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Title: A "Read-My-Lips" Moment for Trump?
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The New American
URL Source: https://www.thenewamerican.com/revi ... -read-my-lips-moment-for-trump
Published: Sep 14, 2017
Author: Patrick J. Buchanan
Post Date: 2017-09-15 09:21:32 by Tooconservative
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Comments: 28
The answer to that question, raised in my column a week ago, is in. Last night, President Donald Trump cut a deal with "Chuck and Nancy" for amnesty for 800,000 recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program who came here illegally as youngsters, in return for Democratic votes for more money for border security. According to preening Minority Leader Pelosi, the agreement contains not a dime for Trump's Wall, and the "Dreamers" are to be put on a long glide "path to U.S. citizenship." Trump denies this is amnesty, and says the Wall comes later. Fallout? Among the most enthusiastic of Trump backers, disbelief, disillusionment and wonderment at where we go from here. Trump's debt-ceiling deal cut the legs out from under the GOP budget hawks. But amnesty would pull the rug out from under all the folks at those rallies who cheered Trump's promise to preserve the country they grew up in from this endless Third World invasion. For make no mistake. If amnesty is granted for the 800,000, that will be but the first wave. "There are reasons no country has a rule that if you sneak in as a minor you're a citizen," writes Mickey Kaus, author of "The End of Equality," in The Washington Post. "We'd be inviting the world.... (An amnesty) would have a knock-on effect. Under 'chain migration' rules established in 1965 ... new citizens can bring in their siblings and adult children, who can bring in their siblings and in-laws until whole villages have moved to the United States. "(T)oday's 690,000 dreamers would quickly become millions of newcomers who may well be low-skilled and who would almost certainly include the parents who brought them — the ones who in theory are at fault." Trump is risking a breach in the dam. If the populists who provided him with decisive margins in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania feel betrayed, it's hard to blame them. Why did Trump do it? Clearly, he relished the cheers he got for the debt ceiling deal and wanted another such victory. And with the rampant accusations of a lack of "compassion" for his cancellation of the temporary Obama administration amnesty, he decided he had had enough heat. It is not easy to stand up for long to the gale force winds of hostile commentary that blow constantly through this city. Trump's capitulation, if that is what turns out to be, calls to mind George H. W. Bush's decision in 1990 to raise the Reagan tax rates in a deal engineered for him by a White House-Hill coalition, that made a mockery of his "Read my lips! No new taxes!" pledge of 1988. For agreeing to feed the beast of Big Government, rather than cut its rations as Reagan sought to do, Bush was called a statesman. By the fall of '92, the cheering had stopped. Can Trump not know that those congratulating him for his newfound flexibility will be rejoicing, should Bob Mueller indict his family and his friends, and recommend his impeachment down the road? What makes pre-emptive amnesty particularly disheartening is that the Trump policy of securing the border and returning illegal immigrants to their home countries appears, from a Census Bureau report this week, to be precisely the prescription America needs. In 2016, paychecks for U.S. households reached an average of $59,039, up 3.2 percent from 2015, a year when they had surged. U.S. median household income is now at its highest ever. Yet there are inequalities. Where the median family income of Asian-Americans is above $81,400, and more than $65,000 for white Americans, the median family income of Hispanic families is $47,675, and that of African-American households far less, $39,490. Consider. Though black Americans are predominantly native-born, while high percentages of Hispanics and Asians are immigrants, from the Census numbers, Hispanics earn more and Asians enjoy twice the median family income of blacks, which is below where it was in 2000. Still, black America remains steadfastly loyal to a party that supports the endless importation of workers who compete directly for jobs with them and their families. Writes Kaus, "The median hourly wage (of DACA recipients) is only $15.34, meaning that many are competing with hard-pressed, lower-skilled Americans." Looking closer at the Census Bureau figures, Trumpian economic nationalism would appear to have its greatest appeal to the American working class, a huge slice of which is native-born, black and Hispanic. The elements of that policy? Secure the border. Halt the invasion of low-wage workers, here legally and illegally, from the Third World. Tighten the labor market to force employers to raise wages in our full-employment economy. Provide tax incentives to companies who site factories in the USA. Impose border taxes on the products of companies who move plants abroad. Put America and American workers first. Will any amnesty of undocumented workers do that? Poster Comment: "Having cut a deal with Democrats for help with the debt ceiling, will Trump seek a deal with Democrats on amnesty for the 'Dreamers' in return for funding for border security?"
