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Title: Catholic Internet poster -God raised a lizard and a mouse from the dead because I said please. Claims God healed his broken neck and spine. Also says Christ does not treat Christians' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die
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Published: Sep 17, 2017
Author: Vicomte13s words quoted by A K A Stone
Post Date: 2017-09-17 01:29:08 by A K A Stone
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Lets contrast the two different takes that this vic guy takes. On the one hand he claims God will answer his prayer to raise a lizard and a mouse from the dead. But god will not heal a sick christian. This is bizarre. This is very telling about Vic.
Here is the first quote taken from libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38701
(1) When I was a boy, I dove off a dock into a shallow, rocky lake alone. I broke my neck and severed by spinal cord, and was completely paralyzed and drowning at the bottom of the like. I asked God "Please", and he healed me and allowed me to rise and walk away. I told no one until decades later.
(2) A very dead lizard was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please".
(3) A dead mouse was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please".
There, those are three true miracles, things that snap the laws of physics in half and that have no explanation. In all three cases a direct personal prayer to God consisting of one word persuaded God to grant the miracle. In all three cases I was alone: these were private theophanies and miracles, not public things. They revealed God to ME; they have no power to reveal him to anybody ELSE, because nobody would ever believe me if these were necessary to prove God to THEM. And in none of the cases did they PROVE God to me - I already knew God was. They were gifts, charisms, nothing more. They weren't FOR any of you, and they aren't for you to argue with me about.
Now here is his contradictory claim found right here
libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...? ArtNum=52686&Disp=14#C14
Christ does not treat Chrsitans' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die, and come to him.
Similarly for starvation. Christ lets hundreds of millions of Christans starve to death. They bear their cross to the end and have their reward in the next life.
Christ never promised health and happiness in this life - in fact, he promised that those things won't be found here.
So you're right - I have absolutely no belief at all that Christ will reach down from heaven and protect Christians from any diseases, or marauding enemies, or starvation, or natural disaster - because he DOESN'T protect us from any of things, and never said he would. Our reward for staying true to him is found on the other side, in the afterlife, not HERE.
If you have diabetes here, praying to Christ will keep you faithful to him to the end and win you the afterlife, but you're still going to lose your foot in THIS life, because Christ isn't going to lift a finger to protect you from the natural law, or from the marauding of other men. You have to help yourself in this life - Christ holds out the promise of happiness in the afterlife if, in the process of helping yourself in this one you don't do great evil, and you remember him and try to do what he said. That's the deal.
That Christ substitutes for human government in this life is impiety. It is ignoring what he really said, and adding nonsense to it that he never said.
Christ will not govern your country. He won't save you from malaria, or hurricanes, or earthquakes, or Nazis. He will have compassion on you, and receive your soul when they kill you, but he won't stop them from killing you, he won't drive off your diseases if you drink contaminated water, and he won't make hurricane Irma spare your life. He might on a one-off basis, but Christians at large get no pass, at all, from natural law.
Christ's deal is not about here.
Wow can anyone think of any possible way that Vic can reconcile these two mutually exclusive beliefs? I sure can't and I think he is nuts if he thinks he raised a lizard from the dead. Double nuts if he raised a mouse also.
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#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)
What's bizarre about it, AKA, Stone? Don't you read scripture?
What is bizarre is that Vic claims god doesn't answer prayers to help people in this world. Except for him.
Is that what you meant, Vic? Plead clarify. Thanks.
Plead clarify. Of course it isn't what I mean. It isn't what I said either. I've always been truthful, and careful, when writing about the subject. I use a lot of qualified language, a lot of "ifs". I cannot get a fair hearing in this kangaroo court from the Christian Taliban, so I've decided to shake the dust off my sandals here and go do something more useful and pleasant with my time. No need to look over at that Economics of God thread either. It won't be getting longer. It's been good talking with you over the years.
For the record you have been beat. I didn't call you any names. I just quoted you. You cannot defend your comment. You cannot defend prayer beads. You cannot defend your economics thread. Regardless good luck. You have taught us that Catholics don't believe all the Bible. The pope over rules the Bible and contradicts it. And that you are ok with that in fact it is your philosophy.
I am going to turn the other cheek to your goading. Beaten? Funny, I don't feel beaten. In fact, I feel as though you managed to get where you are here today by systematically ignoring all of the careful things that I've said, by twisting Scripture into a pretzel, by astonishingly poor reading comprehension, and by resorting to repetitive, stubborn lie and frank slander to keep bulldozing forward. And I see that a number of the regular posters on the board falling in line and agreeing with you, a sort of Christian Taliban. Over the years I have heard the argument made many time that Catholics are not Christians. I have always found that absurd, but I am beginning to see the utility of the distinction. I am a Catholic. And you are a Christian. You are welcome to your Christianity - it is rage, lies and slander. I'll stick to my God and my Catholicism. You go do as you please. For my part, I have no interest whatever in continuing the discussion with a raging serial liar and slanderer like you. Jesus advised us to not cast pearls before swine, and - once we have tried, if our kindness is returned with hatred, to shake the dust off our shoes and walk away. I've seen your message, that you do not hate. You Christians don't use words the same way that we Catholics do. I'm going to leave you to talk with each other. I'm through with your lies and your slander. There are some people here I will miss. Anybody who wishes to continue to talk with me can do so - just send me a private mail and I will send you a way to get ahold of me. Adieu.
