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Title: A Conversation With God
Source: Vicomte13, quoting Jesus a lot
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Published: Sep 22, 2017
Author: Jesus, mostly
Post Date: 2017-09-22 17:57:08 by Vicomte13
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Views: 9957
Comments: 199

Greatly disturbed by what was happening here, yet not wanting to leave so many people behind after having conversed with them over so many years, I tried to work it out myself in successive posts to the board.

That only made things worse, so I walked away.

Unable to figure it out for myself I turned to God. I asked him to tell me what to say.

He answered me, saying: “Not yet. You still want to win.” So I waited. Yesterday, I started to get the answer. Here it is.

(1) I TOLD YOU TO LISTEN TO JESUS.

“You are my beloved son, in you I delight.” (Lk 3:22; Mk 1:11)

“This is my son, the beloved, in whom I delight.” (Mt 3:17)

“Lo, My Boy Whom I prefer! My Beloved, in whom my soul delights! I shall be placing my spirit on him, and he shall be reporting judging to the nations. He will not be brawling nor clamoring, nor will anyone be hearing his voice in the squares. A reed that is bruised He will not be fracturing, and flax that is smoldering he will not be extinguishing till he should ever be casting out judging for victory.” (Mt 12:20)

And a voice came out of the cloud saying, "This is my son, the chosen; Listen to him." (Lk 8:35)

And there came a cloud overshadowing them. And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is my son, the beloved. Hear him!” (Mk 9:7)

While he is still speaking, lo! a luminous cloud overshadows them, and lo! a voice out of the cloud, saying, "This is my son, the beloved in whom I delight. Hear him!" (Mt 17:5)

Ok, I’m listening. What does Jesus say?

(2) FOLLOW JESUS.

"What are you seeking?".. "Come and see." (Jn 1:38-39)

"Follow me.” (Jn 1:43)

"Follow me!" (Mk 2:14)

"Follow me." (Lk 5:27)

"Follow me!" (Mt 9:9)

"Follow me!" (Lk (9:59)

"Hither! After me, and I will make you become fishers of men!" (Mk 1:17)

"Hither! After me, and I will be making you fishers of men!" (Mt 4:19)

"Be following me, and leave the dead to entomb their own dead." (Mt 8:22)

“…And hither! Follow me.” (Lk 18:22)

“…And hither! Follow me, picking up the cross." (Mk 10:21)

And hither! Follow Me." (Mt 19:21)

"Verily, I am saying to you, that you who follow me, in the renascence whenever the son of mankind should be seated on the throne of his glory, you also shall sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Mt 19:28)"

"Let not your heart be disturbed. Believe in God, and believe in me. (Jn 14:1)

"I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one is coming to the Father except through me. (Jn 14:6)

“The spirit of the Lord is on me, on account of which he anoints me to bring the good news to the poor. He has commissioned me to heal the crushed heart, to herald to captives a pardon and to the blind the receiving of sight: to dispatch the oppressed with a pardon. (Lk 4:18)

“Hither to me, all who are toiling and laden, and I will give you rest. Lift My yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble in heart, and you shall be finding rest in your souls, for my yoke is kindly and my load is light." (Mt 11:28-30)

“It is written in the prophets: ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone, then, who hears from the Father and is learning truth, is coming to me.” (Jn 6:45)

"My teaching is not mine, but His who sends me. If anyone should be wanting to be doing His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is of God or I am speaking from myself. He who is speaking from himself is seeking his own glory, yet he who is seeking the glory of Him who sends him, this one is true, and injustice is not in him.” (Jn 7:16-18)

"If anyone should be serving me, let him be following me, and where I am, there my servant also shall be. And if anyone should be serving me, the Father shall be honoring him. (Jn 12:26)

"He who is believing in me is not believing in me, but in him who sends me.” (Jn 12:44)

"I am the light of the world. He who is following me should under no circumstances be walking in darkness, but will be having the light of life." (Jn 8:1)

To Pontius Pilate: "You are saying that I am a king. For this also have I been born, and for this have I come into the world, that I should be testifying to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth us hearing my voice." (Jn 18:37) “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Origin and the Consummation.” (Rv 22:13)

Ok, Lord. You could not possibly have made that any clearer. You’ve really beaten that one in – I am to follow Jesus. He is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega, and nobody comes to the Father except through him. Got it. But what does following Jesus MEAN?

