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Plague of deadly New Diseases Continues [FULL VIDEO] Police release bodycam footage of Monroe County District Attorney Sandra Doorley traffi Police clash with pro-Palestine protesters on Ohio State University campus Joe Rogan Experience #2138 - Tucker Carlson Police Dispersing Student Protesters at USC - Breaking News Coverage (College Protests) What Passover Means For The New Testament Believer Are We Closer Than Ever To The Next Pandemic? War in Ukraine Turns on Russia what happened during total solar eclipse Israel Attacks Iran, Report Says - LIVE Breaking News Coverage Earth is Scorched with Heat Antiwar Activists Chant ‘Death to America’ at Event Featuring Chicago Alderman Vibe Shift Status: Not Logged In; Sign In LEFT WING LOONS See other LEFT WING LOONS Articles Title: Mark Levin obliterates Jimmy Kimmel for secretly colluding with Dems on health care Source: TheRightScoop URL Source: http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin ... ding-with-dems-on-health-care/ Published: Sep 23, 2017 Author: SooperMexican Post Date: 2017-09-23 15:14:36 by Tooconservative Keywords: None Views: 7210 Comments: 30 Yesterday we discovered that Jimmy Kimmel didn’t figure out how much he hated the Obamacare repeal bill by himself – he enlisted the help of Chucky Schumer for months on it. And Mark Levin is NOT happy about it. ROLL THE TAPE MISTER PRODUCER!! Levin makes a really good point. “Jimmy Kimmel, you’re a deceitful SOB. You should’ve told the American people when you were espousing what you were espousing that you were getting talking points from Chuck Schumer,” Levin said. That’s exactly right. If Kimmel wants to be a mouthpiece for the Democratic party, OK, but be honest about it. Tell America when you’re attacking the Graham-Cassidy bill that you’re just spouting off political spin from Chuck Schumer. But these days, the truth doesn’t matter anymore, only the perception. We’re screwed. Poster Comment: I do enjoy it when Levin sounds like he's about to burst a few blood vessels. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 25. #8. To: Tooconservative (#0) http://www.dailywire.com/news/21330/jimmy-kimmel-has-no-moral-authority-health-care-ben-shapiro Jimmy Kimmel Has No Moral Authority On Health Care Just Because His Son Had Heart Surgery. Here's Why. Ben Shapiro The Daily Wire Sept. 20, 2017 On Tuesday evening, ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel spoke from the heart once again about Obamacare. Citing his baby son’s experience with open heart surgery at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles (CHLA), Kimmel tore into Senator Bill Cassidy (R-LA), who appeared on Kimmel’s show months ago and vowed not to flunk the “Jimmy Kimmel test.” What was the Kimmel test? According to Cassidy: “Would the child born with a congenital heart disease be able to get everything she or he would need in that first year of life…even if they go over a certain amount?” Cassidy insists that the new bill he’s pushing with Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) doesn’t violate that test – he’s saying that the bill mandates that states certify that they provide “adequate and affordable care” in order to waive certain essential health benefits mandated by Obamacare. But the test itself was fatally flawed from the first: it assumes that the government is the best venue for addressing these concerns. It isn’t. Medicaid coverage, which expanded dramatically under Obamacare, does not guarantee that a baby will get everything the baby needs in the first year of life – supplemental charity at hospitals like Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles, where Kimmel’s son received his surgery, does. In fact, many patients at CHLA are illegal immigrants, who aren’t covered by Medicaid at all. The big question isn’t government-sponsored coverage, but bringing down the prices of health care and health insurance through competition. In fact, President Obama’s signature health plan doesn’t pass the Kimmel Test either, as even Vox.com acknowledges. That’s Cassidy’s mistake for buying into the Leftist model of health care provision. But Kimmel didn’t stop there. Instead, he invoked his son’s health situation to suggest socialized medicine as a solution. He explained: I am politicizing my son’s health problems, because I have to … somehow Japan and England and Canada and Germany, France, they all figured health care out, and don’t say they have terrible health care, because it’s just not true. To ignore the health care cost and rationing problems in France and England and Canada and Germany and Japan is simply ignorant. But Kimmel's argument is absurd on every level. It’s absurd on a logical level: having a child with a heart condition doesn’t make you an expert on health care anymore than it makes you an expert on heart surgery. I should know – as I’ve said before (and only in response to Kimmel’s invocation of his own son), my daughter received open heart surgery at a year-and-a-half old at CHLA, at the hands of the same magnificent doctor Kimmel used. So by this logic, my