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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In WORLD WAR III See other WORLD WAR III Articles Title: isn't time we put a stop to this? Source: news.com.au URL Source: http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/n ... 18ce7d1547f0159b7b2a4e3fe15fb2 Published: Sep 14, 2017 Author: paraclete Post Date: 2017-09-14 21:50:41 by paraclete Keywords: missile Views: 3641 Comments: 39 AIR raid sirens blared across Japan again today. Another North Korean missile streaked over the island nation’s skies. As startled citizens streamed into bunkers and shelters, Japan’s government went to great lengths to inform and reassure the public that it was doing everything possible to protect them. Truth is, there is very little the Japanese military can do. The launch was detected at 6.59am Japanese Standard Time. At 7.06am, the ballistic missile overflew the heavily populated island of Hokkaido. It was in Japanese air space for less than two minutes before it fell into the ocean some 2000km to the east at 7.16am. Early reports indicate it was in the air for a total of just 17 minutes, during which it reached an altitude of 770km and flew a total of 3700km. This is characteristic of the nuclear-capable HS-12 intermediate range ballistic missile (IRBM). So why did Japan’s much-hyped interceptor missiles not attempt to take it down? They probably can’t. ACTION STATIONS The North Korean missile was detected within seconds of its launch. US early warning satellites have been keeping a close watch on North Korea for some time now. And there’s an extensive network of radars in South Korea, the Sea of Japan and Japan itself on standby for just such an event. It would have taken just minutes to activate Japan’s automatic public alert system, with messages flashing up on mobile phones and recorded voices blaring over radios and televisions. Every movement of the missile would have been precisely tracked. Computers would have been rapidly number-crunching Click for Full Text! Poster Comment: I have had enough of this, I'm sure other have too, it is about time someone wacked Kim up the side of the head and said cut it out Dufus. There is supposed to be a war on terror going one, not very newsworthy these days since the US isn't leading, but isn't this terror? Just because he hasn't actually killed anyone doesn't mean it isn't terror. Clinton bombed Al Qaeda, Bush bombed the shit out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama bombed the shit out of Gaddaffi, and here we have Kim [playing it like he can do anything he wants Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 21. #1. To: paraclete (#0) Ignore him. He's shooting fireworks. He wants attention. Don't give it to him. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-14   22:05:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Vicomte13 (#1) Ignore him. That doesn't seem to work paraclete  posted on  2017-09-15   0:02:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: paraclete (#2) Ignore him. That doesn't seem to work It does. Kim shoots fireworks. He hasn't shot one into a city. If he does that, declare war, invade and take him out. Until he does it, ignore him. Violate his airspace. Board his ships at sea and find things on them and impound them. Fly drones over North Korea that people can see. Piss him off by disregarding North Korean sovereignty and seizing their property where it's easy to get. Launch constant cyberhacks that make the North Korean use of computers problematic. Steal money from North Korean bank accounts. Essentially, anything that is outside of North Korea - take it. Take the private property of North Korean officials and their families and never give it back. Take it and spend it. Treat North Korea and North Koreans as having no property rights, no privacy rights, and North Korea as having no sovereignty. Treat North Korea the way that the American police treat little people. Instead of playing THEIR game and huffing and puffing, treat them as a law enforcement situation within America - criminals have no sovereignty and no rights, so stop according North Korea the pretense of things like borders, etc. This will make L'il Kim VERY VERY MAD. He's lawless, so deal with him lawlessly. It's fun to do so, and easy - the world is ours - and it inflicts terrible costs on him. Essentially, steal the North Korean's property wherever it is in the world, just like we take drug lords' stuff, without trial, without procedure - just use our superior technology to TAKE IT, and never give it back. L'il Kim can only respond with war, in which case HE took the step, and you kill him and fight the war. Don't let HIM provoke US to expenditures and huffing and puffing. Just take the North Korean's shit and harass them with drones and hacks and thefts and seizing ships and private back accounts. He's an aggressive criminal. It isn't criminal when the cops lie and take stuff and break it. We're the cops, so we can do whatever the fuck we want to North Korean property, and ignore North Korean rights. Kim was educated in the West. Many North Korean officials and power people have children in the West, which means that there are private money streams for elite families all over the place. Steal it all. He's lawless. We're lawful - because the cops don't have to play by the same rules. Who says we're the cops? We do. We control the rest of the world. We have the power to do it. And might makes right. That's how you deal with it. What you don't do is gear up and spend money on a shadow war that is at Kim's discretion. You just steal all of the North Korean property in the world outside of North Korea and you keep it. And you fly drones all over their country and force them to go postal over the violation of their airspace. Not good drones - cheap drones, stuff we can lose all the time. Drive the North Koreans mad with rage. If they attack, murder them. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-15   7:03:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Vicomte13 (#5) Drive the North Koreans mad with rage. That is already being done. That is the problem. We need to get out of the rest of the worlds business and take care of our own. First we don't have the funds to keep this ignorance up. I think it is ignorance gone to seed to keep spending our tax dollars for this bullshit. U don't know me  posted on  2017-09-15   7:15:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: U don't know me (#6) I do too - think it's madness. That's why I elected Trump. But Trump was not able to hold the line against the militaristic Right. So since we're not going to stick to our knitting and tend our own garden, we may as well go postal and attempt to complete the conquest of the world. Then we'll have peace under a global American imperium. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-15   7:36:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Vicomte13 (#8) Nut case talk. A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-15   8:11:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: A K A Stone (#9) Nut case talk. Who are you to judge? Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-15   8:41:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Vicomte13 (#10) Who are you to judge? He's is absolutely right. It is nut-case talk. You want to invade the whole world and declare the USA the king of the planet? You want the USA to be the first empire in history to succeed in subjugating the entire globe? You actually think a country with 5% of the world population is going to succeed in such an endeavor while 2 major nuclear powers sit idly by and let it happen? We can't even freakin take over the desolate country of Afghanistan run by a people armed with nothing more than rifles for crying out loud. What are you smoking today? Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-15   11:01:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Pinguinite (#12) You want to invade the whole world and declare the USA the king of the planet? You want the USA to be the first empire in history to succeed in subjugating the entire globe? You actually think a country with 5% of the world population is going to succeed in such an endeavor while 2 major nuclear powers sit idly by and let it happen? We can't even freakin take over the desolate country of Afghanistan run by a people armed with nothing more than rifles for crying out loud. We already rule the world. There are outliers beyond our grasp, currently. The rest of the world is part of the global economic and financial system, which has us as the linchpin. When faced with a little malignant growth like L'il Kim, it is best not to humor him - lest that encourage the other malcontents. Far better to engineer his downfall. In for a penny, in for a pound. I not only want the USA to be the first world conqueror in history, but I want us to do it well, so that we are also the last. The only nuclear power that's really a threat is Russia. Which is why we should be bending over backwards to make a formal alliance with Russia, not alienanting them. The number two nuclear power is France. They're an ally who will never launch on the US. Britain is number three, and ditto. China is number four. They're not capable of MAD. They're capable of doing some damage, mostly to US allies. If they were to decide to go to nuclear war on us, it would be the end of them. We'd have some death and destruction, which we would clean up and recover from over time. They'd be gone as a nation and a threat. We COULD take over Afghanistan rather easily, if we were willing to do what it takes. Biological weapons placed in the right place will decimate the population without our lifting a finger, other than to administer the antidote vaccine to whomever submits. It is true that you cannot convert them to Whitehall democracy. But we certainly CAN kill them all. Rather than breaking ourselves in a pointless endless war, we maybe ought to get on it. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-15   14:09:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Vicomte13 (#15) Do understand that your sentiments expressed here are, no doubt, much in line with Kim Jong Un's himself. Only difference is the country you are cheering on. Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-15   14:15:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Pinguinite (#16) Do understand that your sentiments expressed here are, no doubt, much in line with Kim Jong Un's himself. Only difference is the country you are cheering on. No, his sentiments are not really the same. His are the sentiments of a little tribal chieftain of a little tribe in a rather depressing corner of the world. Mine are the sentiments of the heir of four great conquering empires: the French, the Spanish, the Dutch and the English - who rolled out of their home continent over all of the others, recombined into a new empire here in America that broke all of the old European ones and recombined their best and brightest, or most earnest, in a new and stronger empire in a brave New World. World War II brought all of those empires together in the end under the hegemony of the new one, and since World War II it has been a matter of halting the spread of opposed ideas and expanding the empire further through economic conquest. Korea was nothing and still is on its own account. South Korea, alone, BECAME a great economic power BECAUSE it was taken into the Pax Americana. So L'il Kim can dream of being some sort of ridiculous god-emperor eastern tribal potentate, but I think like a scion of the race that has steadily and progressively conquered and civilized the world since Clovis accepted baptism in 486 AD. The difference is the difference between the English, Dutch, French, Spanish and Portuguese in the Americas, and all of the OTHER non-Indian races here. All of the rest are immigrants into our land, but WE five are conquerors who TOOK this land, by force, successfully, and made it into our lands - into which others are permitted to come if they adopt our ways, our languages, etc. We're not immigrants - we are conquerors. North Korea's leader is not a conqueror. He's an Indian chief. That he and we both understand the utility of force in accomplishing our goals is where we are the same. Everything after that is different. His goal is small beer, small-minded, desperate, defensive and ultimately ridiculous. Nobody - including the Koreans - needs a god-emperor, which is effectively what the Kims are trying to be. That's old technology that didn't work. Even the North Koreans - the ones who survive the war - will be better off part of the global economic system. L'il Kim does not care about the well being of his future subjects. But we care about the well being even of our future subjects and current enemies. Unfortunately, as so often happens, we may have to destroy the village in order to save it. But we have developed a professional level of expertise at doing that over the past 1500 years, and 1000 years before that if you understand that we are the continuation of the Roman spirit (particularly when we are in our Catholic form). None of these thoughts, none of the system of conquest and then changing the conquered subjects, eventually, into co-equal citizens and participants and supporters of the Empire - none of that has ever existed among the Indian tribes, who only look inward to themselves and their own narrow dreams and jealousies. Kim Jong Un is, in the final analysis, not at all the same as me. His ridiculous little tribal country is in no sense an equal to or a peer of the American Empire, or the French, Spanish, British, Portuguese or Dutch Empires before it. Successful empire is not on Kim's mind. He's a piss-ant. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-15   14:29:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Vicomte13 (#17) You completely missed my point. But..... okay. Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-15   14:57:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Pinguinite (#18) Oh, wait, maybe your point as that Kim Jong Un and I are both thugs with a mind for murder to get our way. Nah. He is. I'm not. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-15   15:20:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Vicomte13 (#20) Oh, wait, maybe your point as that Kim Jong Un and I are both thugs with a mind for murder to get our way. Nah. He is. I'm not. Bingo! Kim may be a tyrant, but may well just the same harbor patriotic loyalty to the country he rules. If he simply enjoyed the lush life of tyrants, then he could enjoy that, perhaps even better if he wasn't subjecting his country to sanctions by promoting a nuke weapon program. But he's not, so it seems he may well be moving forward with nuke weapons because he's a patriotic North Korean with a thoroughly indoctrinated mindset about how the USA laid waste to his country and killed many hundreds of thousands, if not millions of his people. And honestly, Vic, if he has the same patriotic strength to NK as you do to the USA, seeing moral justification in laying waste to enemies, then the NK crisis is indeed a serious crisis. Perhaps it's not an exaggeration to say that we may actually be better off with Kim running NK than we would be with you. Given your past conversations, I don't understand how your moral code could stand the light of day. That's my honest take. You claim to be a Christian, I think, and yet it seems you are an American first, and a Christian perhaps second, or maybe even fifth or tenth. Not that it's any of my business, or even something I'd want to discuss. I would simply point out that what you have written on this thread does indeed paint you as having the same mentality as a despotic thug, as you see fit to lay waste to entire countries and peoples in the name of... well.... whatever. And no, a simple denial is not convincing in the least. As the old cliche goes, sometimes people fight what they hate so much they eventually become what they hate. Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-15   16:40:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 21. #22. To: Pinguinite (#21) but may well just the same harbor patriotic loyalty to the country he rules. With me it is not a matter of patriotic ardor, but a consideration of the best interest of people. It is better for the people of the various nations of Europe that all of Europe was swept into a supranational state. It is better for the residents of each of the American states that the states are not as sovereign as they once were. Long-term peace - which usually requires a war that ends in decisive victory for one side and the crushing out of the other, ends up being more beneficial, over time, for the people on BOTH sides. The Germans are better off today than they ever would have been had the Third Reich actually have WON the war. The Japanese are better off to have been crushed in 1945 than if they had continued with their ancient lunacy. Military expenditures are incredibly expensive, and they impoverish all sides. When everybody is swept into an Empire, the huge wastefulness of maintaining vast military forces is significantly reduced. Rome at the time of the Republic had something on the order of 120 legions to guard against this enemy and that, this rebellious city state and that. But once Rome conquered the whole Mediterranean, the army decreased in size by over 2/3rds. The Pax Romana was maintained from Britain to the Euphrates, and from the Danube to the Sahara, with just 33 legions, for centuries. Imperial victory resulted in a massive reduction in military spending, which in turn meant spending on other things of benefit to commerce and, ultimately, people: roads, sewers, aqueducts. British people are better off as part of a demilitarized union with France, Holland, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Italy and all those Commonwealth countries than the British - or any piece of the Commonwealth - or any of those other countries ever were. To GET THERE, Europe had to burn itself completely to the ground and be swept into the American Empire. It's not the fact that the Empire is American. Had the British conquered the world, or had Napoleon won in Russia, or had the Spanish Armada not been swept away by a hurricane - any of the civilized Western powers that had a shot at the general conquest of Europe and, after that, the World - would have produced a worldwide imperial system that would leave people around the world generally better off than they otherwise would be, simply because of the inherent economic growth effects of stable, peaceful, large imperial markets. America is simply the country that won the race. The other top contenders for the prize were probably Rome, France, Spain and Britain. It's not surprising that English, Spanish and French are the dominant world languages: they had successful world empires. In the end, all three came under American leadership, and that has been good for all of us, not just the Americans. The issue with L'il Kim is that he's an aggressive murderous thug whose OBJECTIVE is to have a population kowtowing to him on his knees NO MATTER WHAT the consequences. If he wins, darkness settles in forever. One cannot look at the Pax Americana, which embraces Europe, Japan, the Americas in general, the old British, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Dutch Empires (for the most part) and argue that people within the Empire are in darkness. They are collectively better off than at any time in human history. If North Korea has to be broken, and is, then after the trauma, it begins to rise to status of the South, just like Germany became free like the West, and rich, and East Germany and Poland are rising rapidly to the imperial norm now that they, too, have been swept into the Empire. By and large, one world government under Western principles is better for all mankind. The outcome of the historical game is that the flag at the top of the highest pole is the Stars and Stripes, but had it been the Union Jack or the French tricolor or the lilies of the Bourbons it really wouldn't have made much of a difference. On the other hand, the crescent and star, or the hammer and sickle, or the swastika all would have greatly diminished the happiness and health of the collective whole. America, Britain, France, Spain, Holland - doesn't really make a difference. The differences are only cosmetic. All are part of one sprawling amalgamated Western Empire that is finished with internal war - and THAT is the secret to the economic success of MOST of the people within the system. Systems built on different principles are quite a bit worse, because those principles are inferior morally and in terms of economics and commerce. In every generation our ancestors have had to fight a particular ideological threat. In mine, it has been the Cold War - the relentless press of Communism as the alternative world view to the Western one. The West, in the period since World War I, has NEVER been the aggressor, not ever. Rather, the West has