(3) KEEP JESUS' COMMANDMENTS!

"It is written, 'Not on bread alone shall man be living, but on every declaration going out through the mouth of God.'" (Mt 4:4)

"It is written that, 'Not on bread alone shall man be living, but on every declaration of God.'" (Lk 4:4)

"If anyone is wanting to come after me, let him renounce himself and pick up his cross and follow me. (Mt 16:24)

"If anyone is wanting to come after me, let him renounce himself and pick up his cross and follow me. (Mk 8:34)

"If anyone is wanting to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his cross daily and follow me. (Lk 9:23)

"Now why are you calling me 'Lord, Lord,' and not doing what I say? Everyone coming to me and hearing my words and doing them - I shall be intimating to you whom he is like. He is like a man building a house, who digs and deepens, and places the foundation on a rock. Now, at an inundation occurring, the river bursts through to that house, and it is not strong enough to shake it, because it is ideally built. Now he who hears, and does not, is like a man building a house on the earth without a foundation, to which the river bursts through, and straightway it collapses; and the crash of that house came to be great." (Lk 6:46-49)

“Not everyone saying to me ‘Lord! Lord!’ will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens. Many will be declaring to me in that day, 'Lord! Lord! Was it not in your name that we prophesy, and in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many powerful deeds?’ And then shall I be avowing to them that I never knew you! Depart from me, workers of lawlessness! (Mt 7:21)

"Everyone, then, who is hearing these sayings of mine and is doing them shall be likened to a prudent man who builds his house on the rock. And the rain descended, and the rivers came, and the winds blow and they lunge at that house, and it does not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who is hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them shall be likened to a stupid man who builds his house on sand. And the rain descended, and the rivers came, and the winds blow and they dash against that house, and it falls: and the fall of it was great." (Mt 7:24-27)

“And he who is not taking his cross and following after me is not worthy of me.” (Mt 10:38)

“The spirit is that which is vivifying. The flesh is not benefiting anything. The declarations which I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who are not believing." (Mt10:63-64)

"If ever you should be remaining in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will be-making-you-free" (Jn 8:31-32)

"And if ever anyone should be hearing my declarations and not be maintaining them, I am not judging him, for I came not that I should be judging the world, but that I should be saving the world. He who is repudiating me and not getting my declarations, has that which is judging him; the word which 1 speak, that will be judging him in the last day.” (Jn 12:47-48)

“You are shouting to me ‘Teacher!' and 'Lord!', and you are saying ideally, for I am. If, then, I, the Lord and the Teacher, wash your feet, you also ought to be washing one another's feet. 15 For an example have I given you, that, according as I do to you, you also may be doing. Verily, verily, I am saying to you, A slave is not greater than his lord, neither is an apostle greater than he who sends him. If you are aware of these things, happy are you if you should be doing them!” (Jn 13:13-17)

He who has My commandments and is keeping them, he it is who is loving Me. Now he. who is loving Me will be loved by My Father, and I shall be loving him and shall be disclosing Myself to him.''

“If anyone should be loving me, he will be keeping my word, and my Father will be loving him, and we shall be coming to him and making an abode with him. …He who is not loving me, is not keeping my words. And the word which you are hearing is not mine, but the Father's who sends me.” (Jn 14:21, 23- 34)

"I am the true grapevine, and My Father is the farmer. Every branch in me bringing forth no fruit, He is taking it away, and every one bringing forth fruit. He is cleansing it, that it may be bringing forth more fruit….Remain in me, I also am in you. According as the branch cannot be bringing forth fruit from itself, it should not be remaining in the grapevine, thus neither you, if you should not be remaining in me. I am the grapevine. You are the branches. He who is remaining in me, and I in him, this one is bringing forth much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone should not be remaining in me, he was cast out as a branch, and it withered. And they are gathering them, and into the fire are they casting them, and they are being burned. If ever you should be rernaining.in me and my declarations should be remaining in you, whatever you should be wanting, request, and it will be occurring to you. In this is my Father glorified, that you rnay be brlnglng forth much fruit, and you shall become my disciples. According as the Father loves me, I also love you. Remain in My love. If ever you should be keeping my commandments, you will be remaining in my love, according as I have kept the commandments of my Father and am remaining in His love.” (Jn 15:1-2, 4-10)

“You are my friends if you should be doing whatever I am directing you.” (Jn 15:14)

Ok. Got it. To follow Jesus MEANS doing what he said, keeping his commandments, understanding that what HE said came from YOU, and are the commandments by which we are to live. You know my predicament here. What commandments of Jesus apply? What do you want me to do? Tell me what to say!

