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Title: Catholic Internet poster -God raised a lizard and a mouse from the dead because I said please. Claims God healed his broken neck and spine. Also says Christ does not treat Christians' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die
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Published: Sep 17, 2017
Author: Vicomte13s words quoted by A K A Stone
Post Date: 2017-09-17 01:29:08 by A K A Stone
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Lets contrast the two different takes that this vic guy takes. On the one hand he claims God will answer his prayer to raise a lizard and a mouse from the dead. But god will not heal a sick christian. This is bizarre. This is very telling about Vic.

Here is the first quote taken from libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38701

(1) When I was a boy, I dove off a dock into a shallow, rocky lake alone. I broke my neck and severed by spinal cord, and was completely paralyzed and drowning at the bottom of the like. I asked God "Please", and he healed me and allowed me to rise and walk away. I told no one until decades later.

(2) A very dead lizard was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please".

(3) A dead mouse was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please".

There, those are three true miracles, things that snap the laws of physics in half and that have no explanation. In all three cases a direct personal prayer to God consisting of one word persuaded God to grant the miracle. In all three cases I was alone: these were private theophanies and miracles, not public things. They revealed God to ME; they have no power to reveal him to anybody ELSE, because nobody would ever believe me if these were necessary to prove God to THEM. And in none of the cases did they PROVE God to me - I already knew God was. They were gifts, charisms, nothing more. They weren't FOR any of you, and they aren't for you to argue with me about.

Now here is his contradictory claim found right here

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...? ArtNum=52686&Disp=14#C14

Christ does not treat Chrsitans' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die, and come to him.

Similarly for starvation. Christ lets hundreds of millions of Christans starve to death. They bear their cross to the end and have their reward in the next life.

Christ never promised health and happiness in this life - in fact, he promised that those things won't be found here.

So you're right - I have absolutely no belief at all that Christ will reach down from heaven and protect Christians from any diseases, or marauding enemies, or starvation, or natural disaster - because he DOESN'T protect us from any of things, and never said he would. Our reward for staying true to him is found on the other side, in the afterlife, not HERE.

If you have diabetes here, praying to Christ will keep you faithful to him to the end and win you the afterlife, but you're still going to lose your foot in THIS life, because Christ isn't going to lift a finger to protect you from the natural law, or from the marauding of other men. You have to help yourself in this life - Christ holds out the promise of happiness in the afterlife if, in the process of helping yourself in this one you don't do great evil, and you remember him and try to do what he said. That's the deal.

That Christ substitutes for human government in this life is impiety. It is ignoring what he really said, and adding nonsense to it that he never said.

Christ will not govern your country. He won't save you from malaria, or hurricanes, or earthquakes, or Nazis. He will have compassion on you, and receive your soul when they kill you, but he won't stop them from killing you, he won't drive off your diseases if you drink contaminated water, and he won't make hurricane Irma spare your life. He might on a one-off basis, but Christians at large get no pass, at all, from natural law.

Christ's deal is not about here.

Wow can anyone think of any possible way that Vic can reconcile these two mutually exclusive beliefs? I sure can't and I think he is nuts if he thinks he raised a lizard from the dead. Double nuts if he raised a mouse also.

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#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)

What's bizarre about it, AKA, Stone? Don't you read scripture?

goldilucky  posted on  2017-09-17   3:35:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: goldilucky (#2)

What's bizarre about it, AKA, Stone? Don't you read scripture?

What is bizarre is that Vic claims god doesn't answer prayers to help people in this world. Except for him.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-17   8:10:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#3)

What is bizarre is that Vic claims god doesn't answer prayers to help people in this world. Except for him.

Is that what you meant, Vic?

Plead clarify.

Thanks.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-18   11:58:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#28)

Is that what you meant, Vic?

Plead clarify.

Of course it isn't what I mean. It isn't what I said either.

I've always been truthful, and careful, when writing about the subject. I use a lot of qualified language, a lot of "ifs".

I cannot get a fair hearing in this kangaroo court from the Christian Taliban, so I've decided to shake the dust off my sandals here and go do something more useful and pleasant with my time.

No need to look over at that Economics of God thread either. It won't be getting longer.

It's been good talking with you over the years.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-18   12:22:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Vicomte13 (#37)

For the record you have been beat. I didn't call you any names. I just quoted you.

You cannot defend your comment. You cannot defend prayer beads. You cannot defend your economics thread.

Regardless good luck.

You have taught us that Catholics don't believe all the Bible. The pope over rules the Bible and contradicts it. And that you are ok with that in fact it is your philosophy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-18   12:26:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#41. To: A K A Stone (#38) (Edited)

I am going to turn the other cheek to your goading.

Beaten? Funny, I don't feel beaten. In fact, I feel as though you managed to get where you are here today by systematically ignoring all of the careful things that I've said, by twisting Scripture into a pretzel, by astonishingly poor reading comprehension, and by resorting to repetitive, stubborn lie and frank slander to keep bulldozing forward.

And I see that a number of the regular posters on the board falling in line and agreeing with you, a sort of Christian Taliban.

Over the years I have heard the argument made many time that Catholics are not Christians.

I have always found that absurd, but I am beginning to see the utility of the distinction.

I am a Catholic. And you are a Christian. You are welcome to your Christianity - it is rage, lies and slander. I'll stick to my God and my Catholicism. You go do as you please.

For my part, I have no interest whatever in continuing the discussion with a raging serial liar and slanderer like you.

Jesus advised us to not cast pearls before swine, and - once we have tried, if our kindness is returned with hatred, to shake the dust off our shoes and walk away.

I've seen your message, that you do not hate. You Christians don't use words the same way that we Catholics do. I'm going to leave you to talk with each other. I'm through with your lies and your slander.

There are some people here I will miss. Anybody who wishes to continue to talk with me can do so - just send me a private mail and I will send you a way to get ahold of me.

Adieu.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-18 12:35:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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