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Title: Trump doesn't want to say too much about the Las Vegas shooting because he's part of the problem (Liberal Puke)
Source: Independent
URL Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices ... ent-part-problem-a7978956.html
Published: Oct 2, 2017
Author: Will Gore
Post Date: 2017-10-02 10:29:58 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 2841
Comments: 42

Trump took to Twitter to offer his 'warm condolences' to the victims, in a turn of phrase that was archetypically odd. Notably he made no immediate comment about the identity of the killer, said to be a local white man in his 60s – and we know where he stands on the NRA

Las Vegas is the city that perhaps most obviously symbolises America’s love affair with the world of entertainment. Its themed hotels, the residencies of huge music stars, the casinos, the coloured illuminations: pulled together they offer the chance to be thrilled and, if you’re lucky, get rich – all under the gaze of a thousand fluorescent lightbulbs.

This morning, however, Vegas is facing up to a much darker reality following the death of at least 50 concertgoers at the hands of a mass murderer. The city that styles itself as the entertainment capital of the world is also now the holder of a much less wanted title as the site of America’s deadliest shooting. 

In the immediate aftermath of the killings, seemingly perpetrated by a man shooting into a crowd from his hotel balcony, thoughts turn to those who have died or been injured, and to the emergency services who have faced a scene of barely imaginable horror. How, we must all wonder, could a person inflict such deliberate pain and suffering on people who were innocently enjoying a musical show? It is a question we have asked in the UK this year too.

Donald Trump look to Twitter to offer his “warm condolences” to the victims, in a turn of phrase that was archetypically odd. Notably he made no immediate comment about the identity of the killer, said to be a local white man in his 60s, who does not fit Trump’s vision of a terrorist. There will be much debate about Trump’s reaction and about the terminology used to describe this tragedy.

Unavoidable too will be a reopening of that grand old American pastime: debating whether gun laws are to blame for a massacre.

The regulations in Nevada are lax, even by US standards. Permits and licences are, it seems, an unnecessary burden for people who want to hang around town tooled up to the nines. State law makes no particular reference to automatic weapons of the sort which appear to have been used in this incident, although federal legislation prohibits the possession of fully automatic weapons unless they were registered before 1986.

In some ways though, the legal minutiae can be a distraction. The basic facts are that gun homicides in America run into the thousands every year – over 12,000 in 2015, up markedly on the previous year. The number of suicides by shooting is also staggering: over 22,000 in 2015. All in all, up to 100,000 people annually will die or be injured as the result of gun use. All four of the biggest mass killings have happened in the last decade.

True, America’s annual firearm-related death rate (10.54 per 100,000 of population in 2014) compares well to some other countries – if those other countries happen to be Brazil (21.2) or El Salvador (45.6 in 2011). But set against France (2.83 in 2012), the UK (0.23 in 2011) or Australia (0.93 in 2013), it would take an ideologue or a madman to conclude that US gun policy is serving the country well.

President Obama recognised the lunacy of America’s attitude to guns. His rage at the deaths witnessed during his time in office became ever more apparent with every high-profile shooting; yet the rage was matched only by his inability to bring about sufficiently substantive change.

Obama’s successor is not cut from the same cloth; indeed, he has rallied the gun lobby to his side, declaring in a speech to the National Rifle Association (NRA) in April that his election had brought an “eight-year assault” on gun ownership rights to a “crashing end”. He has regularly trotted out the line beloved of those who support the right to bear arms – that if more people carried weapons there would be more “good guys” around to head off the “bad buys” when they strike. It is intellectual gibberish of the highest order.

The other favoured mantra of the NRA and its fans is that “it isn’t guns that kill, it’s humans”, which would be laughable for its disingenuousness if the consequences weren’t so severe.

Fifty people in Las Vegas would not be dead if a man had thrown punches or rocks from his hotel room instead of firing a machine gun. Bereaved families would not have to wonder if their loved ones died in excruciating pain from wounds inflicted by bullets. Emergency services would not be dealing with a shortage of blood supplies with which to treat the injured.