opinion should be treated with precisely the same kind of moral weight Kimmel’s is. But I don’t think that the fact that my daughter had her heart fixed at CHLA is what grants me credibility to talk about health care. Reading health care law does. Studying health insurance schemes does. Speaking with my wife, who works inside that health care system as a doctor (including at CHLA from time to time) and thus knows the system from the inside, does. Kimmel’s invocation of his son is also absurd on a moral level: Kimmel’s son didn’t lack health care. Neither would anyone else who needed surgery at CHLA. That’s because CHLA is a charity hospital with an endowment of hundreds of millions of dollars. Emergency heart surgery is not denied to babies based on ability to pay. The cost may just be extraordinary on the other end. Dr. Vaughn Starnes, the doctor who operated on both our children, isn’t in the business of denying dying babies surgery because their parents lack coverage. That would be true whether the parents picked up the check or the hospital did or the state did. Cost allocation is not the same thing as treatment availability. But emotional appeals do big business in politics. So Kimmel has been granted outsized authority on an issue upon which he admits he has little expertise. That’s foolish of the media, foolish of the American people, and foolish of Kimmel. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-24   1:44:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: nolu chan (#8) (Edited) Cost allocation is not the same thing as treatment availability. < < Obama bragged about how many more people were now covered under the expanded M Medicaid. Millions. Tens of millions. Boy, what a great President. The truth is that a large number of doctors are no longer treating Medicaid patients because they lose money on the paltry government reimbursements. Meaning, in s some areas there are no doctors to see a Medicaid patient. So what good it that coverage? misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-24   11:01:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: misterwhite (#13) Meaning, in s some areas there are no doctors to see a Medicaid patient. So what good it that coverage? It's good for insurance companies who get compelled customers who can't receive medical care. Profit! Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-24   13:03:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Tooconservative (#16) It's good for insurance companies who get compelled customers who can't receive medical care. Obamacare is great for the government which gets the uninsured "fines" in exchange for nothing. misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-24   13:22:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative (#19) Obamacare is great for the government which gets the uninsured "fines" in exchange for nothing. Now, now. As a penalty or fine, the individual mandate non-penalty was ruled unconstitutional. It is a tax on that class of people who do not have health insurance. It was Roberts' small poison pill. As a penalty or fine, it could be raised. As a tax, it cannot be made punitive or coercive or a court might rule it an illegal punishment rather than a tax. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-24   17:26:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: nolu chan (#21) (Edited) It is a tax on that class of people who do not have health in insurance. Phrased that way, that would be unconstitutional. So in reality it's a tax on everyone -- but if you choose to get health insurance you get a tax deduction. Similarly, if you choose to buy a house your mortgage is tax deductible and you pay lower taxes than a person who does not have a mortgage. We don't "tax that class of people who do not have a home". misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-24   19:01:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: misterwhite (#23) Phrased that way, that would be unconstitutional. So in reality it's a tax on everyone -- but if you choose to get health insurance you get a tax deduction. It's not a tax on everyone. It is an excise tax on a class of people, and the class of people is defined as those who do not have health insurance. That is the SCOTUS wordsmithing. The power to tax is not limited in the same way as the power to penalize under the commerce clause. That is their story and they are sticking with it. SCOTUS did find that a penalty for not buying a commercial product could not be a constitutional exercise of the commerce clause. The action was to not engage in commerce. Personally, I thought that is where they should have ended the opinion. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-24   20:22:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: nolu chan (#24) Personally, I thought that is where they should have ended the opinion. I agree. But that part of Obamacare was sold to the public as a penalty for not participating. Obama promised not to raise taxes to cover it. And that's how and why Obamacare passed. But then SCOTUS did a bait-and-switch and changed it to a tax and approved it. "It is an excise tax on a class of people, and the class of people is defined as those who do not have health insurance." I disagree. All you did was change the word "penalty" to the word "tax". It would violate due process to tax some people and not others. But, you can tax everyone then give a tax deduction to those individuals who pose less of a burden on society. misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-25   10:38:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 25. #26. To: misterwhite (#25) It would violate due process to tax some people and not others. No, the government's power to tax is not so limited. Due process is not involved. The law was passed by both houses and signed by the president. The Courts exercised judicial authority. SCOTUS determined that the individual mandate could be viewed as a tax. Whether it should have been viewed as a tax is debatable. When viewed as a tax, it is lawful under the taxing power. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf OBAMACARE - NFIB v Sebelius slip op - ROBERTS, Opinion of the COURT At 42-44: Whether the mandate can be upheld under the Com­merce Clause is a question about the scope of federal authority. Its answer depends on whether Congress can exercise what all acknowledge to be the novel course of directing individuals to purchase insurance. Congress’s use of the Taxing Clause to encourage buying something is, by contrast, not new. Tax incentives already promote, for example, purchasing homes and professional educa­tions. See 26 U. S. C. §§163(h), 25A. Sustaining the mandate as a tax depends only on whether Congress has properly exercised its taxing power to encourage purchas­ing health insurance, not whether it can. Upholding the individual mandate under the Taxing Clause thus does not recognize any new federal power. It determines that Congress has used an existing one. Second, Congress’s ability to use its taxing power to influence conduct is not without limits. A few of our cases policed these limits aggressively, invalidating punitive exactions obviously designed to regulate behavior other­wise regarded at the time as beyond federal authority. See, e.g., United States v. Butler, 297 U. S. 1 (1936); Drexel Furniture, 259 U. S. 20. More often and more recently we have declined to closely examine the regulatory motive or effect of revenue-raising measures. See Kahriger, 345 U. S., at 27–31 (collecting cases). We have nonetheless maintained that “‘there comes a time in the extension of the penalizing features of the so-called tax when it loses its character as such and becomes a mere penalty with the characteristics of regulation and punishment.’” Kurth Ranch, 511 U. S., at 779 (quoting Drexel Furniture, supra, at 38). We have already explained that the shared responsibil­ity payment’s practical characteristics pass muster as a tax under our narrowest interpretations of the taxing power. Supra, at 35–36. Because the tax at hand is within even those strict limits, we need not here decide the precise point at which an exaction becomes so punitive that the taxing power does not authorize it. It remains true, however, that the “‘power to tax is not the power to destroy while this Court sits.’” Oklahoma Tax Comm’n v. Texas Co., 336 U. S. 342, 364 (1949) (quoting Panhandle Oil Co. v. Mississippi ex rel. Knox, 277 U. S. 218, 223 (1928) (Holmes, J., dissenting)). Third, although the breadth of Congress’s power to tax is greater than its power to regulate commerce, the taxing power does not give Congress the same degree of control over individual behavior. Once we recognize that Con­gress may regulate a particular decision under the Com­merce Clause, the Federal Government can bring its full weight to bear. Congress may simply command individ­uals to do as it directs. An individual who disobeys may be subjected to criminal sanctions. Those sanctions can include not only fines and imprisonment, but all the at­tendant consequences of being branded a criminal: depri­vation of otherwise protected civil rights, such as the right to bear arms or vote in elections; loss of employment opportunities; social stigma; and severe disabilities in other controversies, such as custody or immigration disputes. By contrast, Congress’s authority under the taxing power is limited to requiring an individual to pay money into the Federal Treasury, no more. If a tax is properly paid, the Government has no power to compel or punish individuals subject to it. We do not make light of the se­vere burden that taxation—especially taxation motivated by a regulatory purpose—can impose. But imposition of a tax nonetheless leaves an individual with a lawful choice to do or not do a certain act, so long as he is willing to pay a tax levied on that choice. The Affordable Care Act’s requirement that certain in­dividuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax. Be­cause the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-25 18:11:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 25. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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