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Title: Heather Heyer Died by a Heart Attack
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZqG1T07cs
Published: Sep 9, 2017
Author: Lauren Rose
Post Date: 2017-09-25 01:37:24 by nolu chan
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Views: 3105
Comments: 18
Heather Heyer Died by a Heart Attack Lauren Rose Video evidence appears to prove that Heather Heyer was never hit by James Fields's vehicle Footage appearing to show Heather being pushed to the ground 3:30
Published on Sep 9, 2017
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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)
I'm not sure people will find this convincing. I suppose a jury might if the accused had competent counsel. And that seems unlikely in this case.
What part? I'm convinced I was misled by the old picture of her used by the MSM. I'm convinced she was morbidly obese and a smoker who joined a protest in 90 degree heat. I'm convinced by her mother who said she died of a heart attack. And I'm convinced by the video that shows she was never touched by the car. Now, add to that the coroner's autopsy report (which we still haven't heard anything about) which I'm convinced will show she was never struck and there goes the 2nd degree murder charge. Perhaps you say he's responsible for contributing to her death. Maybe. But what about her -- a morbidly obese smoker, wearing a black dress in 90 degree heat, in an excited crowd, in the direct sun? Doesn't she share some part of the blame? Hell, what about the crowd beating on the car causing this diagnosed schizophrenic to panic and accelerate forward? Don't they share some of the blame?
Well, obviously they are selling an image of pretty Saint Heather here. In the same way they did with Trayvon by showing a picture of him as a cute 10yo. Or a cute pic of Matthew Shepherd, never mentioning that he was murdered by his fellow meth dealers, one of whom had been a sex partner of his in previous meth binges that lasted for days in rural Wyoming. Don't bet on the facts carrying the day when the Left and their media arm are determined to canonize a new saint of the Left.
Yep. And by the time the truth comes out it's way too late -- the original story is cast in stone, and the truth is viewed as an attempt to undermine the left's agenda. Which is bad enough. But now we see BLM and the NFL picking up on these lies and using them to protest nationwide.
I noticed this weekend that BLM has fallen off the cliff in polling. Now about as popular as Congress.
I suppose a jury might if the accused had competent counsel. She is careful not to overstate the case and to point out where there may be doubts. A video clip clearly has the mother stating that Heather Heyer died of a heart attack. The photo used all over the news appears to misrepresent the appearance of the Heyer at the time of her death. The person on the back of the car appears to be dressed differently than Heyer. Where I have difficulty is identifying Heyer in the crowd. If Lauren Rose is correct in that identification, then it would seem that Heyer was never struck by the car. I would disagree with Lauren Rose that the driver would nonetheless be criminally culpable for involuntary homicide. I would see no way to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, causality. I did not see this before last night and offered it without comment to see what other people saw, as well as its general interest.
I agree. Assuming the accused has competent counsel and some expert witnesses. I don't think that will be the case. He'll be effectively presumed guilty, much easier since he is mentally ill. Well, I seem to recall you had a certain skeptical outlook on this supposed crime from the first day of reporting but perhaps that is just my perception.
She makes really great points. This is the type of person you want producing the news. A person that ask for facts and then checks to see if the facts are facts. If the driver of the vehicle can be charged with Heyers murder shouldn't the people that hit the vehicle that caused the driver to freak out be charged with accessory to murder? BTW another twisted story by the MSM where the story does not "jive" with the facts. Like most people I thought the vehicle hit the person who died. The MSM even were indicating that the Helicopter was brought down by the non-left ie NAZIs(We still do not know who was assembling there).
I don't think that will be the case. He'll be effectively presumed guilty If Heyer was not struck by the vehicle, but just had a heart attack on her own, I would see no involuntary homicide charges being brought regarding Heyer. That is not to imply he will not be charged with other things involving other people. I posted a pic of the back of his car being struck by a bat-like "flagpole" before he got through the intersection prior to the one involving Heyer. I opined that he may have hit his accelerator as a reflex action, out of panic, rather than intent to harm. It made the nature of the event unclear. Below is a clear still photo. The kid at the left rear of the Dodge had just struck the car with the bat/pole in his hand. The mark on the lower left quadrant of the rear bumper appears to be where the bat struck. This was before the rear window had been beaten up, a little further down the road.
