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Title: Trump doesn't want to say too much about the Las Vegas shooting because he's part of the problem (Liberal Puke)
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Independent
URL Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices ... ent-part-problem-a7978956.html
Published: Oct 2, 2017
Author: Will Gore
Post Date: 2017-10-02 10:29:58 by Willie Green
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Views: 2835
Comments: 42
Las Vegas is the city that perhaps most obviously symbolises America’s love affair with the world of entertainment. Its themed hotels, the residencies of huge music stars, the casinos, the coloured illuminations: pulled together they offer the chance to be thrilled and, if you’re lucky, get rich – all under the gaze of a thousand fluorescent lightbulbs.
This morning, however, Vegas is facing up to a much darker reality following the death of at least 50 concertgoers at the hands of a mass murderer. The city that styles itself as the entertainment capital of the world is also now the holder of a much less wanted title as the site of America’s deadliest shooting.
In the immediate aftermath of the killings, seemingly perpetrated by a man shooting into a crowd from his hotel balcony, thoughts turn to those who have died or been injured, and to the emergency services who have faced a scene of barely imaginable horror. How, we must all wonder, could a person inflict such deliberate pain and suffering on people who were innocently enjoying a musical show? It is a question we have asked in the UK this year too.
Donald Trump look to Twitter to offer his “warm condolences” to the victims, in a turn of phrase that was archetypically odd. Notably he made no immediate comment about the identity of the killer, said to be a local white man in his 60s, who does not fit Trump’s vision of a terrorist. There will be much debate about Trump’s reaction and about the terminology used to describe this tragedy.
Unavoidable too will be a reopening of that grand old American pastime: debating whether gun laws are to blame for a massacre.
The regulations in Nevada are lax, even by US standards. Permits and licences are, it seems, an unnecessary burden for people who want to hang around town tooled up to the nines. State law makes no particular reference to automatic weapons of the sort which appear to have been used in this incident, although federal legislation prohibits the possession of fully automatic weapons unless they were registered before 1986.
In some ways though, the legal minutiae can be a distraction. The basic facts are that gun homicides in America run into the thousands every year – over 12,000 in 2015, up markedly on the previous year. The number of suicides by shooting is also staggering: over 22,000 in 2015. All in all, up to 100,000 people annually will die or be injured as the result of gun use. All four of the biggest mass killings have happened in the last decade.
True, America’s annual firearm-related death rate (10.54 per 100,000 of population in 2014) compares well to some other countries – if those other countries happen to be Brazil (21.2) or El Salvador (45.6 in 2011). But set against France (2.83 in 2012), the UK (0.23 in 2011) or Australia (0.93 in 2013), it would take an ideologue or a madman to conclude that US gun policy is serving the country well.
President Obama recognised the lunacy of America’s attitude to guns. His rage at the deaths witnessed during his time in office became ever more apparent with every high-profile shooting; yet the rage was matched only by his inability to bring about sufficiently substantive change.
Obama’s successor is not cut from the same cloth; indeed, he has rallied the gun lobby to his side, declaring in a speech to the National Rifle Association (NRA) in April that his election had brought an “eight-year assault” on gun ownership rights to a “crashing end”. He has regularly trotted out the line beloved of those who support the right to bear arms – that if more people carried weapons there would be more “good guys” around to head off the “bad buys” when they strike. It is intellectual gibberish of the highest order.
The other favoured mantra of the NRA and its fans is that “it isn’t guns that kill, it’s humans”, which would be laughable for its disingenuousness if the consequences weren’t so severe.
Fifty people in Las Vegas would not be dead if a man had thrown punches or rocks from his hotel room instead of firing a machine gun. Bereaved families would not have to wonder if their loved ones died in excruciating pain from wounds inflicted by bullets. Emergency services would not be dealing with a shortage of blood supplies with which to treat the injured.
Trump will doubtless tell the world that this incident was the act of a lone wolf, perhaps a man who was mentally unstable. Maybe we will find out that the killer had access to an unlawful weapon. We may find he had ideological motives too. Trump will find excuses to avoid pinning responsibility on the US’s constitutional attachment to deadly firearms.
The truth that Trump will not face up to is that America’s disastrous relationship with guns is getting worse. Indeed, he cannot face up to it; because he, the entertainer-President, arch-appeaser of the gun lobby, is part of the problem. Trump took to Twitter to offer his 'warm condolences' to the victims, in a turn of phrase that was archetypically odd. Notably he made no immediate comment about the identity of the killer, said to be a local white man in his 60s – and we know where he stands on the NRA
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)
Why? Because he dares to stand up to progressives? I could be wrong but when the dust settles we will find out he is a mentally ill demoncrat pissed off at the world(like a super majority of mass-murders). Like always demoncrap jump out with bs and will never be held accountable for being wrong slash posting propaganda!