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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)
That DC culture will kill any sane person's thought pattern. The one thing I admired about Trump was he did not give a shit about progressives and hammered them by using their own crazy over the top rhetoric against them! With Trump you just do not have a clue what he is doing!
I've heard the claims that Trump is playing 11-dimensional chess against mere political midgets. But no sane politician plays chicken with the base of their own party. Trump had better keep that in mind unless he wants to be a one-term loser like Jimmuh Carter and Spook Daddy Bush.
Thats what im thinking too. But he thinks he is the king of negotiations. We shall see. I was listening to Rush today and he said that 67% of Trumps base doesn't care if grants amnesty. Well I would be very upset and he would probably lose me as his base. 3 things I ask for enforce the law(send them back), build the wall and destroy obamacare.
Even two out of three. But zero out of three is something Republicans could have gotten from any of the other GOP candidates for prez. Trump had better figure it out unless he really does want to join the One Termers Club, with Spook Daddy Bush and Jimmuh Carter.
The Democrats couldn't get this dog through Congress when they were the majority. Name the congressional members who are part of any such purported agreement. How many members have suicidal ideations?
The elements of that policy? Secure the border. Halt the invasion of low-wage workers, here legally and illegally, from the Third World. Tighten the labor market to force employers to raise wages in our full-employment economy. Provide tax incentives to companies who site factories in the USA. Impose border taxes on the products of companies who move plants abroad. Eventually, the working classes in the USA will embrace the above policy. At that point, you members of the chattering classes will piss your pants.
They didn't even try. Apparently, they always thought they could get Republicans to take the fall for a big amnesty. And they still believe it.
With all due respect to El Rushbo, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT !!! I said on election night that before the end of the first term, a sizeable number of Trump supporters would be disappointed. This is just another item on the checklist. I am being proven right. As to El Rushbo, I have great respect for his political acumen, but I think here he is simply running defense for Saint Donald. Just like he did for El Jorgeo. I think Trump is not what a lot thought he was !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
But no sane politician plays chicken with the base of their own party. Trump had better keep that in mind unless he wants to be a one-term loser like Jimmuh Carter and Spook Daddy Bush. " THIS !!! Despite his reputation of playing 11 D Chess, and the words Javanka is whispering into his ears, I think Javanka & Trump himself are over estimating his supporters loyalty. He ultimately is following orders from the globalists / bankers / CFR / NWO crowd. The blind sheep followers will argue otherwise, but forget the words, look at his actions. The actions are the proof ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I'm not so sure. Trump really does hate all those investment bank people, the same ones who sat and dictated terms to him on his major bankruptcy. He has a grudge with those elements of the NYC banker conglomerate. You may recall his rants against the investment banks like Goldman-Sachs and JP Morgan. Trump may go a certain distance with them politically but he does not love them and he certainly knows they are not his supporters or ever will support him. In those circumstances, Trump is quite ruthless, just waiting for a chance to slit some throats.
Well, believe what you want. I believe that the NWO Crowd ultimately controls everything. It does not matter who sits in the WH, our foreign policy, and our fiscal policy is always the same, does not change. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I agree. We often refer to this as "centrism" in the executive branch. It only makes sense that powerful interests with money and power can make themselves heard. OTOH, Trump is fairly unique in owing absolutely nothing to these people and having very little regard for them. It reminds me a bit of the second term of Nixon where he finally felt entirely free of the GOP party bosses and was able to do (dumb) things (like wage/price controls). So if any prez might exceed the usual expectations, it would be a Nixon. Or a Trump. And Trump, along with Roger Stone, are two of the biggest Nixon fans you'd ever encounter even if they don't advertise it that much. Hell, Stone has a tattoo of Nixon between his shoulder blades that he got back in the Eighties, long before tattoos were (supposedly) cool.
