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Title: Deep State Admits They’ve Finally “Gotten a Grip on Trump” Liken Him to George W. Bush
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/deep-state-admits-grip-trump-bush/
Published: Sep 22, 2017
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2017-09-22 10:24:06 by Deckard
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Views: 4965
Comments: 42

It is official. The deep state has admitted that Trump is now under their control and it is now business as usual — just like it was under Bush and Obama — and just like it would’ve been under Hillary.

For those who don’t remember, with the help of mainstream media—from The New York Times to Fox News—after 9/11, Americans were duped into accepting endless war by George W. Bush thanks to a constant bombardment of lies sold to the masses under the guise of “protecting freedom.” All one needs to do to realize no freedoms were protected by these wars, in which thousands of Americans died and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians were slaughtered, is look around today.

With every action recorded, phone tapped, innocent family surveilled, right stripped, and citizen killed by their government, the term “Freedom” has become a mere symbolic representation of the brittle shell of America left behind after being gutted by unelected operatives in the deep state hell bent on total control and perpetual war.

Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and other neocons hailing from the notorious Project for the New American Century (PNAC), co-founded by neoconservative extraordinaire, William “Bill” Kristol, had their agenda of military hegemony clearly laid out, years before 9/11 which Bush would implement for them perfectly.

After Obama promised to end the wars, he quickly fell in line and started several more. And now, this very same thing is happening with Trump.

The deep state neocon/neolib faction has become so successful at shifting the narrative toward irrelevant infighting that no one even notices when their candidate gets into office and does a 180 on damn near every promise they made — Trump included. Here are just two powerful examples of Trump selling out to the deep state.

Saudi Arabia. Before Trump was elected, he admitted that he knew Saudi Arabia funded 9/11. Now, as the world finds this out, Trump gives them hundreds of billions in weapons and calls them our allies.

Afghanistan. Before he was elected, Trump was vehemently opposed to the quagmire in Afghanistan and called it “stupid,” “wasteful,” and “dangerous.” Now, just like his predecessors, he’s doubling down and send thousands more troops into an unwinnable war in which they will kill or be killed only to come home with PTSD or worse.

Dare we say, “We told you so”?

While many had faith that Trump would keep his promises, the fact is that all presidents are puppets and no matter who is in office, the shadow government always wins.

The deep state is so brazen, that the founder of PNAC actually took to MSNBC this week to admit they’ve finally gotten a grip on Trump.

After Trump made his UN speech, promising more war and to annihilate the millions of citizens in North Korea if they should make one wrong move, Bill Kristol himself went on MSNBC to praise him for it.

Kristol said Trump “sounded a little like George W. Bush to me” and that “for all of Donald Trump’s America First talk and repudiation of the Bush-McCain-Romney foreign policy,” it came across as “more standard,” even with the “Trumpian aspects.”

Kristol openly admitted that yes, Trump ran on a non-interventionist policy of peace and actually criticized Bush and Obama for their senseless wars, but now he is just like Bush. But it gets worse.

As to why Trump now sounds like Bush, according to Kristol, it’s because the deep state has officially attached their puppet strings.

“The people around Trump have gotten more of a grip on Trump, I think, in foreign policy, than I would have expected… This is a more normal speech by an American president than I might have thought three, four months ago,” said Kristol.

And just like that, on live TV, the neocon of neocons — who is an unmistakable member and policy writer of the deep state — said that Trump is now a puppet whose very strings are pulled by the Swamp he promised to drain, yet never did.

Yes, this is the same Bill Kristol who just two months ago called Trump a Jackass.

It’s not just the neocons who’ve noticed Trump’s transformation into a deep state neocon puppet either — lots of us have — including former Congressman Ron Paul.

“Who would’ve thought?” Paul noted before epically explaining Trump’s hypocritical transition.

Trump bashed W. and the Iraq War relentlessly during his campaign.

Now, the very same people who brought us the Iraq nightmare are giddy with excitement.

Neocons like John Bolton and Elliot Abrams are so happy to see this new Trump.

Today, the king of the warmongers Bill Kristol says Trump “sounded a little like George W. Bush to me”.

The people who have never been right, and have done unimaginable damage to the United States of America are gearing up to take us back into the abyss.

Donald Trump is their new W.

Welcome to the deep state Donald Trump, we hope you enjoy selling out your base.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Welcome to the deep state Donald Trump, we hope you enjoy selling out your base...Donald Trump is their new W.

OBVIOUS coercion through blackmail and threats can't be considered "selling out."

Ergo, even THIS writer (Matt Agorist) has ironically HIMSELF sold out -- and is now part of the "Deep State" apparatus.

