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Title: "Shut down ICE!": Amnesty activists shout down Pelosi over DREAM deal with Trump
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2017/09 ... shout-pelosi-dream-deal-trump/
Published: Sep 18, 2017
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2017-09-18 18:09:28 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 177
Comments: 20

As of mid-afternoon on Monday, it’s already a cinch you won’t watch anything more enjoyable online this week than this.

Remember this post from Friday night? Words can’t capture how funny it’ll be if the open-borders left muscles Schumer and Pelosi into walking away from a DREAM deal with Trump standing by, ready and willing to sell out. Seeing Pelosi squirm face to face with the radical amnesty shills Democrats have created is but a simple pleasure. The deeper pleasure is knowing that if you dislike the idea of a DREAM compromise in which DACA enrollees get citizenship and border hawks get a few border security upgrades plus some magic beans, these shrieking idiots might be your best friends right now. There’s not much the right can do to stop Trump given how loyal Republicans are to him. There *are* things the left can do to stop Schumer and Pelosi.
“You called this press conference in our name to defend the so-called Dream Act, but you already traded in our parents in our name,” the crowd chanted among a series of other accusations…

“We demand a clean bill that protects immigrant youth without hurting our families,” the protesters chanted.

They accused Mrs. Pelosi and her fellow Democrats of giving into Mr. Trump’s “deportation machine” and accused her of using Dreamers as a “bargaining chip.”

Actually, it’s the GOP that’s using DREAMers as a bargaining chip. They’ll trade amnesty for border security, which is Pelosi’s bargaining chip. That’s one of the great travesties of America’s modern immigration debate: Securing the border is a partisan concession for Democrats, to be made only in exchange for legalizing lawbreaking.

Still, the DREAMers aren’t being wholly irrational here. It’s *mostly* irrational not to lock down a statutory amnesty when you have a border hawk in the White House who could tear up DACA at any time and start deporting DREAMers en masse. If he’s willing to give up that power, take him up on it! He might even get enough good press from doing a deal that he’ll take an interest in a broader comprehensive plan to legalize most of the result of America’s illegal population. When your party’s out of the White House, in the minority in both houses of Congress, and staring at a near impossible map in the Senate next year, you take what you can get now. But there’s also a chance that doing an amnesty for DREAMers and no one else will exhaust Republicans’ appetite for immigration deals for the next decade or more. If your paramount goal is legalizing all illegals, not just the most sympathetic ones, arguably the DREAMers here are right that Schumer and Pelosi should hold out and see if they can get Trump to bite on an all-or-nothing comprehensive deal. Clearly he wants to legalize DREAMers and avoid the bad press that would come from deporting them. Democrats are giving up their leverage over a national amnesty by agreeing to one for DREAMers alone.

Or is that not the goal at all? I get the sense listening to these people that even if Schumer and Pelosi negotiated an amnesty for all 11 million illegals with Trump, they’d be out there screaming if the deal involved major enforcement upgrades like E-Verify, the RAISE Act, and the wall. Amnesty isn’t really the paramount objective; continued amnesties, i.e. open borders, is. Nothing except a unilateral amnesty without security improvements might do. That’ll be a fun task on the next Democratic president’s to-do list.

A clearly shaken Nancy Pelosi mutters "they don't want the DREAM Act" about pro DACA protesters who interrupt press conference. pic.twitter.com/88kPHlaStg

— Scott McGrew (@ScottMcGrew) September 18, 2017

"Shut down ICE!" Dreamers confront Nancy Pelosi about immigration, negotiations with Trump over DACA. WATCH LIVE: https://t.co/faywo3TzJV pic.twitter.com/jdcYfmJDRe

— NBC Bay Area (@nbcbayarea) September 18, 2017

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

To me, the wall is a separate issue and a done deal. Trump must build the wall or it's 4 and out.

Linking the wall to Dreamer legislation is as senseless as linking the Paris Accords, NAFTA or tax reform to Dreamer legislation.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-18   18:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

Trump must build the wall or it's 4 and out.

