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Title: Catholic Internet poster -God raised a lizard and a mouse from the dead because I said please. Claims God healed his broken neck and spine. Also says Christ does not treat Christians' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die
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Published: Sep 17, 2017
Author: Vicomte13s words quoted by A K A Stone
Post Date: 2017-09-17 01:29:08 by A K A Stone
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Lets contrast the two different takes that this vic guy takes. On the one hand he claims God will answer his prayer to raise a lizard and a mouse from the dead. But god will not heal a sick christian. This is bizarre. This is very telling about Vic.
Here is the first quote taken from libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38701
(1) When I was a boy, I dove off a dock into a shallow, rocky lake alone. I broke my neck and severed by spinal cord, and was completely paralyzed and drowning at the bottom of the like. I asked God "Please", and he healed me and allowed me to rise and walk away. I told no one until decades later.
(2) A very dead lizard was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please".
(3) A dead mouse was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please".
There, those are three true miracles, things that snap the laws of physics in half and that have no explanation. In all three cases a direct personal prayer to God consisting of one word persuaded God to grant the miracle. In all three cases I was alone: these were private theophanies and miracles, not public things. They revealed God to ME; they have no power to reveal him to anybody ELSE, because nobody would ever believe me if these were necessary to prove God to THEM. And in none of the cases did they PROVE God to me - I already knew God was. They were gifts, charisms, nothing more. They weren't FOR any of you, and they aren't for you to argue with me about.
Now here is his contradictory claim found right here
libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...? ArtNum=52686&Disp=14#C14
Christ does not treat Chrsitans' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die, and come to him.
Similarly for starvation. Christ lets hundreds of millions of Christans starve to death. They bear their cross to the end and have their reward in the next life.
Christ never promised health and happiness in this life - in fact, he promised that those things won't be found here.
So you're right - I have absolutely no belief at all that Christ will reach down from heaven and protect Christians from any diseases, or marauding enemies, or starvation, or natural disaster - because he DOESN'T protect us from any of things, and never said he would. Our reward for staying true to him is found on the other side, in the afterlife, not HERE.
If you have diabetes here, praying to Christ will keep you faithful to him to the end and win you the afterlife, but you're still going to lose your foot in THIS life, because Christ isn't going to lift a finger to protect you from the natural law, or from the marauding of other men. You have to help yourself in this life - Christ holds out the promise of happiness in the afterlife if, in the process of helping yourself in this one you don't do great evil, and you remember him and try to do what he said. That's the deal.
That Christ substitutes for human government in this life is impiety. It is ignoring what he really said, and adding nonsense to it that he never said.
Christ will not govern your country. He won't save you from malaria, or hurricanes, or earthquakes, or Nazis. He will have compassion on you, and receive your soul when they kill you, but he won't stop them from killing you, he won't drive off your diseases if you drink contaminated water, and he won't make hurricane Irma spare your life. He might on a one-off basis, but Christians at large get no pass, at all, from natural law.
Christ's deal is not about here.
Wow can anyone think of any possible way that Vic can reconcile these two mutually exclusive beliefs? I sure can't and I think he is nuts if he thinks he raised a lizard from the dead. Double nuts if he raised a mouse also.
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Well, your title is a little over the top. And it's too long. I never understood why anyone would even want to ask God to resurrect a mouse or a lizard. A horse or dog or even a cat, those I would understand.
What's bizarre about it, AKA, Stone? Don't you read scripture?
What is bizarre is that Vic claims god doesn't answer prayers to help people in this world. Except for him.
You are such a liar. I never claimed that God does not answer prayers. Quite the opposite. I point to my own prayers and miracles as proof that he does. Now, he may never do it for YOU, because you're a liar who hates people. But you are not "everybody else in the world except me". You are just you. Then again, the rain falls on the wicked as well as the good, so for all I know he has sent miracles to you too - your life being the first. It is strange that you call yourself a man of God, and then directly attack what God has wrought. In any case, I'll confine my discussion of theology to the Economics of God thread, because to discuss it with a mean, inveterate liar like you is to cast pearls before swine.
Vic you lie when you call me a liar. Here is what you said. So you're right - I have absolutely no belief at all that Christ will reach down from heaven and protect Christians from any diseases, or marauding enemies, or starvation, or natural disaster - because he DOESN'T protect us from any of things, and never said he would. So you must be special because god only answers prayers for you. You call yourself a man of god then you say you want to murder millions of other people so the ones that survive can have modern comforts. So man up and own your hypocrisies. Then you claim god raised animals from the dead for you. You are a liar vic.
I don't think you will be discussing to much here with that bad attitude. Calling me a liar for pointing out your contradictions and bold hypocrisy. I'm going to keep pounding you and pounding you with scripture. You only offer your words as gods words. Vic you are not God.
Here it is again vic. You are a documented liar. "So you're right - I have absolutely no belief at all that Christ will reach down from heaven and protect Christians from any diseases, or marauding enemies, or starvation, or natural disaster - because he DOESN'T protect us from any of things, and never said he would." Absolutely no belief huh. I predict you will avoid this thread because it shows you a liar and you cannot lawyer talk your way out of it.
