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Title: Jaguars, Ravens players kneel [overseas] during anthem amid Trump's criticism
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The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief ... l-during-anthem-in-response-to
Published: Sep 24, 2017
Author: Brandon Carter
Post Date: 2017-09-24 12:43:38 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 26714
Comments: 124
Multiple Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars players knelt on Sunday during the playing of the national anthem at the first NFL game since President Trump called for players who take a knee to be fired. Video and photos posted to Twitter shows players kneeling and locking arms as the anthem played. Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan joined his players on the field and linked arms with them before the game began. Trump has faced backlash in recent days from after calling on NFL owners to fire players who kneel during the national anthem. "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now,'" Trump said at a rally in Alabama on Friday. "'He is fired.'" Trump’s comments brought rebukes against Trump from multiple NFL players, the head of the NFL players’ union and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who called Trump’s comments “divisive” and said they showed a “lack of respect for the NFL.” Several NFL executives have also spoken out against Trump and reaffirmed their players’ rights to peacefully protest. But Trump on Sunday doubled down on his comments, calling for players to be fired or suspended for not standing during the national anthem and hitting the NFL for not telling players to stand. — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017 — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017 Poster Comment: Notice that "Shad Khan" (what a cute nickname), the Jaguars owner is a Paki immigrant and Sunni Muslim who joined his team in publicly disrespecting our country. Notice that they traveled overseas to disrespect our flag and anthem. But both teams stood for the British anthem! Another NFL story about kneeling: Ravens and Jaguars players kneeling during National Anthem in England pic.twitter.com/GhthyfIEe3— Justin Fenton (@justin_fenton) September 24, 2017 Many players from both teams kneeling during anthem in London, arms linked.— Neil Best (@sportswatch) September 24, 2017 Multiple players on both the Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars took a knee during the national anthem in the first NFL game today pic.twitter.com/lSz7IcwhBm— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) September 24, 2017 
A multitude of #Ravens and #Jaguars players kneeling during the National Anthem this morning, the rest of the team locking arms in unison pic.twitter.com/c97tPS9PxC— Ashlyn Sullivan (@ashlynrsullivan) September 24, 2017 
Jaguars’ owner Shad Khan: pic.twitter.com/aMO8cHDWYb— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 24, 2017 
If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend! ...NFL attendance and ratings are WAY DOWN. Boring games yes, but many stay away because they love our country. League should back U.S.
I did my best to get those Twitter pics to show here.
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#12. To: Tooconservative (#0)
Trump should just ignore the matter completely. It's purely a private NFL matter.
Actually, it has already spread to major league baseball, and internationally, and the actions are not happening in private. What it is not, is a matter of constitutionally protected free speech. The First Amendment protects against governmental interference with free speech. If the players can disrespect the flag, the national anthem, or the country on the field, in uniform, while they represent the team and the league, it is because they are being permitted to do so by the NFL and their team.
Well, it is constitutionally protected from criminal action which means Trump has zero legal authority to do anything about it. My meaning with "private" was that the government has no say or grounds for complaint in the matter, and that it was solely in the purview of the NFL to deal with however they see fit. True, as stadiums qualify as public venues and the events are widely broadcast it is not private it that sense. As it is not a federal matter, Trump should declare it as such, and his condemnation of the protest should be billed as his personal opinion, though underscoring that is not Trump's way. From another angle, Trump's condemnation of the protests have actually served to reward the protesters with the very attention they want. That may have actually fanned the flames, so to speak, and encouraged other athletes to protest as well. Pro athletes may well have modest loyalty to country, but likely a stronger loyalty to their teammates, and compatriots in other pro sports.
What on earth does it have to do with Federal criminal law???? There is no CRIMINAL violation here by any party. The President has every right to stand up and speak up. http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-4/chapter-1/sec.-9/ §9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries present should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes. (Added Pub. L. 105–225, §2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1498; Pub. L. 110–181, div. A, title V, §594, Jan. 28, 2008, 122 Stat. 138.) The government does have a say when, on national television, a corporate entity is permitting or encouraging the planned, deliberate, organized violation of a Federal statute, to the offense of the people, and in disrespect of the flag and the country. When, with league approval, the players and coaches disrespect the flag and the country, it is offensive. Screw stadiums. It is on FCC regulated BROADCAST television. It is a Federal matter. 4 U.S.C. § 9. It is the nation, the national flag, and the national anthem that is being disrespected. Opinions do vary. Trump has definitely shined the brightest light possible upon the kneeling cockroaches. He has presented the people with a simple choice between Team BLM, supported by Team Goodell and the NFL football monopoly, and Team USA. This cost of the NFL caving to Team BLM will have the same devasting cost as it did to the University of Missouri. Attendance goes down, tv ratings go down, and revenue goes down. When it goes down enough, the owners will no longer support the players costing them a fortune. As for owners joining with Team BLM yesterday, these are the same owners who will not hire Colin Kaepernick. They are in their current predicament because the NFL failed to act last year when Kaepernick insulted the nation every week. Pro athletes may well have modest loyalty to country, but likely a stronger loyalty to their teammates, and compatriots in other pro sports. It is not all pro athletes. There are thugs and jackasses in the NFL, just as there are outside the NFL, who support BLM bullshit agitation. The NFL can do something about their thug BLM infection, or they can pay the same price as the University of Missouri. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/25/university-missouri-enrollment-hits-new-low/ By Bradford Richardson - The Washington Times Enrollment at the University of Missouri continues to crater in the wake of the November 2015 race protests, with this year’s incoming class down 33 percent from the one two years ago. [...]