(4) THIS.

"But to you, who are hearing, am I saying: Love your enemies. Be doing ideally to those who are hating you. Bless those who are cursing you. Pray concerning those who are traducing you. To him who is beating you on the cheek, be tendering the other also. And you should not be preventing him who is taking away your cloak from taking your tunic also. (Lk 6:27-29)

“Moreover, be loving your enemies, and be doing good, and be lending, expecting nothing from them, and your wages will be vast in the heavens, and you will be sons of the most high, for He is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. (Lk 6:35)

"Become, then, merciful, according as your Father also is merciful.” (Lk 6:36)

"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.” (Mt 5:7)

“And be not judging, and under no circumstances may you be judged; and be not convicting, and under no circumstances may you be convicted; be releasing, and you shall be released; be giving, and it shall be given to you: a measure ideal, squeezed down and shaken together. And running over, shall they be giving into your bosom. For the same measure with which you are measuring will be measured to you again.” (Lk 6:37-38)

“Do not judge, lest you may be judged, for with what judgment you are judging, shall you be judged, and with what measure you are measuring, shall it be measured to you. (Mt 7:1-2)

“And according as you are wanting that men may be doing to you, you also be doing to them” (Lk 6:31)

“All, then, whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them, for this is the law and the prophets.” (Mt 5:12)

"The blind cannot guide the blind. Will not both be falling into a pit?” (Lk 6:39)

“Now why are you observing the mote in your brother's eye, yet the beam in your own eye you are not considering? Or how can you be saying to your brother, 'Brother, let me extract the mote in your eye,' observing not, yourself, the beam in your eye? Hypocrite! Extract first the beam out of your eye, and then you will be keen-sighted to be extracting the mote in your brother’s eye.” (Lk 6:41-42)

45 "The good man out of the good treasure of his heart is bringing forth that which is good, and the wicked man out of the wicked treasure of his heart is bringing forth that which is wicked, for out of the superabundance of the heart his mouth is speaking.” (Lk 6:45)

"You hear that it was declared to the ancients, 'You shall not murder.' Yet whoever should be murdering shall be liable to the judging. Yet I am saying to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to the judging. Yet whoever may be saying to his brother, 'Raka!' shall be liable to the Sanhedrin. Yet whoever may be saying, 'Stupid!' shall be liable to the Gehenna of fire. If, then, you should be offering your approach present on the altar, and there you should be reminded that your brother has anything against you, leave your approach present there, in front of the altar, and go away. First be placated toward your brother, and then, coming, be offering your approach present.” (Mt 5:21-14)

“Thus, then, you be praying: 'Our Father, who art in the heavens, hallowed be Thy name…And remit to us our debts, as we also remit those of our debtors.” (Mt 6:9,12)

“For if you should be forgiving men their offenses, your heavenly Father also will be forgiving you. Yet if you should not be forgiving men their offenses, neither will your Father be forgiving your offenses.” (Mt 6:14-15)

"Simon, I have something to say to you." ..."Two debtors paying usury were owing a certain creditor. The one owed five hundred denarii, yet the other fifty. Now, they having nothing to pay, he deals graciously with both. Which of them, then, will be loving him more?" Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven." Jesus said, "Correctly do you decide." Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Are you observing this woman? I entered into your house; water for my feet you do not give, yet she rains tears on my feet and with her hair she wipes them off. A kiss to me you do not give, yet she, from the time I entered, did not intermit fondly kissing my feet; with oil my head you do not rub, yet she with attar rubs my feet; on behalf of which, I am saying to you, pardoned are her many sins, for she loves much. Now to whom there is scant pardoning, there is scant loving." (Lk 7: 40-47)

"You hear that it was declared, 'An eye for an eye,' and 'A tooth for a tooth.' Yet I am saying to you not to withstand a wicked person, but anyone who slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. And he who wants to sue you and obtain your tunic, leave him your cloak also. And anyone who conscripts you one mile, go with him two. To him who requests you, give; and from him who wants to borrow from you, you may not tum.” (Mt 38-42)

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God” (Mt 5:9)

"Beware what you are hearing! With what measure you are measuring, it will be measured to you, and it will be added to you. For he who has, it shall be given to him; and he who has not, even what he has shall be taken away from him." (Mk 4: 24-25)