The blind sheep followers will argue otherwise, but forget the words, look at his actions. The actions are the proof ! BINGO to the nth degree, sir. "ORDERS" is the keyword as I'd suggested a few days ago, Stoner. If Trump had his way, HIS MAGA agenda would be well underway, little obstructionist judges would be steamrolled, and The Swamp disinfected. BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE CASE. Why not? Can't anyone do the math?? Or are the Pods just in denial? NEWSFLASH: The Republic is no more. That's right. We are a "Republic IN NAME ONLY. Did you or the pods expect CNN or FNC to tell us: "IT HAS JUST BEEN REPORTED THAT OUR GUBMINT HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER IN A BLOODLESS COUP. NO NEED TO PANIC. YOUR LIQUOR STORE IS STILL OPEN FOR BUSINESS." Of course the pods need to know how this could happen without such an "official" declaration. So quietly. With no panic.... So just how complicated was/is the process of this coup? Let's speculate: "Nice family and business empire and life ya got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it. We have our own people whose agenda WILL be followed. Sit down and shaddup." Dramatizing this process for your entertainment will be Mr. Bugs Bunny. Submitted with or without your approval is an actual excerpt of Donald Trump's actual brief convo with Globalist Overlord X: INSTEAD of MAGA, we've witnessed unprecedented obstruction, disrespect, sabotage, policies of Trump. It has blatantly shoved in the face for all to witness so YOU and THEY understand who is really THE Boss of America. So as you and Paddy B continue with absolute futility to try and make sense of nonsense and bureaucratic "Business-As-Usual", the notion of Trump being a liar and hypocrite advanced, and you continue to scratch you head and wonder why an anti-MAGA agenda has replaced MAGA, this gubmint's true "Deciders" (whomever THEY may be) are simply carry on the NWO's post-Reagan wrecking ball to the USA. Q: HOW MANY Swamp Creatures are under indictment for OBVIOUS High Crimes?? That's right: ZERO. Come on, people. Dismiss the blatant bullshit, disinfo, and "credible" conservative pundits that need to be trotted out like Paddy B. Face it: This whole "Mr. President" thing is just a charade -- as is the US Constitution. It's been since Poppy Bush took over the NWO reigns. Just because SOME of the USCON is enforced merely means whatever is cited will be exploited ONLY to use when convenient. Trump? Merely a coerced, threatened figure-head whose Same-ol' gubmint "decisions" are obviously NOT his; His upper-echelon staff slandered, libeled and gutted. WITH NO EXPLANATION FROM TRUMP HIMSELF. Ivanka and her globalist-Dem hubby? Props and tools. I am shocked that posters here -- as well as far more folks who've been following politics for YEARS -- just refuse to accept the obvious. There is no Santa Claus. And NO functioning democratic Constitutional Republic. "It's dead, Jim." As to Paddy Buchanan, he DOES GET IT. But then even HE has been/is blackmailed/coerced to a great degree to shut HIS trap and entertain you with the so-called explanation of "TRUMP'S CAPITULATION."
Exactly how much do you expect him to accomplish in 9 months against both parties in the District of Criminals who are determined to stop him? Maybe it's your math that doesn't add up in the cold light of day. Even 0bama, with 60 votes in the Senate and a big House majority, took over a year to inflict 0bamaCare on us. Can you honestly say Trump has the same advantage? Of course not. It's like looking at the end of Trump's first week as president and saying "Well, he didn't accomplish all that he promised so he's a fraud and the two-party coalition stopped him". You can't really announce that Trump has failed when he is up against the laws and procedural hurdles of the system. Some things do take time. I would fault him, as I did with Bush Jong Un, for failing to eradicate the holdovers from the previous administration but that does not mean that Trump is a failure simply because he failed to enact your wishlist according to a schedule you just made up out of nothing.