Trump has definitely shined the brightest light possible upon the kneeling cockroaches. He has presented the people with a simple choice between Team BLM, supported by Team Goodell and the NFL football monopoly, and Team USA. This cost of the NFL caving to Team BLM will have the same devasting cost as it did to the University of Missouri. Interesting observations... It seems THE self-annointed arbiters of "Free Speech" (or notion that Abortion is considered "Choice" instead of Baby-Murder) are now the Globalist MSM, leftist Academe, and Anarchists. Truth is now relative to whether one is conservative OR liberal-Left. Libertarians remains as confused and supporting ANYTHING -- "just as long as no one dies. (Directly.) The argument that Trump should keep his mouth shut is akin to keeping quiet as your friendly neighborhood vandals and arsonists do their thang. This issue is NOT about 1A issues (as has the MSM-Propaganda etal tried to spin. They were conspicuously mute as 0bama was far more incendiary and divisive.) The GOOD news as you note is Trump exposing the infestation and TRUE under-belly of contempt and investment by the various elitist entities for an America-divided and mired in permanent anarchy. From where I stand, watch and listen, the NFL (like most American institutions that are slowly being co-oped), is fully prepared to take the financial bullet here. As I've recently suggested, in exchange for their nod and a wink, the NWO Globalist Cabal of Monied Occultists are underwriting any revenue losses by the owners. NONE of what's happened has taken any owners by surprise. ALL of it has their blessing. Colleges and Universities (like Missou) initially took financial bullets, but behind the scene money is presumably aggressively exchanging hands, taking much of the assumed financial sting out of the equation. It is very possible that (like DC politicians), NFL OWNERS THEMSELVES have also been made "offers" they "can't refuse." It makes NO sense that they would support this nonsense that will obviously alienate their fan base. UNLESS they've been reassured that THEY WILL BE COMPENSATED. As I've also suggested recently, the #1 Enemy of Globalist-Elites is American sovereignty and independence. The #1 foe standing in the way of a One World Government (as framed by the propaganda arm of the Globalist Occultists Inc) are White people. Christian White people. Especially, ARMED STRAIGHT CHRISTIAN WHITE PEOPLE. And Patriots of ALL stripes. This is why it is crucial that Christians especially be divided and isolated by tribe, race, age, politics, gender, and every demo possible.
I don't think anyone will pay them off to take a hit. They are afraid of their next player strike when the contracts are renegotiated or afraid of the playas demanding the right to wear stylish new "Death To Whitey" emblems or some such. The owners think if they just pander now, it'll pay off later in avoiding a strike or demands that they let the NFL become the playas SJW propaganda platform. They're wrong of course.
#105. To: Tooconservative (#103)
I think...that's exactly the inside-the-box narrative "they" have calculated would be widely accepted. NOT the theory of a "kook" like mine. Nope. The owners aren't THAT naive to assume a quid pro quo concession from playas in exchange for cratering the NFL fan base. Makes no sense. Nor should anyone believe that Goodell isn't a mere puppet who fears neither the NFL owners, the DoJ, nor playa strike. The "Playas"? They aren't THIS smart OR organized to pull off what's been orchestrated since Kaep decided to go commando all by his lonesome, going, "Meh," as he's become a half-black martyr while surrendered guaranteed millions.
But...didn't Kaep basically wear his stylish, "Death To Cops" sock already? WITH IMPUNITY from Goodell and NFL owners? I can easily see black-fist emblems or some other unofficial incendiary NFL-sanctioned "FU"s on its way to the field. ESPN will breathlessly report it in between half-smoked Marlboros.
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#36. To: Pinguinite, Tooconservative (#12)
It's purely a private NFL matter.
#68. To: nolu chan (#36)
What it is not, is a matter of constitutionally protected free speech. The First Amendment protects against governmental interference with free speech.
#88. To: Pinguinite (#68)
Well, it is constitutionally protected from criminal action which means Trump has zero legal authority to do anything about it.
My meaning with "private" was that the government has no say or grounds for complaint in the matter, and that it was solely in the purview of the NFL to deal with however they see fit.
4 U.S.C. § 9 (2015)
True, as stadiums qualify as public venues and the events are widely broadcast it is not private it that sense.
As it is not a federal matter, Trump should declare it as such, and his condemnation of the protest should be billed as his personal opinion, though underscoring that is not Trump's way.
From another angle, Trump's condemnation of the protests have actually served to reward the protesters with the very attention they want. That may have actually fanned the flames, so to speak, and encouraged other athletes to protest as well.
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#97. To: nolu chan, Pinguinite, tooconservative, redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#88)
The President has every right to stand up and speak up....
#103. To: Liberator (#97)
It is very possible that (like DC politicians), NFL OWNERS THEMSELVES have also been made "offers" they "can't refuse." It makes NO sense that they would support this nonsense that will obviously alienate their fan base. UNLESS they've been reassured that THEY WILL BE COMPENSATED.
Replies to Comment # 103. The owners think if they just pander now, it'll pay off later in avoiding a strike or demands that they let the NFL become the playas SJW propaganda platform.
#106. To: Tooconservative (#103)
...wear stylish new "Death To Whitey" emblems or some such.
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