently; Update: Wired $100,000 to Philippines

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   19:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Tooconservative (#50)

Weird mutherphucker, huh? Who the phuck does that? An Insane phucker who lied to himself, family and society.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-03   19:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo (#51)

All the articles keep saying it just gets stranger the more they discover.

If he'd gambled away his wealth and, being a Shitlery supporter, decided to take 50 likely Republicans with him, that might explain it. But he did a dry run on that September 1 concert venue as well, not country music.

We may never know.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   19:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TooConservative, aka, StatistApologist (#34)

Yes TC, I was referring to you regarding Post #34.

Yes, you with the 8x11 glossy of Henry The K on your nightstand, Keep up the good work through college and beyond! H

A glaring problem that's always been curious -- you aren't quite "TooConservative". When you assigned yourself that moniker (obviously as a joke), did stretching the definition of "conservative" into the next Solar System give you any pangs of guilt? Or did it just...cause you to snicker?

"TooConservative": -- An Statist apologist, Eraser-of-CTs, and Globalist-Elitist water-carrier. Blue-Pill Pez dispenser. An opinion spinmeister rep for every occasion. Defender of 2 + 2 = 3. (There ALWAYS seems to be a missing number/factor SOME how SOME where are far as you can see.)

Sure, some may consider you a mere Republican/Statist/Globalist Party Apparatchik, defending the system's/institution's "honor" (which have looong since devolved into Swamp Effluence.)

Ok, sure -- Let's give you the benefit of doubt even when you're obviously feigning even-handed curiosity at times; Nevermind your condescendingly understated technique and air of pomposity that the MSM MUST. BE. RESPECTED. And DC. MUST BE RESPECTED. (And the DPST and Alphabet Soup agys would NEVER hurts us. OR Donald Trump.)

Certainly we MUST defer to the Washington Post and certainly NOT Infowars. Because one is wrong at least half the time; The OTHER? Well...it's sad that even a so-called "Republican" statist MUST defer to WaPo as a source of "Truth." EVER.

Yes, you've been quite the busy little bee lately. Good to see since you've stepped it up while seemingly losing your mojo several days ago. Will you kindly let us all know when the "proper authoritahs" have ferreted out the Truth? I mean ALL of it!...

911/0bama's Birth, Newtown, San Bernadino, BLM & Antifa, Clinton & Comey, and yes, of course the NFL-BLM connection as well as the "Lone Wolf" in Vegas. But ONLY "officially," of course. Preferrably from EJ Dionne or someone "credible."

I must say -- thumbs up for some very commendable propaganda...er..spin...er...work you do here at such a little forum -- however your talent/service may well be wasted :-( If ONLY Mitch McConnell needed a forum point man to counter the Trumpettes army of malicious Tea Party remnants that keep hounding him...

Q: How many TCs can fit on the head of a NWO pin?

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-03   20:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tooconservative (#22)

You're waaaay behind the curve as usual. That's what happens when your primary source of "news" is Yahoo and WaPo.

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-03   20:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Liberator (#53) (Edited)

Yes TC, I was referring to you regarding Post #34.

You were? I hadn't noticed.

I must say -- thumbs up for some very commendable propaganda...er..spin...er...work you do here at such a little forum...

LF is generally the opinion leader of the entire news industry. So we concentrate on blocking all the kook stories right here, before they hit Drudge or Jones' InfoWars.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   20:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#54)

You're waaaay behind the curve as usual. That's what happens when your primary source of "news" is Yahoo and WaPo.

You haven't produced any reporting to substantiate that.

And what is your primary source? A bong and a few jumbo malt liquor bottles? Complain all you like but let's see you produce anything evidence-based from any reporter or organization with any credibility based on past performance.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   20:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Liberator (#53) (Edited)

Wolf Blitzer in the Situation Room knows all. Within two minutes the shooter was determined to be a Lone Wolf, not terrorist, average Lockheed Martin Joe accountant who snapped for no reason at all. If you don't believe me, ask TC!

/s

Hondo68  posted on  2017-10-03   22:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: hondo68, Liberator (#57)

Let's look at a few of the prime CT purveyors, caught here in a fairly rare exchange where they interview each other and babble on like deranged morons.

The gay neurotic of IW interviews the intrepid boy reporter from GP.