Trump had better keep that in mind unless he wants to be a one-term loser like Jimmuh Carter and Spook Daddy Bush. Your paradigm of "sane" -- political and reality -- is so far off the mark, it's embarrassing. More than that, it's sad. How do you "play chicken" and win that game with a New World Order cabal of elites you never knew actually runs and controls America AND the World? To Donald Trump's dismay and shock....as well as for those of us who wished for the best but suspected the worst. TC, dunno about you, but the rest of us have had eyes and ears and common sense with which to discern when a governance is working with the consent of The People, or ruling as rogue tyrants with impunity from personal and constitutional accountability...Because they are PUPPETS. The world's biggest and most obvious Puppet has been one John McCain. (Yes yes-- go ahead and deny it as expected.) You reeeeealy DO believe Trump is President, dontha? That his agenda failings are a matter of his inability to "compromise" with the GOP?? ON WHAT PLANET?? You've always believed that the USA is governed as intended as a "representative government"; That in DC we have two functioning political parties whose primary goal is an agenda whose national governance is benevolent -- making America "fair," "just," "great" AND "Constitutional," eh? It's so cute. There IS no "base" of and for this charade of a party. And that goes doubly for the Democrat Party -- now ostensibly the American Socialist Party. There IS no "representative government" and hasn't been for a great while -- certainly not in DC. The politicians are New World Order/Globalist PAID patsies. The proof has been in the pudding -- don't deny it. Ergo, there IS no "party or policy negotiations" -- other then how best and how much sooner the Constitutional Republic could be taken out without the rubes revolting. There exist at this moment ONLY an outlaw, rogue bi-partisan charade masquerading as a Three Equal Branches of Government." The respective offices "Presidency," Congress, and Judiciary" are Kubaki Theater. A coup is in effect. President Trump has been cut off from major policy making, and certain 90% of his MAGA agenda. You can continue humoring yourself and others with you illusions, delusion, mis-direction, and wishful thinking. What we've witnessed during the time Trump has been elected has been so utterly outrageous and obvious a coup, only the truly brainwashed cannot see if for what it is. THIS IS NOT "POLITICAL" SITUATION. We are in a state of dysphoria, of shock. America is dealing with a government that is in a state of mutiny and treason -- yes, a coup -- where officials and standing politicians (and their shadow overlords) have been committing treason while sabotaging the President and his men in broad daylight EVERY day since his election. THIS is the New World Order you've so often laughed at as a phantom entity as it phantomly bludgeoned America on a regular basis. It started with the 9/11 debacle which you still absurdly and naively dismiss as "COINCIDENTAL." During your ridicule and laughter at such "conspiracies," 0bama was used by the Shadow Government (you STILL disbelieve) for EIGHT years to torch our Constitution in a full 360 degrees as the NWO, aided by this Puppet advanced the destruction of our Constitutional Republic -- including personal and national sovereignty. You laughed and ridiculed the notion of "conspiracies" of toxic policy, agenda, and overt sabotage. This while America and the World's collective governance have IGNORED ALL common sense policy and agendae while turning our world upside. For SOME reason you've (always) chosen to believe (or feigned belief) that the suicidal policies and agenda enacted NOT with the consent of We The People were/are still and all merely the result of bad or poor political negotiations (by Trump for example.) Tiny slivers of minorities and elites making MAJOR changes to our laws and Constitution are NOT figments of our imagination...nor merely matters of government policies or a President's coincidental bad judgement or inability to cooperate with NWO Patsies masquerading as House and Senate "leaders." I just don't know at what point you admit you are either DEAD WRONG about this government and the NWO....or that your function has been to help catapult the propaganda. Maybe when the UN flag is raised at the WH you'll finally come clean. OR maybe not.
Just stop.
Mmmm...so it's government by and for The People if you agree with what the prez does but a cabal of Wall Street banksters and the military-industrial complex if you don't like it? Convenient to have a Standard Total View so readily at hand. LOL Like you even think I will.