Truth: Americans want their guns, and in the aggregate they are willing to tolerate the death rate that comes with them. The same is true of Americans and their alcohol, their cigarettes, their cars, their fast foods, their airplanes, their prescription drugs. Individual opinions vary widely, but as long as the aggregate is devoted to gun rights, incidents such as this one will not change to law..
Definitely a libtard, a Republican voter with dyed green hair? This entire scenario reeks of a Manchurian Candidate type of person. Mentally ill, on various drugs, seeing "mental health professionals" and a loner. He was triggered, and went off. All of the above is speculation, but fits my profile of the guy. Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
What if he threw sticks of dynamite or homemade bombs or poison gas?
And when that occurs this story will go away so fast it will seem like it never happened.
Notice that libmedia is immediately peddling the idea that this was "machine gun" or "automatic" gunfire. There is no evidence thus far that the perp used any fully automatic weapons in his attack. The intent is to blur the lines between various weapon types to use a massacre to push for more restrictive gun laws.
What if he threw sticks of dynamite or homemade bombs or poison gas? misterwhite Very true. = I have seen home made 'bowling ball' mortars throw projectiles well beyond 300 yards. It wouldn't be hard to fashion a 'Molotov cocktail' shell of that size. Willy, - can imagine that kind of fireball exploding in a dense crowd? Should gasoline be banned?
Sounds like he had a gambling problem sued a casino for falling ban gambling casinos open air concerTs too love If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Crush The Left and move on.
The whole point is being missed here. No one can know when a a gun will be used for mass murder. The problem existed before Trump, and will exist long after him. The problem is culture and the idea that guns are necessary in every home. Not one gun protected anyone from this assault, there was no bystander carrying a weapon who could intervene. This means the shooter demolished the arguments of the NRA. You cannot protect against a planned attack unless you make the possession of weapons difficult
Just the opposite. Proves government can not protect you and you have to protect yourself. The shooting lasted 2 hours. The gunman killed himself in the end. Its always about disarming the good because of the evil. How about disarming the evil? The price of true freedom is never free!
Will Gore HAS to be closely related to Goober by blood. There can't possibly be more than one Gore family THAT freaking retarded.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
What is he became a Commissar,and ordered people he doesn't like off to labor camps or the basement of the Lubyanka,like the good little comrade that he is? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Are you deaf,or is it that you have never shot a machine gun,or been shot at by a machine gun? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I have shot a machine gun, a vintage Thompson. There are no reports that an actual machine gun was used. There are reports that two AR15/AK47 guns were present with bump stocks installed. A bump stock is not a machine gun but it functions very similarly. A legal dodge to the strict licensing for actual machine guns. There just aren't that many real machine guns around. For one thing, they're insanely expensive and so are the parts for them. $10K is cheap for any real machine gun. Buying repair parts is reported to be in the $10K-$50K range, depending on the gun. It's why in all these gun massacres over the years, you never heard of one with machine guns. Or bank robberies. Actual machine guns in civilian hands are pretty rare and very expensive. Not cheap even for cops.
No, it isn't. A machine gun is a strict legal definition. If a bump stock was a machine gun, the BATF would be out around the country arresting people who bought one and busting the manufacturers.
Listen to this video of the shooting and tell us all that's not a machine gun being fired. I don't care what it sounds like. Subsequent reporting continues to confirm that these were long rifles equipped with after-market bump stocks. Not full auto machine guns, either legal or illegal.
You're as clueless about guns as you are about music. The sound of the gunfire goes on continuously for at least 10 seconds straight. At least 200 rounds. I'm sure pete can confirm that this was a fully automatic rifle. But hey - you want to go with the MSM reports? Go for it babe! So will the room the shooter used at the hotel fetch a higher rent now? What do you do with a room that was the shooting site for one of the worst mass shootings in American history? Only the Wounded Knee massacre killed more civilians with firearms.
As opposed to you who waits to hear the official reports, then promptly assumes that They (you know, Them) always lie about everything and then you just make up your usual CT crisis actor bullshit or you peddle whatever crap Alex Jones or that idiot Savage circulates to all the CT psychos like you. I'm waiting for you to start peddling your usual well-known narratives about crisis actors and a fake massacre. You know, like you did after Newtown and the Boston Marathon massacre.