Nice try, Matt, at trying to blow the mind. (I'm being nice here.) Agorist is The Free Thought Project's new neocon hand-puppet

It was obvious affable NWO-Puppet Dubya was a hard-core Globalist' side who needed NO prodding since Day One, NEVER needing to have been throttled into implementing their agenda. Most of us recall how he and Kristol and a bunch of Jihadi pals shared the same bath house towel back in the day

Dubya's motto: "Make Saudi Arabia and Iraq Great" (No, he never did have a MAGA agenda, did he? )

As for Kristol, he among countless others has committed sedition and treason. The tradition and historical penalty of which is well known.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-22   11:41:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Liberator (#1)

As for Kristol, he among countless others has committed sedition and treason. The tradition and historical penalty of which is well known.

Sedition laws are mostly defunct outside of some application if someone is hatching a conspiracy to get our military to refuse their orders. Otherwise, sedition has been off the books for a long time.

Treason requires that you actively collaborate with a credible foreign enemy that poses an active danger to national security or that you willfully (or unintentionally) leak or distribute classified information that damages national security.

You can't accuse Kristol of any of that. He speaks against anyone doing any of those things and has for many years.

Maybe you need to find another windmill to tilt at. And read more real books, not conspiracy nutjob sites.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-22   13:25:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#5)

Sedition laws are mostly defunct...[and] been off the books for a long time.

Maybe you need to find another windmill to tilt at...

"Off the books"? As in Constitutional Laws that are *also* "off the books" because they are simply ignored?

Yes, let's just pretend Sedition" is "mostly defunct" and Treason so technically specific thatKristol is definitely off the hook. BE-CAUSE...you know exactly who he has or hasn't collaborated with, and to what extent -- right?

Treason requires that you actively collaborate with a credible foreign enemy that poses an active danger to national security or that you willfully (or unintentionally) leak or distribute classified information that damages national security.

Lotta leeway in that definition, pardner. But NOT enough to get Kristol, Hitlery, 0bama, Dubya, and countless other members of the NWO Cabal off the hook.

NO. You didn't actually bring up "National Security"??

You're kidding, right? You can hardly afford to lose more credibility...

The number of violations and cases of Sedition AND Treason is clearly off the chart since 911. Some of us recognize the definition of "Sedition" and "Treason" when we see it. OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

Btw -- your brethren hatched a fake "Dossier" on Trump (delivered by McStain himself), illegally wiretapped Trump and his staffers. As just a bowl of chips on the table before the hors d'oeuvres even arrive.

Odd AND interesting that you would defend a Globalist-Firster creep like Kristol, who help mire the USA down into the war in Iraq. (OR maybe NOT.)

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-22   14:24:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator, nolu chan (#6) (Edited)

Well, not to entirely disregard your fact-free stream of diarrheal ignorance but there are some hard facts in your way. Of course, you enjoy tossing terms like sedition and treason around freely, imagining that people are impressed with this, however inapplicable they are to your disagreements on policy.

The Alien and Sedition Acts were four bills passed by the Federalist-dominated 5th United States Congress and signed into law by President John Adams in 1798.[1] They made it harder for an immigrant to become a citizen (Naturalization Act), allowed the president to imprison and deport non-citizens who were deemed dangerous (Alien Friends Act of 1798)[2] or who were from a hostile nation (Alien Enemy Act of 1798),[3] and criminalized making false statements that were critical of the federal government (Sedition Act of 1798).[4]

The Federalists argued that the bills strengthened national security during an undeclared naval war with France. Critics argued that they were primarily an attempt to suppress voters who disagreed with the Federalist party, and violated the right of freedom of speech in the First Amendment.[5] Three of the acts were repealed after the Democratic-Republican party of Thomas Jefferson came to power. But the Alien Enemies Act remained in effect, was revised and codified in 1918 for use in World War I, and was used by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to imprison Japanese, German, and Italian aliens during World War II. Following cessation of hostilities, the act was used by President Harry S. Truman to continue to imprison, then deport, aliens of the formerly hostile nations. In 1948 the Supreme Court determined that presidential powers under the acts continued after cessation of hostilities until there was a peace treaty with the hostile nation. The revised Alien Enemies Act remains in effect today.[when?]

The Naturalization Act increased the residency requirement for American citizenship from five to fourteen years. At the time, the majority of immigrants supported Thomas Jefferson and the Democratic-Republicans, the political opponents of the Federalists.[1] The Alien Friends Act allowed the president to imprison or deport aliens considered "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States" at any time, while the Alien Enemies Act authorized the president to do the same to any male citizen of a hostile nation above the age of fourteen during times of war. Lastly, the controversial Sedition Act restricted speech that was critical of the federal government. Under the Sedition Act, the Federalists allowed people who were accused of violating the sedition laws to use truth as a defense.[6] The Sedition Act resulted in the prosecution and conviction of many Jeffersonian newspaper owners who disagreed with the government.[6]

The acts were denounced by Democratic-Republicans and ultimately helped them to victory in the 1800 election, when Thomas Jefferson defeated the incumbent, President Adams. The Sedition Act and the Alien Friends Act were allowed to expire in 1800 and 1801, respectively. The Alien Enemies Act, however, remains in effect as Chapter 3; Sections 21–24 of Title 50 of the United States Code.[7]

Yes, let's just pretend Sedition" is "mostly defunct"...