180 degrees from the REAL premise. Nice try. Congress has always been Kabuki Theater, but they have been AWFULLY. There's no pretense of acting. Typical Congress in action: (UNDER WHICH SHELL ARE WE HIDING THE TRUTH?? Oh wait....) Chyeah -- and what's NOT to like? We should *embrace* our hallucinations of a nation in deep crisis, of a rogue gubmint that's made paper airplanes out of the pages of he US Constitution, right? WHAT "coup"?? If CNN didn't report it, it doesn't exist. OH WAIT. I get it...I'm merely overstating he degree of HIGH TREASON committed at the highest levels of gubmint, right? Meh. "Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet?" Again -- I don't know what show *you've* been watching where McCain, Hitlery, 0bama, Rice, Huma, Blabbermouth-Schultz etal as nauseam aren't locked up YESTERDAY. The election of Donald Trump fully exposed the Puppet Show (aka your notion of "government"-in-action and cooperation with the President at ANY level who have the consent AND consensus to implement MAGA)... ...Which bring me to our next obvious observation: I suppose you're also still in denial about a President who's been maligned, undermined, and sabotaged not only by his own suppose "party," by every single vestige of "government at every single turn --- cloaked and uncloaked... Tell me, TC -- just who are those who supposedly support the "Wall St" aka World-Firster industrialist financiers/banksters and their Global-Firster agenda? How does any sentient political or culture observer who loves the Founders' America and its definitive instrument of liberty -- the US Constitution -- endorse the obvious hijacking of the Media, both fake political parties, the judiciary (including SCOTUS), Academe -- and THE TRUTH of any given matter? Those who dismiss, ignore or support elements of the Deep-State coup and Military-Industrial Complex's political manipulations, EVERYTHING to do with globalizing the office of the Presidency, eradication of the USCON, and destruction of our representative gubmint are enablers and accomplices -- willing and otherwise of murdering this Republic. "MAGA" is a term that repulses GOP leadership, whose reps ridicule the term and mandate because it jeopardizes their power and position and cabal, and threatens their NWO Cult with extinction.) It's more than odd that you would IN ANY CONTEXT "see" a "government by and for the People" existing at this point. Unless you're scoping out Yahoo "news," CNN, NBC, Slate, HuffPo, Berkeley, and the usual One World Gubmint/anarchist suspects. (Have you actually seen that kind of mechanism engaged in Congress during Trump's Presidency?) And btw -- 0bama either circumvented Congress or just plain steamrolled his agenda through with NO obstruction from ANY of the supposed "conservative" judiciary. His 0bamaCare was rammed through as a result of one SCOTUS justice (Roberts) LYING through his teeth, then escaping to Malta immediately after his rogue vote and presumed blackmail.
Pretty well expressed.
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I would say that I agree with Mencken that "democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." If you like to focus on hidden puppeteers, you can. However, the people are capable of reining in these cowardly pols if they really get fired up about something. If this were not true, Trump simply would not, could not, be in the White House now. So the puppeteers somehow missed their cue when it came to stopping Trump. It kinda spoils your whole Illuminati-type thing about the hidden hand of conspirators. How's that? Using Trump as proof that we are not ruled by elite conspirators. Well, it is a new angle on this whole Trump thing.
Thank you...
