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Title: Praying repetitive words using Rosary beads is forbidden
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Published: Sep 16, 2017
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Post Date: 2017-09-16 01:09:18 by A K A Stone
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FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD. Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys", (200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to Psalm 136 that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. Revelation 4:8 has "angels singing" not "men praying". Matthew 6:7 o YES NO o "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7 
Historical note: Roman Catholics borrowed the idea of praying with beads from the pagan religions who were already using them hundreds of years before: In 456 AD, Hindus are thought to have introduced the concept of praying with beads to the world. The earliest reference to a rosary (boberkhas) is in their "Jain Canon" (456 AD) These boberkhas had various numbers of beads 6,9,12,18,36 (any sub-multiple of 108) Islam (610 AD) uses a rosary of 99 beads, one for each of the names of God. Buddhists have 108 prayer beads on the string. The Rosary is of pagan origin and no Christian prior to 1000 AD used beads to pray. Question #1: Did Jesus forbid repetitive prayer using Rosary Beads? Answer:
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#13. To: misterwhite (#6)
Of course he does. He only works one day a week,and the rest of the week he commits golf. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
You DO understand there are different "truths" for different people,right? I agree that the Catholic Church and it's most devout followers HAVE to be watched because they are power mad,and would take over and dominate the world again if they have the chance,but I honestly think that ship sailed away from them a couple of hundred years ago. Yeah,they dominate in South and Central America,but that's about the only place they have even the slightest chances of controlling governments. Their focus these days seems to be to gather leftist foot soldiers and accumulate and protect their wealth. If people want to give them their money and become their slaves,that's their own choice. There is no longer any government demanding they give allegiance to the Catholic Church. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I am obviously the last one with any standing to complain about that. I guess the prime difference is I don't try to recruit anyone. If they are happy with what they believe and have no power to get laws passed that have a negative impact on me personally or freedom in general,I'm happy for them. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
No there are not different truths. Two opposing things cannot both be true. That was a dumb statement.
Yes,I know. Freedom is something that should ALWAYS be encouraged. You just can't "give" it to someone against their will. You can only encourage them. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
You are trying to claim there is only ONE truth in the whole world,and you know it? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Vatican City State or the State of Vatican City (Italian: Stato della Città del Vaticano;[e] Latin: Status Civitatis Vaticanae),[f] is a country located within the city of Rome. With an area of approximately 44 hectares (110 acres), and a population of 1,000,[3] it is the smallest state in the world by both area and population. However, formally it is not sovereign, with sovereignty being held by the Holy See. It is an ecclesiastical[3] or sacerdotal-monarchical[8] state (a type of theocracy) ruled by the Bishop of Rome – the Pope. The highest state functionaries are all Catholic clergy of various national origins. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City There is at least one, the Vatican City State. Yes....However, do the brainwashed who've subsisted on nothing but propaganda, conditioning, and proven manufactured lies truly do so based on "free will" if what has been perceived as "free will" has been an illusion? Btw, here ARE still some South American provinces and villages who indeed "strongly suggest" contributions to the RCC, otherwise certain services and protection may not be available.
I often wonder the same about some prots. Based on exactly what "propaganda, conditioning, and proven manufactured lies"? Can you kindly expound in detail your wonderment? And which sects of Protestantism? Thanks...
Cherry picking and spinning select verses of the Holy Bible while ignoring the parts that don't fit in with the lying propaganda of The Scofield Reference Bible, for instance... libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=52773 The Scofield Reference Bible = junk scripture Yes, I agree. Many fake Christian and non-Christians "cherry-pick" and take short-cuts because they know most are too lazy to ferret out the REAL and entire context of Scripture. The most popular "cherry-picking" verse in the entire Bible is: "Thou Shall Not Judge." For obvious reasons. It's akin to the political version of Leftists' use of, "Separation of Church and State." Lies and Propaganda repeated so often, it's become "The Mandela Effect." Q: Now why should I pay any attention to some random faux "Christian" scholar who feigns the authority of the Holy Spirit? (Not many according to this broad's thumbs' down. She's been exposed.) She even claims homosexuality isn't a sin. Missy is simply one more false prophet. Hondo, though there are many Protestant sects, I hope you're not about to point to this example as any where near representing "Protestantism" or Jesus' true Church. There are thousands of these these of phonies -- a dime a dozen -- from one end of the earth to the other. This kid of phony "scholarship" is rampant from those who point to their wall plaques Ivy League colleges as well. Fake knowledge from fake experts touting fake scholarship is epidemic. That said, the MEAT of Scripture is what is THE TRUTH. One cannot hope to leap around from chapter to chapter, verse-to-verse and hope to stumble into context. God does NOT change, nor does his context, Commandments, nor Gospel.
