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Title: Praying repetitive words using Rosary beads is forbidden
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URL Source: http://www.bible.ca/cath-overview-false-teaching.htm
Published: Sep 16, 2017
Author: .bible.ca
Post Date: 2017-09-16 01:09:18 by A K A Stone
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Views: 451
Comments: 67

FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD. Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys", (200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to Psalm 136 that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. Revelation 4:8 has "angels singing" not "men praying".

Historical note: Roman Catholics borrowed the idea of praying with beads from the pagan religions who were already using them hundreds of years before: In 456 AD, Hindus are thought to have introduced the concept of praying with beads to the world. The earliest reference to a rosary (boberkhas) is in their "Jain Canon" (456 AD) These boberkhas had various numbers of beads 6,9,12,18,36 (any sub-multiple of 108) Islam (610 AD) uses a rosary of 99 beads, one for each of the names of God. Buddhists have 108 prayer beads on the string. The Rosary is of pagan origin and no Christian prior to 1000 AD used beads to pray. Question #1: Did Jesus forbid repetitive prayer using Rosary Beads? Answer:

Matthew 6:7 o YES NO o "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7 (1 image)

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#1. To: vicomte13 (#0) (Edited)

Matthew 6:7 o YES NO o "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7

Is Matthew 6:7 a lie found in the Bible?

Is it mistranslated?

Or is the catholic church practicing paganism?

Just the facts and truth please. No vic spin.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-16   1:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter, orthodoxa (#0)

Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic

Isn't there something in the Bible about the dead being dead until the resurrection.

Wouldn't this logically mean that if a Catholic believed this that the resurrection must have already happened?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-16   1:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Matthew 6:7 o YES NO o "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7

I was raised as a Catholic but it didn't take, but no wonder I had no idea the rosary was so complex, seriously, I never got beyond the hail marys and the Our Father. Now, as a Pentecostal I follow Matthew and not pray meaningless repetitive prayers as the Catholics and the Muslims do.

It is no wonder the world descended into the dark ages if religion lost its meaning. This tradition is truly a fulfillment of the word that by your traditions you nullify the word of God. Jesus words, by the way, so no wriggle room.

paraclete  posted on  2017-09-16   7:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Are you sure those bead necklace things aren't just candy necklaces for children with a tart flavor?

Why would Catholics believe that endless mindless repetition of simple doctrinal phrases to be pleasing to God? God no doubt gets quite bored with all of our endless repetitive phrasing, not just in prayers but overall.

That sort of inculcated repetitive phrasing is the kind of thing that brainwashing cults engage in. It's intended to make people less resistant to authority, make them more obedient to cult leaders. There are no endless repetitive phrases that the ancient churches recommended. And Jesus and the disciples didn't seem to engage in these.

Jesus did, after all, speak against formulaic prescribed prayers directly. When Jesus gave an answer about how to pray, He said "pray after this manner" and recited what we call the Lord's Prayer. And despite his admonition against repetitious prayers, everyone memorizes it and repeat it publicly in church services or at funerals. Which has always struck me as odd.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-16   7:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)

I wonder if Vic has the courage to admit this isn't a practice based on anything Jesus said or did. If Vic cannot admit the truth when plain simple words are used to demonstrate from scripture then he is a person who is not honest. A deceiver.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-16   9:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#4)

God no doubt gets quite bored with all of our endless repetitive phrasing, not just in prayers but overall.

I agree. That's why I spice up my prayers to God with some jokes thrown in. He likes the golf jokes the best.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-16   10:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Ok,so why do you care? You're not Catholic,and nobody is requiring you to do it.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   10:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited)

Or is the catholic church practicing paganism?

If they are,this is a free country,and they have a right to practice paganism if they want.

Just like you have the freedom to follow your religious beliefs,no matter how nutty someone else thinks they are,and I have the right to practice none at all,no matter what you or anyone else thinks.

The thing about freedom is we either all have it,or none of us is truly free.

This means freedom OF religion,as well as freedom FROM religion.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   10:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#7)

I have this thing for the truth Peter. Besides I like Vic and do not want to see him going the wrong direction. He cares about people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-16   10:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#8)

They certainly are free to believe as they wish. Just as I am free to try to convince them from real scripture that they are in error.