I keep thinking he must know that, no matter what Javanka are cooing in his ear.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-18   19:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative, Trouble in Aztlan (#0)

And after twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on His head /s

hondo68  posted on  2017-09-18   19:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#3)

Different camera angle, a little better audio than in the clip I posted. But the same event.

Nancy looked kinda sad.

Apparently, Soros will have to get his rent-a-mob under better control for Nancy's next staged protest event.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-18   20:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#1)

To me, the wall is a separate issue and a done deal. Trump must build the wall or it's 4 and out.

AMEN!

And incidenently, there is no such thing as a dreamer. That's just a fancy invented label for invader.

rlk  posted on  2017-09-18   22:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: rlk (#5)

And incidenently, there is no such thing as a dreamer. That's just a fancy invented label for invader.

Hey, I'm a dreamer. I dream that Trump will fulfill his campaign promises and deport all these illegals like he said he would thousands of times to cheering crowds.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-18   22:43:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)

And incidenently, there is no such thing as a dreamer. That's just a fancy invented label for invader.

Hey, I'm a dreamer. I dream that Trump will fulfill his campaign promises and deport all these illegals like he said he would thousands of times to cheering crowds.

I'm afraid that his campaign promises were an illusion and we are being sold out by a carnival huckster.

rlk  posted on  2017-09-18   23:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: rlk (#7)

I'm afraid that his campaign promises were an illusion and we are being sold out by a carnival huckster.

I'm as cynical as the next guy but I'll wait until he actually breaks his pledge and goes for the Shamnesty.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-18   23:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Heck, Trump just has to fiddle while the clowns seek to outdo one another at demonstrating idiocy. They will wake up on day and realize that DACA is as dead as DAPA, and the DREAM Act never was. And Trump can say it is all the fault of a Congress that can't get anything done.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/09/05/memorandum-rescission-daca

Memorandum on Rescission Of Deferred Action For Childhood Arrivals (DACA)

Release Date: September 5, 2017

[...]

FROM:

Elaine C. Duke
Acting Secretary

SUBJECT:

Rescission of the June 15, 2012 Memorandum Entitled “Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion with Respect to Individuals Who Came to the United States as Children”

This memorandum rescinds the June 15, 2012 memorandum entitled “Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion with Respect to Individuals Who Came to the United States as Children,” which established the program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (“DACA”). For the reasons and in the manner outlined below, Department of Homeland Security personnel shall take all appropriate actions to execute a wind-down of the program, consistent with the parameters established in this memorandum.

[...]

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-18   23:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#9)

Heck, Trump just has to fiddle while the clowns seek to outdo one another at demonstrating idiocy. They will wake up on day and realize that DACA is as dead as DAPA, and the DREAM Act never was. And Trump can say it is all the fault of a Congress that can't get anything done.

That wouldn't surprise me at all.

Congress will try to say they tried but Trump wouldn't lead (in the way 0bama led on 0bamaCare).

Trump will say, as Bush said of his request that they pass a renewal of the assault weapons ban, that he asked them to pass it and offered to work with them at every step.

Trump could, for instance, "work" with them by tossing Twitter-sized hand grenades into any little palaver they cook up.

Unfortunately, I think Trump would actually want them to pass it. However, his attempt to help pass 0bamaCare repeal backfired badly enough that you might not be able to tell much difference between Trump helping Congress and Trump tossing hand grenades at them on Twitter.

I think it's time to start another shutdown of the Congressional switchboard. You recall during the last two Shamnesty attempts, they had to pull the plug on it because every line into the Capitol rang off the hook 24/7 for weeks. Drove 'em crazy. And scared them enough not to pass it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-18   23:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan (#9)

And Trump can say it is all the fault of a Congress that can't get anything done.

Pelosi got crapped on by her own constituents over DACA. They want amnesty for ALL illegals and will settle for nothing less.

I literally cannot imagine what the bill would have to look like to get enough votes to pass. The Dream Act languished in Congress for 10 years because of that. This will, too.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   9:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#11)

I literally cannot imagine what the bill would have to look like to get enough votes to pass. The Dream Act languished in Congress for 10 years because of that. This will, too.