So sayeth the brainwashed slave who greedily guzzles the official narrative disseminated by the Mockingbird controlled media. They do lie about everything you fricking sheep. My default position is that the government and media are liars until shown otherwise. A default position like that can make you believe all kinds of things that aren't true.
Then why do you believe that there was a massacre in Vegas at all? How do you know that that isn't another Big Lie peddled by Them? But, no, you do believe it. Unless you just want to use the report to spin your usual CTs about crisis actors and fake massacres and false flags (9/11, Newtown, Boston Marathon). You have a very long track record of this stuff.
Thanks for the predictable and utterly useless comment shill. Gatlin would approve. You sheep are really amusing. Oh, BTW : You have a very long record of drinking the MSM/fed.gov koolaid. Frigging shill-boy. I think Stone should restrict your article posting privileges for the next few week so you don't bombard us with all of your un-American CT bullshit, exactly as you have done so many times after other massacres.
Sadly,it probably will. This is a sick world we live in these days. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Oh - so it's "un-American" to question the official narrative? Who died and made you the sole arbiter of what is or isn't "American"? Your fascist tendencies are becoming more obvious. So,traditional machinegun style,like the old and much-beloved BAR? I used to know a Master Sergeant that served a couple of tours in the Delta,where it's pretty open and you can usually see for a long ways. He used to call BAR's "varmit guns",although to be fair the BAR did have both slow fire and a rapid fire options,and it wasn't hard at all to squeeze off single shots. You could really "reach out and touch someone" with one of those old long,heavy barreled beauties that were chambered for the old 30/06 round. However,I NEVER met anyone that loved carrying one. SOB's were heavy. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Well, then I haven't wasted my time here.
So far, reports of AK47 and AR15 rifles. It sounds like only two were equipped with the bump fire stocks to simulate full-auto fire. Since this guy was rich, he'd go with the brand-name units, almost certainly Slidefire bump fire stocks. Fostech also makes some units.
Well,both are reliable,easy to find,and the semi-auto AK's are plentiful and cheap,if wildly inaccurate. Not that accuracy matters much when you are shooting at hundreds of people so thickly packed together they might as well be sardines in a can. He wasn't even shooting at targets or individuals. He was just hosing down the crowd. Takes a special kind of coward to do something like that. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Hence his use of the bump fire stocks to maximize his bullets/minute. He might have been a pretty lousy shooter and went for quantity over quality if he had no gun skills to speak of.
LOL !!! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
A friend of my Dad carried one from Normandy until end of war in Europe. He was a little guy, only about 5' 4", said everyone laughed at him for having to carry it, said he cursed the Sgt that assigned it to him. BUT, he said after the first fire fight, only God could have taken it from him. Except for the weight, he loved it ! He thought it was the best long arm of the war. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Yup,I had friends that had been in the old "brown boot army" that would tell you that NOBODY wanted to be a BAR man in basic or advanced training,and everybody made fun of the BAR man. UNTIL the bullets started flying. Suddenly he was EVERYBODY's best friend. A BAR and a M-3 greasegun are the only full-auto weapons I have ever wanted to own. The BAR for historical reasons as well as the reason that nobody to this date has ever made a replacement for it that performed any better or was more reliable,and the M3 Greasegun because I had a suppressed one I sometimes carried on missions in VN. Most guys would carry a 9mm Sten or a Swedish K,but not me. I wanted the good old reliable 45 ACP. Plus the standard 45 ACP round was already loaded at a subsonic level,so with a suppressor the loudest sound they made was when that heavy bolt slammed forward. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Interesting. If I could own a WWII full auto capable weapon, my choice would be the BAR, or a Thompson. But, that is not going to happen. I might rent one at Knob Creek, that would be the closest I will ever get. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I'd love to have a BAR,but am no fan of the Thompson. I don't even know why I would actually buy a BAR even if I had that much "disposable" money. I am sitting here right now looking at a Model 54 Winchester bolt-action 30/06 that I've owned since the mid-70's,and have never even shot the damn thing. I can't remember exactly when was the last time I actually fired a rifle or a shotgun,and the only time I have fired one of my handguns was to shoot snakes. Come to think of it,I have a couple of handguns I have owned for 30 years that I have never fired,either. I need to start gathering up that crap and have a sale. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
LOL, I know what you mean. Looked at doing that sometime back, and every one I looked at, at the time, I had an excuse to keep. Now, I don't remember what the excuse was. Around here, most gun buyers are assholes. They will pickup a firearm that should sell for say $ 800, they will say " I'll give you 50 bucks " I used to have a shop here a few years ago, guys were offering less than cost. Everything they wanted to trade in, they thought was gold. But what they wanted to get from me were a bag of turds. Like I said, a bunch of assholes. Hope you have some luck if you sell ! I told the kids that they may inherit a few pieces Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
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#2. To: Willie Green (#0)
#3. To: Justified (#1)
#4. To: Willie Green (#0)
Fifty people in Las Vegas would not be dead if a man had thrown punches or rocks from his hotel room instead of firing a machine gun.