I wish I knew how to reach you Pete. As I like you too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-16   10:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#8)

Actually Pete some people can be free while others are simultaneously not free.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-16   10:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: paraclete (#3)

I was raised as a Catholic but it didn't take, but no wonder I had no idea the rosary was so complex, seriously, I never got beyond the hail marys and the Our Father. Now, as a Pentecostal I follow Matthew and not pray meaningless repetitive prayers as the Catholics and the Muslims do.

I may be wrong,but I think Buddhists and other eastern religions have chants.

Chants are nothing more than a form of self-hypnosis that helps people clear troubled minds and calm themselves down. They are not only harmless,but obviously beneficial or there wouldn't be so many people doing them.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   10:37:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#6)

He likes the golf jokes the best.

Of course he does. He only works one day a week,and the rest of the week he commits golf.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   10:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#9)

I have this thing for the truth Peter.

You DO understand there are different "truths" for different people,right?

I agree that the Catholic Church and it's most devout followers HAVE to be watched because they are power mad,and would take over and dominate the world again if they have the chance,but I honestly think that ship sailed away from them a couple of hundred years ago. Yeah,they dominate in South and Central America,but that's about the only place they have even the slightest chances of controlling governments.

Their focus these days seems to be to gather leftist foot soldiers and accumulate and protect their wealth.

If people want to give them their money and become their slaves,that's their own choice. There is no longer any government demanding they give allegiance to the Catholic Church.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   10:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#10)

They certainly are free to believe as they wish. Just as I am free to try to convince them from real scripture that they are in error.

I am obviously the last one with any standing to complain about that.

I guess the prime difference is I don't try to recruit anyone. If they are happy with what they believe and have no power to get laws passed that have a negative impact on me personally or freedom in general,I'm happy for them.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   10:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#14)

No there are not different truths. Two opposing things cannot both be true. That was a dumb statement.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-16   10:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#11)

Actually Pete some people can be free while others are simultaneously not free.

Yes,I know. Freedom is something that should ALWAYS be encouraged.

You just can't "give" it to someone against their will. You can only encourage them.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   10:48:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)

No there are not different truths. Two opposing things cannot both be true. That was a dumb statement.

You are trying to claim there is only ONE truth in the whole world,and you know it?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   10:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#14)

Vatican City State
Country in Europe

Vatican City State or the State of Vatican City (Italian: Stato della Città del Vaticano;[e] Latin: Status Civitatis Vaticanae),[f] is a country located within the city of Rome. With an area of approximately 44 hectares (110 acres), and a population of 1,000,[3] it is the smallest state in the world by both area and population. However, formally it is not sovereign, with sovereignty being held by the Holy See.

It is an ecclesiastical[3] or sacerdotal-monarchical[8] state (a type of theocracy) ruled by the Bishop of Rome – the Pope. The highest state functionaries are all Catholic clergy of various national origins.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City


There is no longer any government demanding they give allegiance to the Catholic Church.

There is at least one, the Vatican City State.

And after twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on His head

hondo68  posted on  2017-09-16   12:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#14)

If people want to give them their money and become their slaves,that's their own choice. There is no longer any government demanding they give allegiance to the Catholic Church.

Yes....However, do the brainwashed who've subsisted on nothing but propaganda, conditioning, and proven manufactured lies truly do so based on "free will" if what has been perceived as "free will" has been an illusion?

Btw, here ARE still some South American provinces and villages who indeed "strongly suggest" contributions to the RCC, otherwise certain services and protection may not be available.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-16   12:56:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator (#20) (Edited)

do the brainwashed who've subsisted on nothing but propaganda, conditioning, and proven manufactured lies truly do so based on "free will" if what has been perceived as "free will" has been an illusion?

I often wonder the same about some prots.

And after twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on His head /s

hondo68  posted on  2017-09-16   13:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: hondo68 (#21) (Edited)

I often wonder the same about some prots.

Based on exactly what "propaganda, conditioning, and proven manufactured lies"?

Can you kindly expound in detail your wonderment? And which sects of Protestantism?

Thanks...

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-16   15:36:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator, John Nelson Darby, The Scofield Reference Bible (#22) (Edited)

Cherry picking and spinning select verses of the Holy Bible while ignoring the parts that don't fit in with the lying propaganda of The Scofield Reference Bible, for instance...

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=52773

The Scofield Reference Bible = junk scripture

And after twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on His head /s

hondo68  posted on  2017-09-16   16:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: hondo68 (#23)

Cherry picking and spinning select verses of the Holy Bible while ignoring the parts that don't fit in with the lying propaganda of The Scofield Reference Bible, for instance...