I have looked at the various videos from the camera angles that have been released to the public and am not convinced I have a clear idea of precisely what occurred or where/how this woman was hit or where she was at various times when the car moved/stopped/moved. Perhaps you have seen some footage I haven't or have a better grasp of it than I do. I don't think I've spent as much time on it as you have.
I am uncertain if Heyer was hit or not. An autopsy would tell if she were smashed by a car.
Sure would. Why hasn't it been released?
Given it can even be trusted; And whether any coroner is inclined to risk his/her life by announcing the findings.
If a criminal case is brought, the autopsy material must be made available to the defense. Just the pictures would show whether she were busted up or not.
YES. Under NORMAL apolitical circumstances. We all know (or maybe some of us know) that there has been an ongoing conspiracy that serves the Leftist/Globalist agenda. The MSM amd PTB have invested a lot of propagandist time, effort, soundbytes in demonizing of Trump and the "KKK alt-Right" in Charlottesville, and specifically this so-called "victim" of the aforementioned. This broad has been the Antifa's Martyr. An autopsy that proves the MSM, officials, and initial investigators lied when they claimed the Martyr died as a result of injuries sustain in the crash perpetrated a hoax will not wash.
Because of obvious reasons I stated in my prior post. THE TRUTH DISCREDITS THE USUAL SUSPECTS. Charlottesville was a sensationalized national story and this women the Left's/Globalists' Martyr. Right now Liars Inc. from Coup Inc. are trying to come up with a cover story or greater lie. Tellin' ya folks -- The Fix is in. AGAIN. During a past America (before the Coup), Alphabet Agencies would have been called in and hauled the conspirators into jail. Now? Do the math. And stop expecting normal governance and constitutional "law and order." There IS NO USCON nor "PRESIDENT." Only Outlaw Deciders behind the curtain.
It's Brady material. Turn it over or drop the case.
Because they have not yet been legally required to do so.
#2. To: Tooconservative (#1)
I'm not sure people will find this convincing.
#3. To: misterwhite (#2)
#4. To: Tooconservative (#3)
Don't bet on the facts carrying the day when the Left and their media arm are determined to canonize a new saint of the Left.
#5. To: misterwhite (#4)
#6. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite (#1)
I'm not sure people will find this convincing.
#7. To: nolu chan (#6)
I would disagree with Lauren Rose that the driver would nonetheless be criminally culpable for involuntary homicide. I would see no way to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, causality.
I did not see this before last night and offered it without comment to see what other people saw, as well as its general interest.
#8. To: nolu chan (#0)
#9. To: Tooconservative (#7)
(Edited)
Assuming the accused has competent counsel and some expert witnesses.
Well, I seem to recall you had a certain skeptical outlook on this supposed crime from the first day of reporting but perhaps that is just my perception.
#10. To: nolu chan (#9)
#11. To: Tooconservative (#10)
#12. To: nolu chan (#11)
An autopsy would tell if she were smashed by a car.
#13. To: nolu chan (#11)
I am uncertain if Heyer was hit or not. An autopsy would tell if she were smashed by a car.
#14. To: Liberator (#13)
Given it can even be trusted; And whether any coroner is inclined to risk his/her life by announcing the findings.
#15. To: nolu chan (#14)
If a criminal case is brought, the autopsy material must be made available to the defense. Just the pictures would show whether she were busted up or not.
#16. To: misterwhite, nolu chan, all (#12)
Why hasn't it [the autopsy] been released?
#17. To: Liberator (#15)
YES. Under NORMAL apolitical circumstances.
#18. To: misterwhite (#12)
Why hasn't it been released?
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