God is a result of speculative mythology that does not intervene in the affairs of men. Some cultures believe in 10 or 15 gods which may make them superior to our culture. When General Malmoud invaded India he sent carts back to his caliph with 10 thousand Indian heads to show how well how well he was doing in conquering the infidels. Most of them were praying for God's help before islamic swords hit their necks. Over the next centuries it required 88 million Indian lives to punish the infidels.
That reply was directed at Vicompt.
God doesn't answer prayer to help people in this world. What He does answer are your prayers in need for His guidance.
How?
With a boot in the ass from the Holy Ghost! Is there any fact based evidence to support your opinion?
This wouldn't be the first time ol Vicomte13 choked on his own puke. Would it your worshipfulness.
God builds faith in those who believe in Him. He does so through answered prayers and yes miracles. God also builds faith in those who waiver and need reassurance. God also builds faith to preserve those who are His. Sometimes this building of faith is done by a no kidding miracle; sometimes through answered prayers of His saints on earth, the ekklesia (church). God is living and active through the Holy Spirit in all ages. In all cases what He does to us and through us is for the Glory of Jesus Christ. So wondering why you belittle Vic for sharing his moments where God specifically built faith in Vic's life. Will I too be belittled if I share the moments where God built faith in me. Frankly, I won't share as it was for me.
The bride of Jesus Christ, His church resides here on earth. He sure does have a "deal" here.
Only if one sticks their head in the sand.
Sure He does.
No, Christ's deal is if you buy a story from con men that obedience to them and suffering in this life will get you rewarded by a pleasant life after you're dead granted by a hypothetical being nobody has ever seen. To hell with that shit.
Only if one sticks their head in the sand. Nobody sticks their had in sand at my house. Thats wishful thinking on your part.
His "church" are the people...not earth. Your body is the temple and the spirit of God dwells within it. And right now, He does not have a "deal" here at all but instead a major controversy with all people from all nations of the earth. So keep your head in the sand and refer to some of us who believe in Him by faith alone as idiots but we know better than that. It is not by salvation through your works through man because they are useless to God. It is your faith alone in Him that will save you! No priest, pastor, rabbi, or pope is higher than God. None of them! They cannot save you at all.
So keep your head in the sand and refer to some of us who believe in Him by faith alone as idiots but we know better than that. It is not by salvation through your works through man because they are useless to God. It is your faith alone in Him that will save you! No priest, pastor, rabbi, or pope is higher than God. None of them! They cannot save you at all. Don't know how that is a response to my post. Christ's church, His ekklesia are His people. So wonder why I got that response. He still takes care of our needs here on earth. He said He would and He does. Again no idea why you provided a faith vs works sermon. It does not address what I wrote. Can you explain why you did?
That was me quoting Vic. I'm in agreement with you. I posted this because Vic said god doesn't' help people here it is for the next life. While at the same time claiming God healed him and raised a dead mouse and lizard for him. My point is to show that he isn't consistent. God certainly will answer your prayers here in this world. He wouldn't have said ask and ye shall receive and many other verses.
Suffering in this life. Where did you get that?
This is what you wrote: His church resides here on earth. He sure does have a "deal" here. Earth is His footstool. The people are his church. He has a controversy (not a deal) with all the people on his footstool.
Our reward for staying true to him is found on the other side, in the afterlife, not HERE. Simply...(and I could be wrong)... I think Vic's post is about context. He compares and contrasts how God CAN AND WILL intercede when prayer is heard. But only on HIS terms, and for His own reason and purpose we may not know. Vic then concludes that we must all die in our sin in any case. THAT SAID, where Vic is wrong is in that asserting, "Christ's deal is not about here." It most certain IS. Christ's "deal" with the Father was that HE would take every sin of man ONTO HIM in order that we be "clean," aka "sinless" by proxy to enter God's Kingdom. Otherwise we are as "filthy rags." NO MAN IS SIN-LESS. OUR deal with JESUS CHRIST (God in the Flesh) is that we believe on Him.
Is that what you meant, Vic? Plead clarify. Thanks.
Nevermind. I just read Post #4.
Can we start from a baseline? WHAT created the intricacy of man, his physical manifestation as well as his non-physical sentience, then blended BOTH together?
If He obviously did, would you be a Believer?
Is it possible He does both? Is it possible we hear Him, yet our free will gets side-tracked and we listen to ourselves instead?
Lol
Wisdom.
Amen!
Odd. IQ of 160, dedicated scholar of many things, invested mightily of mind and body your entire life and blessed in those regards -- but you don't know WHAT "Christ's Deal" actually is. You (like others here) rage against an entity you believe doesn't exist, yet you believe He cheats us out of Eternal Life. By what merit do you deserve Eternal Life? ALL things die. All life suffers. This world is fallen. (Or have you not heard?) With the last of your mental and physical energies and free will, Robert, you owe it to yourself -- to your eternal self -- to make on final investment: "WHAT IS CHRIST'S DEAL?"