Yes, I agree.

Many fake Christian and non-Christians "cherry-pick" and take short-cuts because they know most are too lazy to ferret out the REAL and entire context of Scripture.

The most popular "cherry-picking" verse in the entire Bible is: "Thou Shall Not Judge." For obvious reasons. It's akin to the political version of Leftists' use of, "Separation of Church and State." Lies and Propaganda repeated so often, it's become "The Mandela Effect."

Q: Now why should I pay any attention to some random faux "Christian" scholar who feigns the authority of the Holy Spirit? (Not many according to this broad's thumbs' down. She's been exposed.) She even claims homosexuality isn't a sin. Missy is simply one more false prophet.

Hondo, though there are many Protestant sects, I hope you're not about to point to this example as any where near representing "Protestantism" or Jesus' true Church.

There are thousands of these these of phonies -- a dime a dozen -- from one end of the earth to the other. This kid of phony "scholarship" is rampant from those who point to their wall plaques Ivy League colleges as well. Fake knowledge from fake experts touting fake scholarship is epidemic.

That said, the MEAT of Scripture is what is THE TRUTH. One cannot hope to leap around from chapter to chapter, verse-to-verse and hope to stumble into context. God does NOT change, nor does his context, Commandments, nor Gospel.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-16   16:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13, redleghunter, ALL (#0) (Edited)

THAT illustration of the rosary is simply unreal.

With all due respect to our Catholic friends, why didn't the Vatican simply just string a bunch of different colored rabbits feet and shrunken "saint" heads and bone fragments together?

Physical and material symbols, relics and charms, prayer cards and candles, and repeated formulaic mantras and incantations; vows of poverty and voluntary masochistic suffering -- have ZERO place or value in the Lord's Spiritual Realm.

The material is the PAGAN'S or OCCULTIST REALM.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-16   17:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Liberator, Vicomte13, A K A stone (#24)

though there are many Protestant sects, I hope you're not about to point to this example as any where near representing "Protestantism" or Jesus' true Church

Sure I said SOME prots. There's goofy Catholics too that give us a bad name, like Vic and Francis. You don't speak for me!

We Christians have a lot in common, we should stick together against community agitators like A K A stone that are trying to divide us. Whatever his cult is, I'm not joining it.

And after twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on His head /s

hondo68  posted on  2017-09-16   18:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: hondo68, Liberator (#23)

The Scofield Reference Bible = junk scripture

The Scofield is not a translation, it is a set of study footnotes that promote dispensational millenarian views. The Scofield always included the full text of the King James Version (no apocrypha). Over the last few decades, Oxford published the Scofield notes attached to a half-dozen other bible translations (but the New Jerusalem bible probably is not on the list).

The Scofield bible+footnotes were the first combo published as a bible since the Geneva bible back in the sixteenth century. Scofield attaching them to the KJV is rather ironic, considering that King James had one requirement of the Authorized Version: no footnotes. That was because of the Geneva's footnotes with its seditious talk about monarchs who became despots and thereby lost their divine right to rule the peasants; it was causing a lot of trouble among the colonists in America, especially those Presbyterian hotheads. For this reason, many European history scholars claim that Calvin was the father of America, because his seditious version of the Geneva bible justified deposing your lawful monarch as a corrupt tyrant. And we saw exactly this kind of language contained in our Declaration of Independence (which Jefferson largely cribbed from a congregational letter circulated among Presbyterians of the era).

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-16   18:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Liberator (#25)

With all due respect to our Catholic friends, why didn't the Vatican simply just string a bunch of different colored rabbits feet and shrunken "saint" heads and bone fragments together?

I like my candy necklace idea much better.

If the kiddies pray one prayer, they get to eat the associated bead.

If nothing else, it would be an answer to prayer for your kid's dentist.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-16   18:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Tooconservative (#28)

I like my candy necklace idea much better.

If the kiddies pray one prayer, they get to eat the associated bead.

Ha-HA!! That was good.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-16   19:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Tooconservative (#27)

...We saw exactly this kind of language contained in our Declaration of Independence (which Jefferson largely cribbed from a congregational letter circulated among Presbyterians of the era.)

Interesting observation.

...Many European history scholars claim that Calvin was the father of America, because his seditious version of the Geneva bible justified deposing your lawful monarch as a corrupt tyrant.

Fascinating theory. Those "european scholars" wouldn't have happened to have originated from Vatican satellite Kingdoms?