“Now why are you observing the mote that is in your brother's eye, yet the beam in your eye you are not considering? Or how will you be declaring to your brother, 'Brother, let me extract the mote out of your eye, and lo! the beam is in your eye? Hypocrite! Extract first the beam out of your eye, and then you will be keen-sighted to be extracting the mote out of your brother's eye.” (Mt 5:3-5) “You hear that it was declared, 'You shall be loving your associate' and you shall be hating your enemy. Yet 1 am saying to you. Love your enemies, and pray for those who are persecuting you, so that you may become sons of your Father who is in the heavens, for He causes His sun to rise on the wicked and the good, and makes it rain on the just and the unjust. For if ever you should love those who are loving you, what wages have you? Are not the tribute collectors also doing the same? And if ever you should greet your brothers only, what are you doing that is excessive? Are not those of the nations also doing the same? You, then, shall be perfect as your, heavenly Father is perfect. (Mt 5:43-48)

"Either make the tree ideal and its fruit ideal, or make the tree rotten and its fruit rotten, for by its fruit the tree is known.” (Mt 12:33)

Perfect, Lord? Be perfect?

(5) YES.

Then, approaching, Peter said to Him, "Lord, how many times shall my brother he sinning against me and I shall be pardoning him? Till seven times?"[Jesus replied]... "I am not saying to you 'Till seven times,' but 'Till seventy times and seven. Therefore likened was the kingdom of the heavens to a man, a king, who wants to settle accounts with his slaves. Now, at his beginning to settle, one debtor was brought to him who owed ten thousand talents. Now, at his not having wherewith to pay, the lord orders him to be disposed of, and his wife and children and all, whatever he has, and payment to be made. Falling down, then, that slave worshiped him, saying, Lord, be patient with me, and I will pay you all! Now, having compassion, the lord of that slave dismisses him, and remits his loan. Yet, coming out, that slave found one of his fellow slaves, who owed him a hundred denarii, and, holding him, he choked him, saying, 'Pay, if you are owing anything!" Falling down, then, his fellow slave entreated him, saying, 'Be patient with me, and I will pay you all!' Yet he would not, but, coming away, he casts him into jail, till he may pay what he is owing. Then his fellow slaves, perceiving what is occurring, were tremendously sorry and coming, they elucidate to their lord all that is occurring. Then his lord, calling him to him, is saying to him, 'Wicked slave! That entire debt I remit to you, since you entreat me. Was it not binding on you also to be merciful to your fellow slave, as I also am merciful to you?' And, being indignant, his lord gives him up to the tormentors till he mav pay all he is owing him. Thus shall My heavenly Father also be doing to you, if each one should not be pardoning his brother, from your hearts.” (Mt 18:21-35)

"Whenever you may be praying, be saying, 'Our Father, Who art in the heavens, hallowed be Thy name! Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, on earth also…And pardon us our sins, for we ourselves also are pardoning everyone who is owing us."(Mt 11:2,4)

"Blessed indeed, then, are those who are hearing the word of God and maintaining it!" (Mt 11:28

“For everyone exalting himself shall be humbled, and humbling himself shall be exalted." (Lk 14:1)

“Take heed to yourselves. Yet if your brother should be sinning, rebuke him, and if he should ever indeed repent, forgive him. And if he should ever be sinning against you seven times a day, and if he should ever be turning about seven times a day to you, saying '1 am repenting,' you shall be forgiving him." (Lk 17:3)

“And whenever you may be standing praying, be forgiving, if you have anything against anyone, that your Father also, Who is in the heavens, may be forgiving you your offenses. Now if you are not forgiving, neither will your Father Who is in the heavens be forgiving your offenses." (Mk 11:26)

"A new commandment am I giving you, that you be loving one another; according as I love you, that you also be loving one another. By this all shall be knowing that you are my disciples, if you should be having love for one another." (Jn 13:34-35)

"This is my commandment, that you be loving one another, according as I love you.” (Jn 15:12)

“In these things I am directing you, that you may be loving one another.” (Jn 15:17)

“These things have I spoken to you that in me you may have peace…” (Jn 16:33)

“Peace to you!” (Jn 20:19)