THAT illustration of the rosary is simply unreal. With all due respect to our Catholic friends, why didn't the Vatican simply just string a bunch of different colored rabbits feet and shrunken "saint" heads and bone fragments together? Physical and material symbols, relics and charms, prayer cards and candles, and repeated formulaic mantras and incantations; vows of poverty and voluntary masochistic suffering -- have ZERO place or value in the Lord's Spiritual Realm. The material is the PAGAN'S or OCCULTIST REALM.
Sure I said SOME prots. There's goofy Catholics too that give us a bad name, like Vic and Francis. You don't speak for me! We Christians have a lot in common, we should stick together against community agitators like A K A stone that are trying to divide us. Whatever his cult is, I'm not joining it. The Scofield is not a translation, it is a set of study footnotes that promote dispensational millenarian views. The Scofield always included the full text of the King James Version (no apocrypha). Over the last few decades, Oxford published the Scofield notes attached to a half-dozen other bible translations (but the New Jerusalem bible probably is not on the list). The Scofield bible+footnotes were the first combo published as a bible since the Geneva bible back in the sixteenth century. Scofield attaching them to the KJV is rather ironic, considering that King James had one requirement of the Authorized Version: no footnotes. That was because of the Geneva's footnotes with its seditious talk about monarchs who became despots and thereby lost their divine right to rule the peasants; it was causing a lot of trouble among the colonists in America, especially those Presbyterian hotheads. For this reason, many European history scholars claim that Calvin was the father of America, because his seditious version of the Geneva bible justified deposing your lawful monarch as a corrupt tyrant. And we saw exactly this kind of language contained in our Declaration of Independence (which Jefferson largely cribbed from a congregational letter circulated among Presbyterians of the era).
I like my candy necklace idea much better. If the kiddies pray one prayer, they get to eat the associated bead. If nothing else, it would be an answer to prayer for your kid's dentist.
If the kiddies pray one prayer, they get to eat the associated bead. Ha-HA!! That was good.
Interesting observation. ...Many European history scholars claim that Calvin was the father of America, because his seditious version of the Geneva bible justified deposing your lawful monarch as a corrupt tyrant. Fascinating theory. Those "european scholars" wouldn't have happened to have originated from Vatican satellite Kingdoms? I don't recall Calvin's name popping up too often as an inspiration for the Founders and rallying cry (FOR CALVIN!!") to dump tea into Boston Harbor.
No, just your regular secular Euro historian types. This is the majority view over there. Those Presbyterians were the leading force in overthrowing the Church of England types and King George III. And that Geneva bible was in their hands for generations in Europe and here in the colonies after they were persecuted until they left England and came here. It's a telling quote that a waggish remark about the rising of the American colonies was that "Cousin America has eloped with a Presbyterian parson." They tittered about it. Until they lost the colonies for no good reason. They were spot on to blame the Presbyterian hotheads and that darned Geneva bible with its cursed footnotes.
We Christians have a lot in common, we should stick together against community agitators like A K A stone that are trying to divide us. Whatever his cult is, I'm not joining it. Who is this "us," Kemosabe?? The moment anyone mentions the word, "community," the red flag and neon lights flash. "Christian"?? I don't personally know any actual "Christian" who would place President Trump's head within the crown of thorns of Jesus Christ. Sad. I'm still waiting for a declarative statement from you regarding both your faith AND politics. While we share your frustration, you seem to lash out at the system the full 360 degrees, but don't offer or advocate any personal solution, or that by anyone else. Given your posts, it appears you're a hard-core Libertarian on steroids, which apparently places you smack-dab on the Anarchists chessboard of strewn pieces lorded over by one single confused pigeon.
Over there...THESE DAYS? Or back when? Those Presbyterians were the leading force in overthrowing the Church of England types and King George III. How the mighty and sane have fallen. It's a telling quote that a waggish remark about the rising of the American colonies was that "Cousin America has eloped with a Presbyterian parson." They tittered about it. Until they lost the colonies for no good reason. They were spot on to blame the Presbyterian hotheads and that darned Geneva bible with its cursed footnotes. The Geneva Bible (with its footnotes) -- a primary weapon of American rebellion? Ya learn something every day. Wasn't George Washington Episcopalian? Shame. The Founders and rebels never imagined their language was so careful about "religion" because of the several sect of Christianity and would eventually be used to eventually demonize them and well as Christianity and all Christians themselves. Too bad they didn't see fit to include the Name, Jesus Christ. This would have been a faaaar different America and Republic and prevented the Occultist/Pagan human-secularist cult from cratering the republic. Meh. The End Days and Time is nearly run out for them anyway.