#5. To: Justified (#1)
but when the dust settles we will find out he is a mentally ill demoncrat pissed off at the world(
#6. To: Willie Green (#0)
The regulations in Nevada are lax, even by US standards. Permits and licences are, it seems, an unnecessary burden for people who want to hang around town tooled up to the nines. State law makes no particular reference to automatic weapons of the sort which appear to have been used in this incident, although federal legislation prohibits the possession of fully automatic weapons unless they were registered before 1986.
#7. To: Willie Green, y'all (#0)
Fifty people in Las Vegas would not be dead if a man had thrown punches or rocks from his hotel room instead of firing a machine gun?
#8. To: wankerWillie gangGreen, fredbot, hondope, zulu, mau mau, hutus, lice, druids, morloks, 666ers (#0)
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#9. To: Willie Green (#0)
#10. To: Willie Green (#0)
The truth that Trump will not face up to is that America’s disastrous relationship with guns is getting worse. Indeed, he cannot face up to it; because he, the entertainer-President, arch-appeaser of the gun lobby, is part of the problem.
#11. To: paraclete (#10)
Not one gun protected anyone from this assault, there was no bystander carrying a weapon who could intervene. This means the shooter demolished the arguments of the NRA.
#12. To: Willie Green (#0)
#13. To: misterwhite (#4)
What if he threw sticks of dynamite or homemade bombs or poison gas?
#14. To: Tooconservative (#6)
There is no evidence thus far that the perp used any fully automatic weapons in his attack.
#15. To: sneakypete (#14)
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#16. To: Tooconservative (#15)
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#17. To: sneakypete (#16)
You can call it a motor scooter if you want,but it's still a machine gun.
#18. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, Stoner (#15)
There are no reports that an actual machine gun was used.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#19. To: Deckard (#18)
#20. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete (#19)
(Edited)
I don't care what it sounds like.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#21. To: Willie Green (#0)
#22. To: Deckard (#20)
But hey - you want to go with the MSM reports?
#23. To: Tooconservative (#22)
As opposed to you who waits to hear the official reports, then promptly assumes that They (you know, Them) always lie about everything
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#24. To: Deckard (#23)
My default position is that the government and media are liars until shown otherwise.
#25. To: Deckard (#23)
They do lie about everything you fricking sheep.
#26. To: Tooconservative (#25)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#27. To: Tooconservative (#25)
You have a very long track record of this stuff.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#28. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#26)
(Edited)
#29. To: Tooconservative (#21)
So will the room the shooter used at the hotel fetch a higher rent now?
#30. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone (#28)
I think Stone should restrict your article posting privileges for the next few week so you don't bombard us with all of your un-American CT bullshit, exactly as you have done so many times after other massacres.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#31. To: Tooconservative (#19)
(Edited)
Subsequent reporting continues to confirm that these were long rifles
#32. To: Deckard (#30)
Who died and made you the sole arbiter of what is or isn't "American"? Your fascist tendencies are becoming more obvious.
#33. To: sneakypete (#31)
So,traditional machinegun style,like the old and much-beloved BAR?
#34. To: Tooconservative (#33)
So far, reports of AK47 and AR15 rifles.
#35. To: sneakypete (#34)
He wasn't even shooting at targets or individuals. He was just hosing down the crowd.
#36. To: Deckard (#26)
#37. To: sneakypete (#31)
" I NEVER met anyone that loved carrying one. SOB's were heavy. "
#38. To: Stoner (#37)
A friend of my Dad carried one from Normandy until end of war in Europe. He was a little guy, only about 5' 4", said everyone laughed at him for having to carry it, said he cursed the Sgt that assigned it to him. BUT, he said after the first fire fight, only God could have taken it from him. Except for the weight, he loved it !
#39. To: sneakypete (#38)
#40. To: Stoner (#39)
If I could own a WWII full auto capable weapon, my choice would be the BAR, or a Thompson.
#41. To: sneakypete (#40)
" I have owned for 30 years that I have never fired, I need to start gathering up that crap and have a sale. "
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