I don't recall Calvin's name popping up too often as an inspiration for the Founders and rallying cry (FOR CALVIN!!") to dump tea into Boston Harbor.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-16   19:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Liberator (#30)

Fascinating theory. Those "european scholars" wouldn't have happened to have originated from Vatican satellite Kingdoms?

No, just your regular secular Euro historian types. This is the majority view over there.

Those Presbyterians were the leading force in overthrowing the Church of England types and King George III. And that Geneva bible was in their hands for generations in Europe and here in the colonies after they were persecuted until they left England and came here.

It's a telling quote that a waggish remark about the rising of the American colonies was that "Cousin America has eloped with a Presbyterian parson." They tittered about it. Until they lost the colonies for no good reason. They were spot on to blame the Presbyterian hotheads and that darned Geneva bible with its cursed footnotes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-16   19:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: hondo68, Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#26)

Sure I said SOME prots....

We Christians have a lot in common, we should stick together against community agitators like A K A stone that are trying to divide us. Whatever his cult is, I'm not joining it.

Who is this "us," Kemosabe??

The moment anyone mentions the word, "community," the red flag and neon lights flash.

"Christian"?? I don't personally know any actual "Christian" who would place President Trump's head within the crown of thorns of Jesus Christ. Sad.

I'm still waiting for a declarative statement from you regarding both your faith AND politics. While we share your frustration, you seem to lash out at the system the full 360 degrees, but don't offer or advocate any personal solution, or that by anyone else.

Given your posts, it appears you're a hard-core Libertarian on steroids, which apparently places you smack-dab on the Anarchists chessboard of strewn pieces lorded over by one single confused pigeon.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-16   20:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tooconservative (#31)

Just your regular secular Euro historian types. This is the majority view over there.

Over there...THESE DAYS? Or back when?

Those Presbyterians were the leading force in overthrowing the Church of England types and King George III.

How the mighty and sane have fallen.

It's a telling quote that a waggish remark about the rising of the American colonies was that "Cousin America has eloped with a Presbyterian parson." They tittered about it. Until they lost the colonies for no good reason. They were spot on to blame the Presbyterian hotheads and that darned Geneva bible with its cursed footnotes.

The Geneva Bible (with its footnotes) -- a primary weapon of American rebellion? Ya learn something every day. Wasn't George Washington Episcopalian?

Shame. The Founders and rebels never imagined their language was so careful about "religion" because of the several sect of Christianity and would eventually be used to eventually demonize them and well as Christianity and all Christians themselves. Too bad they didn't see fit to include the Name, Jesus Christ. This would have been a faaaar different America and Republic and prevented the Occultist/Pagan human-secularist cult from cratering the republic.

Meh. The End Days and Time is nearly run out for them anyway.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-16   20:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: hondo68 (#19)

it is the smallest state in the world by both area and population. However, formally it is not sovereign, with sovereignty being held by the Holy See.

How can a person be a sovereign state,and the area he lives in not be sovereign?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   20:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Liberator (#20)

Yes....However, do the brainwashed who've subsisted on nothing but propaganda, conditioning, and proven manufactured lies truly do so based on "free will" if what has been perceived as "free will" has been an illusion?

I dunno,but there comes a time when people have to accept responsibility for themselves. All you can do is tell them,you can't make them listen.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   20:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: hondo68 (#21)

I often wonder the same about some prots.

And you should.

Same sport,different team.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   20:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#33)

Meh. The End Days and Time is nearly run out for them anyway.

You're so right. Planet X will arrive and destroy us all in a week (or so I've read).

Better reserve your seats on the Martian pyramid space elevator before it's too late.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-16   20:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: hondo68, AKA Stone (#26)

We Christians have a lot in common, we should stick together against community agitators like A K A stone that are trying to divide us. Whatever his cult is, I'm not joining it.

ROFLMAO!

Yeah,and the Catholics and the Protestants got along SOOOO WELL until AKA came along!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-16   20:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#34)

How can a person be a sovereign state,and the area he lives in not be sovereign?

When a pope dies and prior to the election of the next pope, Vatican city still functions as a state and is recognized as such.

It is a continuity of government thing. Like our own COG plans in which a president or 15 presidents can die and we'll still have another one. A president can die, the presidency never. It's much the same with the bishop of Rome.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-16   20:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: hondo68 (#23)

The Scofield Bible has a nice concordance.

I use it for adult Bible study.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-16   21:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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