How can a person be a sovereign state,and the area he lives in not be sovereign? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I dunno,but there comes a time when people have to accept responsibility for themselves. All you can do is tell them,you can't make them listen. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
And you should. Same sport,different team. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
You're so right. Planet X will arrive and destroy us all in a week (or so I've read). Better reserve your seats on the Martian pyramid space elevator before it's too late.
ROFLMAO! Yeah,and the Catholics and the Protestants got along SOOOO WELL until AKA came along! In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
When a pope dies and prior to the election of the next pope, Vatican city still functions as a state and is recognized as such. It is a continuity of government thing. Like our own COG plans in which a president or 15 presidents can die and we'll still have another one. A president can die, the presidency never. It's much the same with the bishop of Rome.
The Scofield Bible has a nice concordance. I use it for adult Bible study.
I understand this thread is most likely a bait to get Catholics dander up. So I will break with that type of approach and quote some Catholic scholars on why they don't view what they do as pagan but culturally appropriated practices. The rosary is only one such appropriated practice which even giants such as Cardinal Newman: We are told in various ways by Eusebius [Note 16], that Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own. It is not necessary to go into a subject which the diligence of Protestant writers has made familiar to most of us. The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church. {374} Greeks dedicate images to devils, and call them gods; but we to True God Incarnate, and to God's servants and friends, who drive away the troops of devils." [Note 18] Again, "As the holy Fathers overthrew the temples and shrines of the devils, and raised in their places shrines in the {377} names of Saints and we worship them, so also they overthrew the images of the devils, and in their stead raised images of Christ, and God's Mother, and the Saints. And under the Old Covenant, Israel neither raised temples in the name of men, nor was memory of man made a festival; for, as yet, man's nature was under a curse, and death was condemnation, and therefore was lamented, and a corpse was reckoned unclean and he who touched it; but now that the Godhead has been combined with our nature, as some life-giving and saving medicine, our nature has been glorified and is trans-elemented into incorruption. Wherefore the death of Saints is made a feast, and temples are raised to them, and Images are painted ... (John Henry Newman [made a cardinal by Pope Leo III in 1879]; Application of the Third Note of a True Development—Assimilative Power, Chapter 8; http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/chapter8.html) That's how the Catholics view the pagan appropriated feasts, prayers and practices. They don't deny it but see it (at least Newman did) as a doctrinal development. We can disagree with this of course, but we should understand the background before we cast stones.
There are only a few. Most in the Book of Daniel and a few in 1&2 Thessalonians. Other than that, a very good concordance Bible. Frankly there are not many footnote commentaries.
It is bait to learn. Here is my goal. Vic and other Catholics believe their view is correct and I and a few others agree. My problem with Vic and other Catholics is honesty. They say they believe in the a God of the Bible. If that is true than why do they have so many institutional traditions that aremcontrary to what now taught in the Bible. I'm not claiming to be the most knowledgeable or the most moral, I'm just interested in knowing why people who claim to believe in God don't believe in the words in his book. Vic cannot come on this thread and defend this practice. It is indefensible. Vic says there are errors in the Bible. IF someone believes that then why believe any of it. Vic seems to believe in evolution. How can someone believe both. I want to know how they think. It seems to me they have to lie to themselves.
I CAN come onto the thread and defend all of it. I have CHOSEN not to - just following Jesus' advice. Now I will answer very simply. Where you Protestants err is in believing that God's revelations ended in the First Century and are all contained in the text of the Bible. That is not true. God has continued to reveal new things through the Saints by way of the Church. The rosary was one of those things. Eating blood sausage was another. The Sunday worship was another. There are many. When your belief system is confined to a book whose oldest writing is from the First Century, you miss everything that God has said since. And like a First Century Jew, you deny that God CAN talk outside of your familiar book. The First Century Jews were dead wrong, and so are you. God sent Mary to reveal the rosary as a tool for Christian meditation. The rosary is, thus, revealed by God, and is not, therefore, part of the "vain babblings" of which Jesus spoke. You cannot wrap your mind around the idea that God continues to talk to his Church, and continues to reveal things, and sends Mary and Saints and angels as emissaries. But he does. Obviously, because none of this is in your book - because the last page of your book was written before the end of the First Century, you can't go look any of these things up. And because you have made up the tradition that everything must be in the book, you then blaspheme was God has revealed - just exactly like the Jews did regarding Jesus and the Church. Same thing, different day. You are not "teaching" me anything that I did not already know. But in return, you are unteachable, and I have stopped trying.
sorry to intervene Pete but actually there is and it is Jesus Christ but he is not believed, even by some of those who say they believe him.
You believe what man said and you offer no scripture. In fact you are saying that god revealed things that contradict what was already said. You're nog so smart Vic. No you cannot defend your beliefs except to make up stuff said by men and repeat it. You are a hypocrite. You said god doesn't answer prayers to save you in this world. Then in the next breath you say god saved you by a miracle. You can't have it both ways Vic. You have offered zero evidence on this thread just like your simpleton economics thread.