Was Mencken speaking as an elite or as a mere "commoner"? OH WAIT -- H.L. Menken was an ardent admirer of the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, a detractor of religion, populism and representative democracy. So by ALL means let's defer to Menken's opinion and good judgment with respect to who deserves what -- "GOOD AND HARD!" Are you at all familiar with the term "PsyOps"? "Projection"? "Stockholm Syndrome"? "Bread and Circuses"? If you like to focus on hidden puppeteers, you can. However, the people are capable of reining in these cowardly pols if they really get fired up about something. If this were not true, Trump simply would not, could not, be in the White House now. America's true "overlords" and Shadow Gubmint aren't so much hidden (no need for them to emerge as they depend on the McCain$, McConnell$, and Ryan$ to be their bag-men.) Then there is George $oro$, who for some unknown rea$on is THE one high-profile saboteur who is allowed carte blanch with absolute impunity to commit sedition, sabotage while undermining the Peace. Though I'm sure you'll dismiss that as well as "unfounded paranoia" AND have a reasonable explanation for that as well. to those of us paying an iota of attention. But I'll humor you for the moment... "Cowardly pols"? Yes, they are cowardly. For a different reason than you proffer. But here is part of your delusion: YOU actually believe (or lead us to believe) that our Representatives are benevolent and actually GAS about MAGA. The GOP FULLY cooperated with 0bama yet OBSTRUCTED and maligned Trump. 'Splain ho THAT works. With respect to Trump winning the Election, the NOT so "hidden puppeteers" overplayed their hand. (yes, even THEY screw up.) Not only that, they miscalculated on several counts -- importantly on their usual Fail-Safe measure during national elections: ELECTION MACHINE and VOTER FRAUD. Experts have already testified that computerize voting machine can easily be manipulated. So what we've witnessed for nearly a years is an hourly/daily/weekly/monthly tantrum and blown chunks of bile from the bi-partisan globalist puppet-whores of Congress, an Academe, Entertainment-Propaganda Division (includes Hollywood and the NFL), and MSM who are obvious tentacles OF that same subversive machination for messing up "Hitlery's Turn" and finishing off the USA. So the puppeteers somehow missed their cue when it came to stopping Trump. It kinda spoils your whole Illuminati-type thing about the hidden hand of conspirators. No. It only reinforced it. And exposed *them.* As well as their current/future agenda. Of course you believe the whole "Pizzagate" thing is benign, right? Sae of Epstein's "Pedo-Island"? And obviously you believe that 0bama IS an American citizen after all. Q: What is *your* explanation or theory for the lack of vetting 0bama? The reason for 0bama's vaulted transcripts, past records, and masked associates? How's that? Using Trump as proof that we are not ruled by elite conspirators. Well, it is a new angle on this whole Trump thing. I wish I could say I'm stunned by your perspective on the whole Trump PsyOp thing as he and his associates and staffers have ALL PROVEN to have been illegally wire-tapped, virulently undermined, openly sabotaged, slandered, libeled, demonized. But that's still and all just figments of fertile imaginations from "Trumpettes" right? IF you truly hold to the positions and opinions you represent and project, it wouldn't be the first time enlightened "True Believers" were swept up in the notion that all others are "paranoid" and crazy.
Woh, I did get your goat with that Mencken quote, eh? So the all-powerful puppeteers aren't powerful at all in the most fundamental staffing choice to head their government? It sounds like a major inconsistency in your argument. I think the Deep State spies on virtually everyone, especially those who might in some way threaten their power, their jobs. Notice how quickly Trump went to the Langley to reassure the CIA staffers that he supported them. And indicated that he didn't like the pillars in their meeting room (a sign of bad design to Trump) and they gave him a 60-minute standing ovation (because he had just discovered that no one can sit down until he gives them permission to sit). A totally Trumpian performance. But aren't you similarly looking at everyone who doesn't share your view are hopeless rubes, fundamentally stupid persons who are easily manipulated (unlike wise woke folks like you)?