“Now this He is saying Who is holding the seven stars in his right hand. Who is walking in the midst of the seven golden lampstands: ‘I am aware of your acts, and your toil, and your endurance, and that you cannot bear evil men, and you try those saying that they thernselves are apostles, and they are not, and you found them false; and you have endurance, and you bear because of my name, and are not wearied. But I have against you that you leave your first love. Remember, then, whence you have fallen, repent, and do the former acts. Yet if not, I am coming to you, and shall be moving your lampstand out of its place, if ever you should not be repenting.” (Rv 2:5)

"Lo! I am coming swiftly, and my wage is with me, to pay each one as his work is. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Origin and the Consummation. Blessed are those who are rinsing their robes, that it will be their license to the log of life, and they may be entering the portals into the city.” (Rv 22:14)

I have seen the City, from below and afar. It is beautiful. I want to see it again. Given all of the above, what I can I do but apologize – to all of those here to whom I have shown smugness and arrogance and condescension – to paraclete and Liberator, and byeltsin; and to those to whom I have played the game of “eye-for-an-eye” – Mr White and others I do not remember by name, but I know there have been many, perhaps all.

And then to A K A Stone, my brother in Christ. Will they know we are Christians by our love? Or will they know we are Christians by the way we tear each others’ throats out? We must not do that anymore. It is not right.

In truth, having just been utterly spanked by God, I cannot recall what it was we were fighting about. I do know that we should not resume where we left off. At least I can’t. Peace to all of you. Have a good weekend.

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#1. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

bookmarked for later reading...

Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2017-09-22   18:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

Out-STANDING!

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-22   18:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

Peace, and may your frogs and lizards live long and prosper.

Hondo68  posted on  2017-09-22   19:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

I hate to step on your toes but you are one long-winded, over-sensitive poster. Get over it.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-09-22   19:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: stoner (#0)

self ping

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

Stoner  posted on  2017-09-22   19:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

Next time you talk with the big guy,how about tell him I could really use some help picking lotto numbers?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-22   19:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#6)

I talked with him about the lottery once, trying to hold him to the Biblical "ask and ye shall receive" concept. He told me flatly that he will never give me a lottery win, because I want to rely on money and not him.

I still buy a ticket, to dream, but I know that there is zero chance of winning. And it's true - I never win anything.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-22   20:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

A Conversation With God

So you hear voices. Any other psychotic symptoms.

rlk  posted on  2017-09-22   22:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

"A new commandment am I giving you, that you be loving one another; according as I love you, that you also be loving one another. By this all shall be knowing that you are my disciples, if you should be having love for one another." (Jn 13:34-35)

"This is my commandment, that you be loving one another, according as I love you.” (Jn 15:12)

Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ. His Words presented for all to read in your post!

The quoted above is the "clincher" of all commands.

There is no higher standard to compare to than the Perfection of Christ Jesus.

Thank you for this.

God Bless.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-22   22:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

I think you nailed it!

paraclete  posted on  2017-09-22   23:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

I have seen the City, from below and afar. It is beautiful. I want to see it again

???

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-23   0:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#0)

And a voice came out of the cloud saying, "This is my son, the chosen; Listen to him." (Lk 8:35)

That isn't Luke 8:35.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-23   0:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: rlk (#8)

So you hear voices. Any other psychotic symptoms.

No.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-23   7:36:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#12) (Edited)

And a voice came out of the cloud saying, "This is my son, the chosen; Listen to him." (Lk 8:35)

That isn't Luke 8:35.

You're right. It's Luke 9:35.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-23   7:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#11)

???

Once, God showed me one gate of the City of God, high above and far off. It was very beautiful.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-23   7:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Vicomte13 (#15)

Did God show you in the form of a vision or a child's colouring book all scribbled in?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-09-23   7:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: rlk (#8)

So you hear voices. Any other psychotic symptoms.

Riddle me this, Batman: So when you dream, hear voices. As YOU speak to other alleged people -- is THAT "psychotic"?

Thanks...

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-23   10:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

Good summary! AMEN!

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2017-09-23   11:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

So you hear voices. Any other psychotic symptoms.

No.

So we're seeing an instance of what is known as an encapsulated psychosis. The secondary advantage it gives to you is the capacity to bring toads and lizards back to life and speak with supposed unempeachable authority and superiority. Hang onto your self conferred feeling of greatness and confidence. It's all you have.

rlk  posted on  2017-09-23   13:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: rlk, Vicomte13 (#19)

So we're seeing an instance of what is known as an encapsulated psychosis.