Which advice is it that Jesus gave you? I already showed you where the married guy Peter (the guy you falsely call pope who was never a pope and whom was married even though Catholics lie about the Bible and say they are not allowed to be married even though the one they lie about was in fact married, but that is another point for later) said to answer questions when asked. You are looking quite the fool.
So in other words some things in the Bible are lies such as Paul's writings. And other things were added into the Bible like prayer beads and your bump on your head?
How would God send Mary when she is dead? There has been no resurrection yet. You sound more and more whacked in the head. No wonder you are avoiding this thread. You will expose yourself and your true beliefs. You are supposed to keep your light hidden right?
Tell me by blasphemy please.
Queen of Babylon. Is that your Mary?
I have no doubt that is true for you,but it is NOT true for everyone. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Pete you both cannot be right. So it is either true or it isn't. Same as 2 + 2 only has one true answer. Two opposing views can never both be true.
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#14. To: A K A Stone (#9)
I have this thing for the truth Peter.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#10)
They certainly are free to believe as they wish. Just as I am free to try to convince them from real scripture that they are in error.
#16. To: sneakypete (#14)
#17. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Actually Pete some people can be free while others are simultaneously not free.
#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)
No there are not different truths. Two opposing things cannot both be true. That was a dumb statement.
#19. To: sneakypete (#14)
Vatican City State
Country in Europe
There is no longer any government demanding they give allegiance to the Catholic Church. 
#20. To: sneakypete (#14)
If people want to give them their money and become their slaves,that's their own choice. There is no longer any government demanding they give allegiance to the Catholic Church.
#21. To: Liberator (#20)
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do the brainwashed who've subsisted on nothing but propaganda, conditioning, and proven manufactured lies truly do so based on "free will" if what has been perceived as "free will" has been an illusion?
/s
#22. To: hondo68 (#21)
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I often wonder the same about some prots.
#23. To: Liberator, John Nelson Darby, The Scofield Reference Bible (#22)
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#24. To: hondo68 (#23)
Cherry picking and spinning select verses of the Holy Bible while ignoring the parts that don't fit in with the lying propaganda of The Scofield Reference Bible, for instance...
#25. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13, redleghunter, ALL (#0)
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#26. To: Liberator, Vicomte13, A K A stone (#24)
though there are many Protestant sects, I hope you're not about to point to this example as any where near representing "Protestantism" or Jesus' true Church
/s
#27. To: hondo68, Liberator (#23)
The Scofield Reference Bible = junk scripture
#28. To: Liberator (#25)
With all due respect to our Catholic friends, why didn't the Vatican simply just string a bunch of different colored rabbits feet and shrunken "saint" heads and bone fragments together?
#29. To: Tooconservative (#28)
I like my candy necklace idea much better.
#30. To: Tooconservative (#27)
...We saw exactly this kind of language contained in our Declaration of Independence (which Jefferson largely cribbed from a congregational letter circulated among Presbyterians of the era.)
#31. To: Liberator (#30)
Fascinating theory. Those "european scholars" wouldn't have happened to have originated from Vatican satellite Kingdoms?
#32. To: hondo68, Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#26)
Sure I said SOME prots....
#33. To: Tooconservative (#31)
Just your regular secular Euro historian types. This is the majority view over there.
#34. To: hondo68 (#19)
it is the smallest state in the world by both area and population. However, formally it is not sovereign, with sovereignty being held by the Holy See.
#35. To: Liberator (#20)
Yes....However, do the brainwashed who've subsisted on nothing but propaganda, conditioning, and proven manufactured lies truly do so based on "free will" if what has been perceived as "free will" has been an illusion?
#36. To: hondo68 (#21)
I often wonder the same about some prots.
#37. To: Liberator (#33)
Meh. The End Days and Time is nearly run out for them anyway.
#38. To: hondo68, AKA Stone (#26)
We Christians have a lot in common, we should stick together against community agitators like A K A stone that are trying to divide us. Whatever his cult is, I'm not joining it.
#39. To: sneakypete (#34)
How can a person be a sovereign state,and the area he lives in not be sovereign?
#40. To: hondo68 (#23)
#41. To: A K A Stone, Liberator, Vicomte13 (#0)
#42. To: Tooconservative (#27)
The Scofield is not a translation, it is a set of study footnotes that promote dispensational millenarian views.
#43. To: redleghunter (#41)
#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)
#45. To: sneakypete (#18)
You are trying to claim there is only ONE truth in the whole world,and you know it?
#46. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
#47. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
#48. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
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#49. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
#50. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
#51. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
#52. To: paraclete (#45)
sorry to intervene Pete but actually there is and it is Jesus Christ
#53. To: sneakypete (#52)
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