I insist it is entirely defunct. You are the one trying to pretend a sedition law is still on the books.

You may as well pretend that the Logan Act is enforceable. And it isn't. Which is why not one person has ever been convicted of a Logan Act violation even if they perhaps should be.

You're kidding, right? You can hardly afford to lose more credibility...

Oh, noes. My reputation at LF is in peril. Whatever shall become of me?

Drama much?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-22   14:56:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative, Liberator, Deckard (#7)

"Off the books"? As in Constitutional Laws that are *also* "off the books" because they are simply ignored?

Yes, let's just pretend Sedition" is "mostly defunct" and Treason so technically specific that Kristol is definitely off the hook. BE-CAUSE...you know exactly who he has or hasn't collaborated with, and to what extent -- right?

U.S. Const., Art. 3, Sec. 3,

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

In what way did Kristol levy war against the United States, and what two witnesses have come forward to attest to the same overt act?

Let's not pretend Sedition is mostly defunct, let's clarify precisely what you are referring to.

The Alien and Sedition Laws of 1798 were repealed, and the party that passed them was put to death.

The WW1 Sedition Act (so called) of 1918 (40 Stat. 553, May 16, 1918) was actually an amendment to the Espionage Act of 1917 (40 Stat. 217, June 15, 1917). H.J. Res. 382, (41 Stat. 1359, March 3, 1921) declared the emergency over and stated,

Provided further, That the Act entitled "An Act to amend section 3, title 1, of the Act entitled `An Act to punish acts of interference with foreign relations, the neutrality, and the foreign commerce of the United States, to punish espionage, and better to enforce the criminal laws of the United States, and for other purposes,' approved June 15, 1917 (Fortieth Statutes, age 217), and for other purposes," approved May 16, 1918 (Fortieth Statutes, page 553), be, and the same is hereby, repealed, and that said section 3 of said Act approved June 15, 1917, is hereby revived and restored with the same force and effect as originally enacted.

The side note to that at 41 Stat. 1360, reads,

Amendment to Espionage Act. Punishing obstructions to sale of bonds, to enlistments, etc., repealed. Former provision revived. Vol. 40, p. 219.

The emergency declared over, the provision lost its force. Both versions began Sec. 3 with, "Whoever, when the United States is at war...." The Sedition Act (actually amendment to the Espionage Act) was repealed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act

The Alien Registration Act, popularly known as the Smith Act, 76th United States Congress, 3d session, ch. 439, 54 Stat. 670, 18 U.S.C. § 2385 is a United States federal statute that was enacted on June 29, 1940. It set criminal penalties for advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government and required all non-citizen adult residents to register with the government.

Approximately 215 people were indicted under the legislation, including alleged communists, anarchists, and fascists. Prosecutions under the Smith Act continued until a series of U.S. Supreme Court decisions in 1957 reversed a number of convictions under the Act, as unconstitutional. The law has been amended several times.

Alien Registration Act, 1940
Effective June 28, 1940
Public law 76-670
54 Stat. 670
Repealed. June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title IV, § 403(a)(39), 66 Stat. 280, eff. Dec. 24, 1952
8 U.S.C. ch. 10 § 451

http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-8/chapter-10/

2015 US Code
Title 8 - Aliens and Nationality (Sections 1 - 1778)
Chapter 10 - Alien Registration (Sections 451 - 460)

Secs. 451 to 460 - Repealed. June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title IV, §403(a)(39), 66 Stat. 280, eff. Dec. 24, 1952

And for current U.S. Supreme Court precedent,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case based on the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." Specifically, it struck down Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence. In the process, Whitney v. California (1927) was explicitly overruled, and doubt was cast on Schenck v. United States (1919), Abrams v. United States (1919), Gitlow v. New York (1925), and Dennis v. United States (1951).

For some definitions.

Alien and sedition laws. Acts of Congress of July 6 and July 14, 1798, which made it a criminal offense to utter or publish any false, scandalous and malicious writings against the federal government with intent to defame it, or bring it into contempt or disrepute or to excite hatred of people or stir up sedition against it. These short-lived acts tightened residency requirements for citizenships, granted presidential powers to deport and jail aliens, and provided penalties for seditious writings or speech critical of the government. See also Sedition.