You never did answer MY question at Post#17...

1) When you hear voices in *dreams* and speak to visages that obviously aren't of *this* dimension, should that be considered a "Psychosis," and why not?

2) MOREOVER, with respect to dreams with their illusions of time, space, people, and dynamic events and conversations mimicking THIS material world, why doesn't that present a dilemma to your claim that ONLY a Material/Physical World exists?

3) Lastly -- given *your* own "supposed unempeachable authority and superiority," are you able to disprove Vics' respective claims?

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-23   14:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator (#17)

Riddle me this, Batman: So when you dream, hear voices. As YOU speak to other alleged people -- is THAT "psychotic"?

Not if after I wake up I don't consider them real. I've had dreams where I have seen people I haven't seen for real in 20 years.

rlk  posted on  2017-09-23   14:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: rlk (#21) (Edited)

Not if after I wake up I don't consider them real. I've had dreams where I have seen people I haven't seen for real in 20 years.

Thanks for responding...

Robert, part of my point is that Dream-State "reality" -- or its dimension if you will -- is blended or substituted for our Waking State, yet is NOT of THIS material/physical world. Only upon awakening you can acknowledge and even be aware that those meetings and events with people you haven't seen in 20 years were NOT reality as you or I know it.

ERGO...Food-for-thought: How then can you so readily dismiss a dimension that may well exist (as does our Dream State) once your essence or soul departs THIS Waking-State physical dimension?

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-23   15:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#16)

Did God show you in the form of a vision

It didn't feel like a vision. I thought I was physically there. Maybe I was. In any case, it was a full-body experience.

Obviously you aren't really interested, so let's not talk about it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-23   15:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: rlk (#19)

The secondary advantage it gives to you is the capacity to bring toads and lizards back to life It's all you have.

I didn't bring anything back to life. God did. It was an anole lizard and a tiny mouse.

Actually, I have been blessed in just about as many ways as a human being can be blessed. A great deal has been given to me, and I am very appreciative of all of it.

As far as it grants me unimpeachable authority to speak? Obviously not. I spoke like an arrogant ass for a good long time, and God spanked me even as I prepared this thread.

I do have the ability to say what I have seen and heard, and I am not embarrassed to do so.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-23   15:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rlk (#21)

Not if after I wake up I don't consider them real.

I was not asleep in any of the cases of which I have spoken. These experiences were not dreams.

They are, as you have put it, psychotic hallucinations, or they are real. I know them to be real, and I speak of them as real, because they are.

I do not claim that they give me unimpeachable authority. I do state that they make my belief in God unshakeable. I don't believe, I know. I understand that "faith" does not mean "belief". It means trust.

Just because there exists a powerful being capable of reading my thoughts and manipulating my physical body does not mean, perforce, that that force is benign. It could be malign. I have faith that it is benign, not malign, in my case.

None of this is intended to convince you to believe anything I say. I IS intended to tell you, directly, that you are wrong in believing that God does not exist. He does. You don't know it now because you have not yet seen.

You will.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-23   15:19:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: rlk (#21)

Not if after I wake up I don't consider them real. I've had dreams where I have seen people I haven't seen for real in 20 years.

Did you owe them money?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-23   21:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

I don't believe, I know. I understand that "faith" does not mean "belief". It means trust.

Amen.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-23   21:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Vicomte13 (#23) (Edited)

I thought I was physically there. Maybe I was. In any case, it was a full-body experience.

Great! A full body experience! Now we're into excapist mystical hippie drug talk. I sure can't penetrate that.

rlk  posted on  2017-09-24   0:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: redleghunter (#27)

I don't believe, I know. I understand that "faith" does not mean "belief". It means trust.

Amen.

People lost on the desert trust the illusion of distant mirages.

rlk  posted on  2017-09-24   0:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

you are wrong in believing that God does not exist.

I don't argue that God does not exist. I only argue that there is no evidence that God, if there is one, does not concern or intrude himself with the follies of mankind.

In Alexander Pope's words, "Presume thy self not God to scan. The proper study of mankind is man."

rlk  posted on  2017-09-24   0:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: rlk (#29)

People lost on the desert trust the illusion of distant mirages.

The wind blows wherever it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-24   1:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

“For everyone exalting himself shall be humbled, and humbling himself shall be exalted." (Lk 14:1)

My favorite quote here.