My goat? Lol. Of all people for you to quote and agree with on the subject of "Democracy," elitist-fascist-atheist Mencken was a curious choice. Wanna do-over? :-) So the all-powerful puppeteers aren't powerful at all in the most fundamental staffing choice to head their government? That's *your* perspective. Their power was merely reinforced, wouldn't you say? It's been rare in US History that a President has been so totally disrobed of the usual power that is expected of a CiC. Oh wait -- what's happened during the last ten months is UN-PRECEDENTED. YOU may have overlooked it, but those of us paying attention have witnessed the all-powerful puppeteers go ridiculously out of their way to tell the world that Donald Trump is President of the United States of America IN NAME ONLY. I understand that you often prefer to turn a blind eye to the obvious, but as a reminder, the Overlord Puppeteers' (who you deny exist) achieved this by using Gestapo tactics -- illegally and un-constitutionally wiretapping President-Elect Donald Trump and everyone of his staffers, breaking into their homes in the middle of the night (*cough Manafort*), creating fake "Dossiers" and "Russia" narratives, and forcing the ouster every one of Trump's respective staffers -- presumably either by sheer intimidation, threats of blackmail. The usual from fascists who sense their agenda is threatened by a new and honest power. TC, have you any idea how this kind of thing happens in a Constitutional Republic to a newly elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?? I think the Deep State spies on virtually everyone, especially those who might in some way threaten their power, their jobs. You believe Alphabet Agys spy on everyone only because they were outed AS having spied on every one by Edward Snowden. Spying was weaponized by 0bama as a tool of blackmail; it's unconstitutional and unlawful without cause. Why isn't there accountability? Who defines their "jobs"? (whatever they ARE?) And who authorizes their function and permission to dismiss Presidential authority? Who exactly authorized the sh*tting on Americans' rights (yes, LIKE the President)? Who authorized rogue elements to break and ignore US Constititional Law while ostensibly creating a coup? This while PROTECTING TRAITORS. Notice how quickly Trump went to the Langley to reassure the CIA staffers that he supported them. And indicated that he didn't like the pillars in their meeting room (a sign of bad design to Trump) and they gave him a 60-minute standing ovation (because he had just discovered that no one can sit down until he gives them permission to sit). A totally Trumpian performance. What I noticed is the same MAGA agenda and promises that ARE "Trumpian" are being obstructed. Langley's "performance"? I don't GAS about the meeting. Why were no other meetings with past CICs NOT news but THIS one was?? Why shouldn't we presume that Langley's oaths are to the US Constitution instead of in their own interest, 0bama, or NWO Puppeteers? THAT "performance" bodes ill for this nation. It's a "bad sign" that Langley staffers no apparently call the shots for their own employment, run their collective gig like Gestapo, and threaten Presidents. I'm curious -- why must *their* staffers be reassured of jobs?? You seem to accept the notion that these people must be appeased like monsters, OR ELSE. The only "performance" that matters is one in which Congress truly represents We The People; the one in which Alphabet Agys tend to US "security" (instead of weaponizing their job, tending to a Globalist NWO Agenda, and acting as henchmen for un-named New World Order Puppetmeisters.) It seems many people are more than willing to watch, accept, and defend a coup in progress that takes down the President of the USA and with it, the demolition of the US Constitution. And pretend it's business as usual.
No -- I consider those who've posted at all the forums for 10-20 years, are supposedly "patriots," wise people, and savvy political observers -- yet regard those who've witnessed a gubmint go completely rogue as "rubes," Truthers," and "Conspiracy Theorists."
Obviously you worry more about these things than I do. You are in effect saying that, no matter who we elect, it's all just a shell game within a shell game. Well, if that is true, then there is no point in voting or following the news at all. Yet you do. Other than some nebulous plan to "let's git our guns and march on Washington", exactly what do you want to about Them (the Illumati alien reptiles who are the master puppeteers running our lives and the whole planet)?
....Other than some nebulous plan to "let's git our guns and march on Washington", exactly what do you want to about Them (the Illumati alien reptiles who are the master puppeteers running our lives and the whole planet)? So your condescending-little-twit is no act? I notice you haven't refuted my charges, merely responding by inferring all who oppose treason and the coup are ignorant, over-reactionary rubes....or worse -- likely privately opining, "ineffective oxygen thieves and whining serfs." You'll be sipping Mint Julip tea, grinning like a Cheshire -- "Hey Ma -- come watch the CNN report on the Redneck Revolt in DC! They'll never do anything to stop us!! Bwaahaa!!" Lemme guess your previous occupation: Gopher for the local Boss Hog? Or junior editor for 'Langley Today'? I suppose you've been promoted to, "Super-Elite Forum Blockwatcher." You're not clueless. Just a mercenary for Fascist Inc. I assume someone has marked your door in blood. Good luck with that.
I'm not sure what I said to merit such a silly screed. But roar on by all means. I wouldn't want to harsh your buzz or anything.
#2. To: Justified (#1)
With Trump you just do not have a clue what he is doing!