Is this a lie vic? Catholic Internet poster -God raised a lizard and a mouse from the dead because I said please. Claims God healed his broken neck and spine. Also says Christ does not treat Christians' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die
God raised a lizard and a mouse from the dead because I said please. Claims God healed his broken neck and spine. - this is all true. Also says Christ does not treat Christians' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die - IN GENERAL that is also true. And he usually lets the kid drown. And the kid he saved from drowning will just die later of something else, just as the lizard and the mouse also both died later of something else. You speak of praying to God as though if you just pray, that God will just grant major miracles that will save you from the consequences of your twisted economics, politics, and personal views - that all you gotta do is stick your prayer into the Jesus slot and turn the knob, and Jesus will grant a miracle to save you from the consequences of not doing what he and YHWH said to do. You're wrong. He won't. Why did he save my young life from paralysis and death at the bottom of a lake? Why did he raise those two animals back up? The almighty has his purposes, and I can only surmise what they are. I put them on the board as part of an argument for belief from miracle - God has performed specific miracles and left behind physical traces, not simply oral testimony like mine - of some of them. Those miracles can be studied through modern forensic science, and their miraculous physics-breaking nature is revealed. THAT is specifically why I spoke of my own private miracles - as part of a line of reasoning to cause atheists, agnostics and doubters to look at the forensics of the open miracles, so that they - like Thomas - can have a tangible, concrete thing to hold onto, and thereby open their minds to the possibility of God. Eventually that path will lead to Scripture, but nobody who thinks Scripture is fairy tale is ever going to read it seriously to do anything with it other than tear it apart. So yes, all of things things I said are true. All of it. That YOU have difficulty putting the concepts together is your problem. And now it's MY problem because you're screaming across threads on this board that I'm a liar, you're telling me in private messages that I am a liar over a dinner that I did, in fact reserve. You're quoting Scripture rather randomly, or even in some cases actually confirming the very thing I said (about ancient Israel being the EXCEPTION to the general law against killing, for instance), but you're so blind in your rage that you don't see it. And you've got a little posse here following you around and seconding you. I am the (only) face of Catholicism here, and I am telling the truth. You and your posse are the "Christians" here, and you are falsely accusing me of lying, and slandering me from thread to thread, naming threads after me. Will you change? Nah. Knowing you, you will copy what I said at the end of the last post - that I was walking away - and post THAT and then this post and say "LIAR! You said you were not posting anymore, and here you are! LIAR LIAR LIAR!" I've been writing on this site for years now, ever since LibertyPost went offline. There are people on this site with whom I have been communicating for a decade. I don't think I understood before now just how different Christians and Catholics are. I don't think I understood the depths of the fury on your side. I see it now, I get it. And I don't think there is anything more to say. I'm disgusted, I'm insulted at being repetitively called a liar, and I see no value in going toe-to-toe in public over lies that you have fabricated. These threads are a monument to the difference between my God and yours. I'm sticking with mine, because as far as I can tell, yours does not exist at all, any more than the "facts" about me that you keep making up. I have spoken of actual miracles, real things, and tried to incorporate them into a discussion aimed at helping those who don't see God at all, to have a thread they can follow to open their minds to the possibility. What have you done? Denied. Slandered. Lied. Why should I stay to argue this, because YOU say that if I leave you have won. What have you won? You've managed to drive me off because I don't feel like putting up with slander and bullshit. If that's a "win" for you, I'll let you have it. You have won nothing. You've taken your small site and made it smaller. You flushed out the Catholic and drove him away. So now you can sit and sing Kumbaya together in the darkness. Enjoy it, you've earned it.
#59. To: Vicomte13 (#58)
You're aren't the only Catholic here. Even if you were, that doesn't make you any more representative of Catholics than some LF evangelical can be said to represent all evangelicals. These threads are religious chitchat. They can never be more than that. Why people think that somehow the internet is a mission field is beyond me. It is not and never has been. Chitchatting religious doctrine or experiences is still just chitchat.
Bullshit, I'm a half-assed Catholic too! And there are other Catholics keeping a low profile.
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#3. To: goldilucky (#2)
What's bizarre about it, AKA, Stone? Don't you read scripture?
#28. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#3)
What is bizarre is that Vic claims god doesn't answer prayers to help people in this world. Except for him.
#37. To: Liberator (#28)
Is that what you meant, Vic?
#38. To: Vicomte13 (#37)
#41. To: A K A Stone (#38)
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#54. To: Vicomte13 (#41)
it is rage, lies and slander.
#58. To: A K A Stone (#54)
Replies to Comment # 58. I am the (only) face of Catholicism here
These threads are a monument to the difference between my God and yours.
#63. To: Vicomte13, lifelong Catholics (#58)
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I am the (only) face of Catholicism here, and I am telling the truth.
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