BTW, very good thread. Hopefully it will humble some people here.

goldilucky  posted on  2017-09-24   2:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.(John 11:25-27)

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-24   14:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: rlk (#28) (Edited)

I have never used illegal drugs in my life. I do not take any legal prescription medicines. I have never had any mind-altering drugs prescribed at any time in my life, other than a week of Percocet, twice, when I had really bad sprained ankles.

So no drugs are, or ever have been involved in my life.

I was not drunk nor do I have a regular habit of alcohol consumption. A glass or two of wine at family dinners on the weekends, and maybe a glass of rum when I have some around is about the extent of it.

I can count the number of times I have been drunk in my life on two hands, because I can identify the specific instances and remember each. So no, there isn't alcohol at work here either.

You're going to have to diagnose full psychotic hallucinations, in an otherwise fully functional, intelligent person, with no history of drug or alcohol abuse. And then you're going to to have to have these psychotic hallucinations produce generally positive results in the life of the individual - a very positive psychosis.

You should write it up and publish it, your fellow mental health professionals would no doubt find a case of positive psychosis an interesting exception to the general rule.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-24   15:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: rlk (#29)

People lost on the desert trust the illusion of distant mirages.

There are no deserts in New England.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-24   16:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: rlk (#30)

I only argue that there is no evidence that God, if there is one, does not concern or intrude himself with the follies of mankind.

Yeah, well, you're wrong.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-24   16:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: goldilucky (#32)

BTW, very good thread. Hopefully it will humble some people here.

As the passages were coming together for me, it was clear to me that I needed a lot of humbling.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-24   16:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: redleghunter (#31)

The wind blows wherever it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Now remember that in Hebrew and in Greek, wind and spirit and breath are the same word - Ruach in Hebrew, Pneuma in Greek.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-24   16:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#36) (Edited)

I only argue that there is no evidence that God, if there is one, does not concern or intrude himself with the follies of mankind.

Yeah, well, you're wrong.

World history says I'm correct. It consists primarily of a record of innocent people being killed or enslaved by never-ending assholes.

rlk  posted on  2017-09-24   17:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: rlk, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#39)

World history says I'm correct [in that there is no evidence of God.]

"World history"?? As in, "According to the written word of man, there is no God"? From which source(s) would that be?

It [World History] consists primarily of a record of innocent people being killed or enslaved by never-ending assholes.

Though true to a great degree, are you suggesting that evil behavior has indeed provided irrefutable evidence that God does NOT exist?

OR in the alternative -- are you suggesting that IF God *does* exist (as a great deal of "World History" unequivocally claims), He would intervene upon those who engage in evil acts?

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-24   19:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: rlk (#30)

I only argue that there is no evidence that God, if there is one, does not concern or intrude himself with the follies of mankind.

The follies of mankind are guided by what is referred to as "free will." That is not to say that God dis-concerns himself or ignores His earthly creation or prayers of man as a rule. Far too many people have given testimony that He DID and DOES answers prayers. One prayer He can NOT grant is Everlasting Life in THIS world, this physical dimension.

Do you suggest God intercede upon man's free will?; Do so partially or fully? But...might that kind of "intercession" upon our individual will be considered coercive?

WOULD God demonstrate His concern by emerging in the flesh, in THIS world? Then declaring a moratorium upon ending all death, suffering, sickness, and sickness? COULD he do it? Of course. Have you considered there's a reason that this is not His Plan?

Should He have created a Paradise on Earth? SOME "World History" has claimed He did....But due to man's Free Will he chose his own lot.

Did it occur to you that it is man's "free will" that has caused our own death, dying, and sickness in the first place? Yes, that is indeed a "World History" written by others you've chosen to dispel and dismiss. (Of your own free will of course.)

Man's Fall is well documented as you well know.

It is also left up to man to seek and find a resolution. Of our own Free Will.

In Alexander Pope's words, "Presume thy self not God to scan. The proper study of mankind is man."

Why presume the words of a self-deifying fool and liar provide wisdom and truth?

For an infinitely better and proper source for the study, truth, and wisdom of and for mankind's benefit, 'Proverbs' and 'Ecclesiastes' are worthy of a Full Scan.

NOT believing in a Creator-God and His Purpose is...Il-logical. As is the notion that God left us NO Instructions for THIS life as well as for access to the NEXT. He did. Only by seeking and finding through our own Free Will shall we do so.

Simply ask Him to show you the way.

Over and out.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-24   20:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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