We're on the same page here.

Pelosi must have been furious that her astroturf was backtalking her in public. LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   11:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#11)

I literally cannot imagine what the bill would have to look like to get enough votes to pass.

Here is a bipartisan effort.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-19   19:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan (#13)

Here is a bipartisan effort.

It has bipartisan sponsors, but that's about it.

This is the Democrat's wet dream. It "would allow permanent residence — and a path to citizenship — for children of undocumented immigrants if they came to this country as children, get a high school degree or GED, pass a background check and English proficiency test, and have no criminal record".

The Republican version was introduced in the House as H.R. 1468 with 30 cosponsors, all Republicans. "Children of undocumented immigrants — who pursue higher education, military service, or work authorization — would be allowed to apply for five-year “conditional status” followed by the ability to re-apply for a five-year “permanent status.” It also allows the government to deport or remove the legal status of anybody on the program if they don’t stay employed or stay in school."

These two bills will never mesh, much less pass.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   21:06:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#14)

First there was DACA, then they tried DAPA, and then they tried RACA. I love the names they come up with for this stuff. And why are all applicable "America's Children" somehow illegal aliens, citizens of some other country, illegally present in the United States of America?

Naturalization is the pathway to citizenship for aliens, lawfully present in the United States. Illegal aliens are unlawfully present and, if they stayed for 100 years, would still be unlawfully present, and would forever remain with no path to citizenship under current law.

Any grant of legal status in the country will act as a path to citizenship by removing the disqualifying factor. Making believe it is not a pathway to citizenship by not saying it is, or saying the legal status is conditional or temporary, is just making believe. Naturalization requires the alien to be lawfully present, it does not require permanent status or a green card.

As you observe, no majority could be found to vote for this crap. For many, it would be a case of suicide come election day.

What a "successful" bill needs to do is make the people believe a grant of lawful status is not a grant of a pathway to citizenship. Nothing short of a grant of legal status will be acceptable to the illegal aliens and their supporters.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-19   23:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nolu chan (#15)

Nothing short of a grant of legal status will be acceptable to the illegal aliens and their supporters.

A grant of legal status to ALL illegals as demanded by the crowd surrounding Pelosi.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-20   10:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nolu chan (#15)

Any grant of legal status in the country will act as a path to citizenship by removing the disqualifying factor.

True. They'll tell us all about that later. After the bill passes and they're out of office.

But an even bigger probem is the children of the Dreamers. Since they arrived, 25% of the 800,000 Dreamers have children born here. While we're dickin' around trying to figure out what to do with the Dreamers, they're popping out 200,000 (and counting) children who are automatically U.S. citizens.

We need a 14th amendment challenge to stop this takeover of our country. That would have a far larger impact on illegals.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-20   10:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#17)

But an even bigger probem is the children of the Dreamers. Since they arrived, 25% of the 800,000 Dreamers have children born here. While we're dickin' around trying to figure out what to do with the Dreamers, they're popping out 200,000 (and counting) children who are automatically U.S. citizens.

We need a 14th amendment challenge to stop this takeover of our country. That would have a far larger impact on illegals.

They can deport the parents. The parents can take the children with them, if they choose.

A 14th Amdt fix could deny citizenship to a baby of an illegal alien.

The census could be reformed to exclude illegal aliens.

Representation in Congress could be limited to a head count of citizens, not a head count of all humans. It would take away an incentive to import aliens. Some small states get less representatives total than California gets on the basis of its illegal alien population. American citizens in Puerto Rico get no voting representative in Congress; illegal aliens in California do.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-20   15:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: nolu chan (#18)

Representation in Congress could be limited to a head count of citizens, not a head count of all humans.

Let's compromise and count illegals as 3/5 of a citizen.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-20   17:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: misterwhite (#19)

Let's compromise and count illegals as 3/5 of a citizen.

Let's not count them at all.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-20   19:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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