Sedition. Communication or agreement which has as its objective the stirring up of treason or certain lesser commotions, or the defamation of the government. Sedition is advocating, or with knowledge of its contents knowingly publishing, selling or distributing any document which advocates, or, with knowledge of its purpose, knowingly becoming a member of any organization which advocates the overthrow or reformation of the existing form of government of this state by violence or unlawful means. An insurrectionary movement tending towards treason, but wanting an overt act; attempts made by meetings or speeches, or by publications, to disturb the tranquillity of the state. See 18 U.S.C.A. § 2383 et seq. See also Alien and sedition laws; Smith Act.

Seditious conspiracy. Under federal statute, it is a crime for two or more persons in any State or Territory to conspire to overthrow or put down or destroy by force the Government of the United States. 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384.

Seditious libel. A communication written with the intent to incite the people to change the government otherwise than by lawful means, or to advocate the overthrow of the government by force or violence. Smith Act, 18 U.S.CA § 2385. See Alien and sedition laws.

Seditious speech. Oral advocacy of the overthrow of the government by force or violence. See Sedition.

Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed.

Current law does contain the following on Seditious Conspiracy,

http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-18/part-i/chapter-115/

2015 US Code
Title 18 - Crimes and Criminal Procedure (Sections 1 - 6005)
Part I - Crimes (Sections 1 - 2725)
Chapter 115 - Treason, Sedition, and Subversive Activities (Sections 2381 - 2391)

Table of Contents
Front Matter

Sec. 2381 - Treason
Sec. 2382 - Misprision of treason
Sec. 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Sec. 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
Sec. 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government
Sec. 2386 - Registration of certain organizations
Sec. 2387 - Activities affecting armed forces generally
Sec. 2388 - Activities affecting armed forces during war
Sec. 2389 - Recruiting for service against United States
Sec. 2390 - Enlistment to serve against United States
Sec. 2391 - Repealed. Pub. L. 103-322, title XXXIII, §330004(13), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2142

http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-18/part-i/chapter-115/sec.-2384/

2015 US Code
Title 18 - Crimes and Criminal Procedure (Sections 1 - 6005)
Part I - Crimes (Sections 1 - 2725)
Chapter 115 - Treason, Sedition, and Subversive Activities (Sections 2381 - 2391)
Sec. 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

18 U.S.C. § 2384 (2015)

§2384. Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, §1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

HISTORICAL AND REVISION NOTES

Based on title 18, U.S.C., 1940 ed., §6 (Mar. 4, 1909, ch. 321, §6, 35 Stat. 1089).

AMENDMENTS

1994—Pub. L. 103–322 substituted "fined under this title" for "fined not more than $20,000".

1956—Act July 24, 1956, substituted "$20,000" for "$5,000", and "twenty years" for "six years".

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1956 AMENDMENT

Act July 24, 1956, ch. 678, §3, 70 Stat. 624, provided that: "The foregoing amendments [amending this section and section 2385 of this title] shall apply only with respect to offenses committed on and after the date of the enactment of this Act [July 24, 1956]."

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-22   22:27:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: nolu chan, Tooconservative, Deckard (#18)

We all know the parsing of words (as with the US Constitution ) can easily be manipulated, re-construed, re-interpreted, and re-applied.

Some may indeed claim there IS no concrete or definitive application of either "Sedition" or "Treason." Some will also use their own eyes and ears with which to discern whether "Sedition" as well as "Treason" HAS indeed been committed -- and find proper application as any decent attorney could and would.

Like the riddle, "Does a tree in the forest make a sound if no one hears it," so too is, "WAS SEDITION AND TREASON ACTUALLY COMMITTED IF NO ONE INVESTIGATES THEN PROSECUTES IT"??

Frankly, if truly scrutinized to a fingernail's depth as to what has transpired in this so-called "gubmint" and supposed "Constitutional Republic," We'd soon run out of lamp-posts and rope.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-23   11:17:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Liberator (#21)

Like the riddle, "Does a tree in the forest make a sound if no one hears it," so too is, "WAS SEDITION AND TREASON ACTUALLY COMMITTED IF NO ONE INVESTIGATES THEN PROSECUTES IT"??

Really, one of the dumber things you've ever said, as though the two things are remotely comparable.

And, yes, of course a falling tree makes exactly the same sound whether a human being is there to hear it or not.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-23   12:35:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tooconservative (#22)

Really, one of the dumber things you've ever said, as though the two things are remotely comparable.

Thanks for confirming my suspicion :-)

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-23   13:07:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#23)

Maybe you should just put down the bong. It doesn't make you smarter even if you think it feels that way.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-23   13:12:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#25. To: Tooconservative (#24)

From the guy who shares smokes (or is it a pipe?) with Bill Kristol? Funny.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-23 13:31:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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