settled down to internal peace and commerce. It has been aggressive imperialists of the old style who have disturbed the peace: German conquerors first, then Soviet-led Communists. The Cold War against the USSR was long and hard, but it had to be won, and it was. However, the Cold War against Communist dictatorship was not COMPLETELY won. Red China is still Communist, and fascistic and aggressive. North Korea is still a Stalinist state. The Castros still rule Cuba. Left wing thuggery has broken Venezuela. The West is not perfect, but the alternative is a lot worse. Faced with people who are willing to kill - and Kim has killed millions - the truth is that you have to be willing to kill the killers. This is not "Being the same" as they are, morally. It is justice. We have the right given by God to kill killers, and the sooner we get to the business of doing it, the fewer people have to die. By leaving Kim in power, MILLIONS have been starved to death in North Korea by their own leader. He doesn't care. I DO care, and just as in the case of Auschwitz, as a Christian, I categorically reject as blind and stupid any sort of moral equivalence between ME, who doesn't want to see ANYBODY killed, and Hitler, or Kim Jong Un, who routinely starve and kill millions as an avenue to power. He doesn't have the right to kill North Korean people in his quest for power. But because he DOES, God automatically gives me the right, and the full moral license, to go kill him and his killers BECAUSE of what he does. If North Koreans don't want to join the world system, I don't care. The Swiss don't join the EU, I'm not for invading Switzerland. But when leaders start murdering my cousins - for all humans are cousins - in their quest for power, the the absolute commandment of God: the man who sheds blood - by man shall his blood be shed - HE is the criminal, I AM the justiciar who calls to shed his blood as PUNISHMENT for what he does. This is Christian. It is perfectly Christian. It is obedient to God. It is seeking justice. A knock on effect of killing the killers is that the surviving people, once freed, can join the larger world system and have a good shot at decent lives. I don't have the right to kill the North Korean government because I am an American. I have the right to kill them because they kill people in droves in their quest for power in North Korea. Nobody has the right to do that. Hitler did not have the right to Kill Jews, and Kim Jong Un doesn't have the right to kill North Koreans. Because they DO that - and nothing more - gives us the absolute right - as men of God - to go in and kill them. That's justice. Now, truth is, most men are not nearly as focused on morality as I am. They need OTHER inducements to be willing to risk their lives to see justice done and peace restored. For THOSE men, the flag, the culture, the national anthem, personal advancement, economic wealth - these are the blandishments offered by the expansion of the Empire. Their numbers and efforts are needed to get rid of Kim, and so they are called upon, by what interests them, to get them on board. IF men could be motivated to action simply by calling for the good, then we could stop there. But they can't be. The Americans, for example, stayed out of World War II until the Japanese and Germans attacked them. It would have been best to have gone in immediately, before France fell, and ended the charade. But Americans, by and large, were too self-interested for that. So more had to die. It would have been best had slavery been abolished because it was wrong, back at the founding of the country. But men were comfortable in their evil. Eventually it was uprooted, at much greater loss and death and suffering, because men were allowed to remain quietly in their evils. I do not become what I hate. I see in the unwillingness to attack and uproot evil mere cowardice. I see the people who don't want to fight the killer Kim as the same thing as the Americans who were not themselves slaves, and so were indifferent to slaveowners holding them, or the Americans who were content to let Hitler devour the world as long as he didn't bother us. That's not good enough. But faced with cowardice which forces inaction, what is there to do? Rage at it. That's what I do: I rage at it, just as the abolitionists raged at slavery during all of the long years of evil, lazy and cowardly American indifference to the subject; I rage at it just as the pro-lifers rage today at a system that consigns 2 million babies a year to the garbage bin for the sexual convenience of incontinent people. I rage at it just as the free peoples of Europe, and any strategist with half a brain, raged at American lack of interest in helping the free peoples of the world in 1939, 1940 and 1941. If you want to equate me to Kim Jong Un, that's ok. Others on this website equate me to a thrall of Satan because of my religion. Addle-headed people abound here - and as time goes on I lose the interest in being particularly clear or sequential in my argumentation, because nobody here gives a shit anyway. Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-15 17:55:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 21. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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