Trump will doubtless tell the world that this incident was the act of a lone wolf, perhaps a man who was mentally unstable. Maybe we will find out that the killer had access to an unlawful weapon. We may find he had ideological motives too. Trump will find excuses to avoid pinning responsibility on the US’s constitutional attachment to deadly firearms.

The truth that Trump will not face up to is that America’s disastrous relationship with guns is getting worse. Indeed, he cannot face up to it; because he, the entertainer-President, arch-appeaser of the gun lobby, is part of the problem. 

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#6. To: Willie Green (#0)

The regulations in Nevada are lax, even by US standards. Permits and licences are, it seems, an unnecessary burden for people who want to hang around town tooled up to the nines. State law makes no particular reference to automatic weapons of the sort which appear to have been used in this incident, although federal legislation prohibits the possession of fully automatic weapons unless they were registered before 1986.

Notice that libmedia is immediately peddling the idea that this was "machine gun" or "automatic" gunfire.

There is no evidence thus far that the perp used any fully automatic weapons in his attack.

The intent is to blur the lines between various weapon types to use a massacre to push for more restrictive gun laws.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-02   11:51:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#6)

There is no evidence thus far that the perp used any fully automatic weapons in his attack.

Are you deaf,or is it that you have never shot a machine gun,or been shot at by a machine gun?

sneakypete  posted on  2017-10-02   21:34:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#14) (Edited)

I have shot a machine gun, a vintage Thompson.

There are no reports that an actual machine gun was used.

There are reports that two AR15/AK47 guns were present with bump stocks installed. A bump stock is not a machine gun but it functions very similarly. A legal dodge to the strict licensing for actual machine guns. There just aren't that many real machine guns around. For one thing, they're insanely expensive and so are the parts for them. $10K is cheap for any real machine gun. Buying repair parts is reported to be in the $10K-$50K range, depending on the gun.

It's why in all these gun massacres over the years, you never heard of one with machine guns. Or bank robberies. Actual machine guns in civilian hands are pretty rare and very expensive. Not cheap even for cops.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-02   22:09:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, Stoner (#15)

There are no reports that an actual machine gun was used.

Listen to this video of the shooting and tell us all that's not a machine gun being fired.

Deckard  posted on  2017-10-03   6:01:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#18)

I don't care what it sounds like.

Subsequent reporting continues to confirm that these were long rifles equipped with after-market bump stocks. Not full auto machine guns, either legal or illegal.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   6:23:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete (#19) (Edited)

I don't care what it sounds like.

You're as clueless about guns as you are about music.

The sound of the gunfire goes on continuously for at least 10 seconds straight.

At least 200 rounds. I'm sure pete can confirm that this was a fully automatic rifle.

But hey - you want to go with the MSM reports?

Go for it babe!

Deckard  posted on  2017-10-03   6:36:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard (#20)

But hey - you want to go with the MSM reports?

As opposed to you who waits to hear the official reports, then promptly assumes that They (you know, Them) always lie about everything and then you just make up your usual CT crisis actor bullshit or you peddle whatever crap Alex Jones or that idiot Savage circulates to all the CT psychos like you.

I'm waiting for you to start peddling your usual well-known narratives about crisis actors and a fake massacre. You know, like you did after Newtown and the Boston Marathon massacre.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   6:41:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tooconservative (#22)

As opposed to you who waits to hear the official reports, then promptly assumes that They (you know, Them) always lie about everything

So sayeth the brainwashed slave who greedily guzzles the official narrative disseminated by the Mockingbird controlled media.

They do lie about everything you fricking sheep.

My default position is that the government and media are liars until shown otherwise.

Deckard  posted on  2017-10-03   6:55:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Deckard (#23)

They do lie about everything you fricking sheep.

Then why do you believe that there was a massacre in Vegas at all? How do you know that that isn't another Big Lie peddled by Them?

But, no, you do believe it. Unless you just want to use the report to spin your usual CTs about crisis actors and fake massacres and false flags (9/11, Newtown, Boston Marathon).

You have a very long track record of this stuff.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-03   8:13:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Tooconservative (#25)

You have a very long track record of this stuff.

You have a very long record of drinking the MSM/fed.gov koolaid. Frigging shill-boy.

Deckard  posted on  2017-10-03   8:28:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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