Plead clarify. Of course it isn't what I mean. It isn't what I said either. I've always been truthful, and careful, when writing about the subject. I use a lot of qualified language, a lot of "ifs". I cannot get a fair hearing in this kangaroo court from the Christian Taliban, so I've decided to shake the dust off my sandals here and go do something more useful and pleasant with my time. No need to look over at that Economics of God thread either. It won't be getting longer. It's been good talking with you over the years.
For the record you have been beat. I didn't call you any names. I just quoted you. You cannot defend your comment. You cannot defend prayer beads. You cannot defend your economics thread. Regardless good luck. You have taught us that Catholics don't believe all the Bible. The pope over rules the Bible and contradicts it. And that you are ok with that in fact it is your philosophy.
Of course it isn't what I mean. It isn't what I said either. What he means is miracles for he but not for the. He clearly said God will not help you in this world. Yet God helped him in this world. Hypocrite. Or ignorant.
So far, so good... And right now, He does not have a "deal" here at all but instead a major controversy with all people from all nations of the earth. The "deal" remains for ALL who accept it. Isn't that your understanding of what the Gospel is all about? Any "major controversy" is about "those who reject the free gift of Grace" -- God in the Flesh, the sin-less Jesus Christ, who died in OUR place... ...We who are all as "filthy rags," sinners who have NO right of our own volition or deed to enter such a holy place as the Kingdom of God for Eternity. It is not by salvation through your works through man because they are useless to God. It is your faith alone in Him that will save you! No priest, pastor, rabbi, or pope is higher than God. None of them! They cannot save you at all. Though God does consider "works" (but not counted at "points" toward Salvation), you mostly get an AMEN outta me there. (What again was your beef with Red??)
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#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#3. To: goldilucky (#2)
What's bizarre about it, AKA, Stone? Don't you read scripture?
#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
You are such a liar. I never claimed that God does not answer prayers. Quite the opposite. I point to my own prayers and miracles as proof that he does.
#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
In any case, I'll confine my discussion of theology to the Economics of God thread, because to discuss it with a mean, inveterate liar like you is to cast pearls before swine.
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
You are such a liar. I never claimed that God does not answer prayers. Quite the opposite. I point to my own prayers and miracles as proof that he does.
#8. To: A K A Stone (#0)
God will raise lizards and mice from the dead and save me from drowning but he will never answer anyone elses prayers to save them from natural disasters diseases, starvation, marauding enemies
#9. To: All (#8)
#10. To: A K A Stone (#3)
#11. To: goldilucky (#10)
#12. To: buckeroo (#11)
How?
/s
#13. To: hondo68 (#12)
(Edited)
#14. To: buckeroo (#13)
Is there any fact based evidence to support your opinion?
Acts 4:31 ►
Prayed, shaken, the Holy Ghost.
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spoke the word of God with boldness. /s
#15. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#7)
You are a documented liar.
#16. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#0)
#17. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Christ's deal is not about here.
#18. To: rlk (#8)
God is a result of speculative mythology that does not intervene in the affairs of men
#19. To: goldilucky (#10)
God doesn't answer prayer to help people in this world
#20. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Christ's deal is not about here.
#21. To: redleghunter (#18)
God is a result of speculative mythology that does not intervene in the affairs of men
#22. To: redleghunter (#17)
The bride of Jesus Christ, His church resides here on earth. He sure does have a "deal" here.
#23. To: goldilucky (#22)
His "church" are the people...not earth. Your body is the temple and the spirit of God dwells within it. And right now, He does not have a "deal" here at all but instead a major controversy with all people from all nations of the earth.
#24. To: redleghunter (#17)
Christ's deal is not about here. The bride of Jesus Christ, His church resides here on earth. He sure does have a "deal" here.
#25. To: rlk (#20)
nd suffering in this life
#26. To: redleghunter (#17)
#27. To: A K A Stone, vicomte13 (#0)
(Edited)
So you're right - I have absolutely no belief at all that Christ will reach down from heaven and protect Christians from any diseases, or marauding enemies, or starvation, or natural disaster - because he DOESN'T protect us from any of things, and never said he would.
#28. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#3)
What is bizarre is that Vic claims god doesn't answer prayers to help people in this world. Except for him.
#29. To: Vicomte13 (#28)
#30. To: rlk (#8)
God is a result of speculative mythology that does not intervene in the affairs of men.
#31. To: rlk (#8)
God...does not intervene in the affairs of men.
#32. To: goldilucky (#10)
God doesn't answer prayer to help people in this world. What He does answer are your prayers in need for His guidance.
#33. To: hondo68 (#12)
#34. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#16)
#35. To: redleghunter (#17)
The bride of Jesus Christ, His church resides here on earth. He sure does have a "deal" here.
#36. To: rlk (#20)
(Edited)
Christ's deal is...
#37. To: Liberator (#28)
Is that what you meant, Vic?
#38. To: Vicomte13 (#37)
#39. To: Vicomte13, liberator (#37)
Is that what you meant, Vic? Plead clarify.
#40. To: goldilucky, redleghunter (#22)
His "church" are the people...not earth. Your body is the temple and the spirit of God dwells within it.
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