So if they fall apart so easily, just where are you guys going for your daily dose of heavy-breathing CT material?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-04   9:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Tooconservative (#37)

C'mon, that's a fake Russian so that video is #FakeNews.

Nah. He's a real Russian with a fake accent. His real voice is like Barney Fife.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-04   9:38:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Tooconservative (#58)

How can you listen to that crap? I went 90 seconds. That's all I could handle.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-04   9:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: misterwhite (#59)

Wrong.

Wiki:

FPSRussia was a popular YouTube and Twitch.tv channel consisting of videos involving firearms and explosives. The videos feature Kyle Myers, an American born in Lavonia, Georgia, USA, playing the role of Dmitri Potapoff, a heavily accented Russian from Moscow. Each video on the channel generally has Myers explaining the characteristics of the weapons he will use in that video (occasionally telling the history behind it and sometimes explanations of its purpose), before he demonstrates their abilities on targets such as fruits, drink bottles, zombie targets, and photos of Justin Bieber in his earlier videos.[1][2] The FPSRussia channel reached the 1 million subscriber mark in June 2011, at present, his channel has garnered 6 million+ subscribers.[3] Myers has used largely varying pieces of equipment along with weapons that have been featured in his videos such as a golden AK-47, an armored troop carrier,[4][5] a .50BMG rifle, and a Bofors 40 mm automatic anti-aircraft cannon.

After an announcement video in December 2012 and a successful Kickstarter campaign, FPSRussia released "FPS Russia: The Game" on the App Store for iOS devices in March 2013 with developer Zaah.[6]

In August 2017, he was arrested for felony possession of marijuana with intent to distribute.[7]

. . .

Before Myers started FPSRussia, he ran a channel named "klm5986". He also had a YouTube channel called "FPSKyleletsplays" under the name FPSKyle. His YouTube channel often featured videos from other YouTube personalities, such as xSocrates. He later wanted to show how guns worked in real life and to compare them to how they are portrayed in video games, films, and television shows.[8] He got the idea for a Russian accent while working at a car dealership. One of his co-workers was Russian and he took an interest in impersonating his accent. His uncle was also a prankster and used to use the accent while talking to Kyle while he was five years of age. He used the accent to create the character Dimitri and what followed was him filming himself shooting guns on his family farm in Georgia. Myers also runs a third channel known as FPSRussiaTV.[9] After a nine-month hiatus, on January 10, 2014, FPSRussia returned to YouTube.[10] However, it was only for a short time, as the channel has been inactive since April 2016.

Another life ruined by Da Ganja. Won't you ever learn?     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-04   9:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: misterwhite (#60)

How can you listen to that crap? I went 90 seconds. That's all I could handle.

You missed the best parts of the Intrepid Boy Reporter's meltdown. I thought he was gonna start crying or sucking his thumb.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-04   9:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Tooconservative (#61)

Another life ruined by Da Ganja. Won't you ever learn?

Yeah, I know his "accent" story. I was messin' with ya.

"In August 2017, he he he was arrested for felony possession of marijuana with intent to distribute."

That I didn't know. But you say he went off YouTube in 2016?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-04   10:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Tooconservative (#62)

You missed the best parts of the Intrepid Boy Reporter's meltdown. I thought he was gonna start crying or sucking his thumb.

I'll take your word on that.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-10-04   10:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: misterwhite (#63)

That I didn't know. But you say he went off YouTube in 2016?

Wiki sez...

I dunno, I didn't read it elsewhere. But in Georgia, the trigger for prosecution is pretty low. How much reporting on pot busts do you hear about now unless it is in quantities of hundreds of pounds.

He did always strike me as a skinny stoner when he started. Then he packed on weight, probably with steroids, as he developed his Dimitri character. And he did look better heavier and shooting the big guns. He fit the Hollyweird stereotypes better.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-04   10:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Deckard (#0)

Las Vegas mass shooting: more than one shooter?

It appears that way.

1m00s

Look for muzzle flash at about 27s mark. Video from car (taxi?) at ground level. Not anywhere near 32nd floor.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ12xTxs6Ok

18m39s

muzzle flash at 5m:00s

Extended version of first video. Very clear audio of early gunshots.

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nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-05   5:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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