#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)
#4. To: Justified (#3)
3 things I ask for enforce the law(send them back), build the wall and destroy obamacare.
#5. To: Tooconservative (#0)
will Trump seek a deal with Democrats on amnesty for the 'Dreamers' in return for funding for border security?
#6. To: too conservative, nolu chan, yall (#5)
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Trumpian economic nationalism.
#7. To: nolu chan (#5)
The Democrats couldn't get this dog through Congress when they were the majority.
#8. To: Justified (#3)
" listening to Rush today and he said that 67% of Trumps base doesn't care if grants amnesty. "
#9. To: Tooconservative (#2)
" I've heard the claims that Trump is playing 11-dimensional chess against mere political midgets.
#10. To: Stoner (#9)
He ultimately is following orders from the globalists / bankers / CFR / NWO crowd. The blind sheep followers will argue otherwise, but forget the words, look at his actions. The actions are the proof !
#11. To: Tooconservative (#10)
" I'm not so sure. "
#12. To: Stoner (#11)
#13. To: Stoner, ALL Who Try To Make Sense of Nonsense and Still Believe in the Charade of a US Presidency (#9)
He [President Trump] ultimately is following orders from the globalists / bankers / CFR / NWO crowd.
#14. To: Liberator (#13)
If Trump had his way, HIS MAGA agenda would be well underway, little obstructionist judges would be steamrolled, and The Swamp disinfected. BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE CASE. Why not? Can't anyone do the math?? Or are the Pods just in denial?
#15. To: Tooconservative (#2)
But no sane politician plays chicken with the base of their own party.
#16. To: Tooconservative (#14)
Maybe it's your math that doesn't add up in the cold light of day.
#17. To: Liberator (#15)
TC, dunno about you, but the rest of us have had eyes and ears and common sense with which to discern when a governance is working with the consent of The People, or ruling as rogue tyrants with impunity from personal and constitutional accountability...Because they are PUPPETS. The world's biggest and most obvious Puppet has been one John McCain. (Yes yes-- go ahead and deny it as expected.)
Just stop.
#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)
Mmmm...so it's government by and for The People if you agree with what the prez does but a cabal of Wall Street banksters and the military-industrial complex if you don't like it?
#19. To: Liberator (#15)
#20. To: Liberator (#18)
It's more than odd that you would IN ANY CONTEXT "see" a "government by and for the People" existing at this point. Unless you're scoping out Yahoo "news," CNN, NBC, Slate, HuffPo, Berkeley, and the usual One World Gubmint/anarchist suspects.
#21. To: Stoner (#19)
#22. To: Tooconservative (#20)
I would say that I agree with Mencken that "democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
#23. To: Liberator (#22)
(Edited)
OH WAIT -- H.L. Menken was an ardent admirer of the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, a detractor of religion, populism and representative democracy. So by ALL means let's defer to Menken's opinion and good judgment with respect to who deserves what -- "GOOD AND HARD!"
With respect to Trump winning the Election, the NOT so "hidden puppeteers" overplayed their hand. (yes, even THEY screw up.)
I wish I could say I'm stunned by your perspective on the whole Trump PsyOp thing as he and his associates and staffers have ALL PROVEN to have been illegally wire-tapped, virulently undermined, openly sabotaged, slandered, libeled, demonized. But that's still and all just figments of fertile imaginations from "Trumpettes" right?
IF you truly hold to the positions and opinions you represent and project, it wouldn't be the first time enlightened "True Believers" were swept up in the notion that all others are "paranoid" and crazy.
#24. To: Tooconservative, ALL (#23)
Woh, I did get your goat with that Mencken quote, eh?
#25. To: Tooconservative, ALL (#23)
But aren't you similarly looking at everyone who doesn't share your view are hopeless rubes, fundamentally stupid persons who are easily manipulated (unlike wise woke folks like you)?
#26. To: Liberator (#24)
#27. To: Tooconservative (#26)
(Edited)
Obviously you worry more about these things than I do....
#28. To: Liberator (#27)
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