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Title: This Dogma Won't Hunt
Source: Christianity Today Magazine
URL Source: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ed ... ban-sanders-and-new-relig.html
Published: Sep 10, 2017
Author: Ed Stetzer
Post Date: 2017-09-10 15:04:59 by redleghunter
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This Dogma Won't Hunt: Feinstein, Durbin, Sanders, and the New Religious Test for Office So much for Article VI of the U.S. Constitution | ED STETZER

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Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) is the most recent, joined by Dick Durbin, and preceded (most famously) by Bernie Sanders. In all cases, their comments are catching notice on the right and left, and appropriately so. Furthermore, the frequency with which we are seeing it occur is beginning to cause concern for those who hold to religious beliefs today.

Feinstein admonished Amy Barrett, a Trump nominee for a judgeship on the 7th Circuit, saying that Barrett’s Roman Catholic “dogma lives loudly” within her. Lest her words be out of context, here is the context of her statement:

Why is it that so many of us on this side have this very uncomfortable feeling that— you know, dogma and law are two different things. And I think whatever a religion is, it has its own dogma. The law is totally different. And I think in your case, professor, when you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you, and that’s of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for years in this country.

Dogma is defined by Merriam Webster as, “a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church.” In other words, these are things that people of faith have settled upon in terms of doctrines or beliefs.

This, perhaps, might remind us that dogma lived loudly in many of the nations founders. And it might also remind us of Article VI of the United States Constitution that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Officer or public Trust under the United States.”

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#12. To: redleghunter (#0)

Feinstein admonished Amy Barrett, a Trump nominee for a judgeship on the 7th Circuit, saying that Barrett’s Roman Catholic “dogma lives loudly” within her.

I wonder (not really) if Feinstein approves of whatever lives loudly within, and comes out in opinions of, Justices Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan?

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-14   4:03:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan (#12)

I wonder (not really) if Feinstein approves of whatever lives loudly within, and comes out in opinions of, Justices Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan?

That's a good point. However, the counter argument will always be that political ideology is not a 'religion' and is accepted in secular society.

Our elected and appointed officials have a very infantile understanding of what Jefferson meant by 'separation of church and state." We have some who actually believe such a statement exists in our Constitution.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-14   14:03:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: redleghunter (#14)

However, the counter argument will always be that political ideology is not a 'religion' and is accepted in secular society.

One's religious belief should not be dispositive. The Judge should answer the question of what the Government has been delegated power to do lawfully, or what it cannot do. For example, deciding whether the power to decide the issue of abortion has been delegated to the Federal government is a legal question. It is not a moral question of whether abortion should be legal or criminal, but a question of who has the power to decide the issue, the States or the Federal government.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-14   18:30:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nolu chan (#16)

You are correct.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-14   23:39:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: redleghunter (#17)

Tyranus, are you aware of the fallacies you exude in your posts?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-09-14   23:47:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#18)

Bucky, the “Tyranus” deal was a joke. If this joke provoked you to anger, you have my sincerest apologies.

What can we say further to each other? You clearly operate from the material world in which we both live. The world we see is a lie. We either love the lie and willfully live by that lie; or we reject the lie for the Truth of the world we cannot see which is in Christ Jesus and His Promise. A Promise most sure which Christ demonstrated in His life, death, resurrection and ascension into Heaven to be seated at the Right Hand of Power.

It comes down to these two ‘worlds.’ The one we currently live in which is a lie. It is a world of bloodshed, corruption, greed, lust, cold-heartedness, and covetousness. Best summed up by the apostle Paul:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

We have to ask the question. Where do we put our hope? In the world of sin and hate, or is our hope in Christ and His Promise?

Instead of giving you an interweb sermon I prayed for you this morning because I used to love the lie of this world. It is a prison cell. The lie of the fallen world is self-perpetuating. It is a world of death. Yet so many love it and live by it.

However, there is Hope. And this will be my prayer for you Bucky….to have the heart to accept the Truth which is Christ Jesus.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-09-15   17:22:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: redleghunter (#25)

Bucky, the “Tyranus” deal was a joke.

No it wasn't as it was a classical Freudian slip, Tyranus. In other words, you blew it, Tyranus and you did so in publick among your peers; this is why you are backtracking on your earlier post, calling your rampage a mere "joke."

What can we say further to each other?

Not much but I want to point out, your communication skills literally "suck." Your formal education must have been horribly supported to you by your parents.

You clearly operate from the material world in which we both live. The world we see is a lie. We either love the lie and willfully live by that lie; or we reject the lie for the Truth of the world we cannot see which is in Christ Jesus and His Promise. A Promise most sure which Christ demonstrated in His life, death, resurrection and ascension into Heaven to be seated at the Right Hand of Power.

You deny reality, Tyranus. You live here, just as I do; in time, energy, space and matter, as it abounds for all living creatures; yet, you suggest some sort of game as, "GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD" because you believe in some mystical property designed especially for you. Let me explain beliefs in a few brief words ... you are operating without fact based evidence to support your decisions and as a result, you will fail despite your conviction. You are akin to a sleepy little child waking up from sleep, rubbing his eyes with nothing more than hope of and about the tooth faerie.

It comes down to these two ‘worlds.’ The one we currently live in which is a lie. It is a world of bloodshed, corruption, greed, lust, cold-heartedness, and covetousness. Best summed up by the apostle Paul:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

You don't, "get it." There are not "two worlds." There is an infinity of worlds in reality. Reality is not based on "two worlds" or even three, four or five. The world around us is complex and cannot be simplified to your silly misunderstanding of a "two worlds" concept, Tyranus.

We have to ask the question. Where do we put our hope? In the world of sin and hate, or is our hope in Christ and His Promise?

I don't have to ask that question nor do I have a need to ask the question; nor is there a need for an answer. You are an absolute idiot, Tyranus.

Instead of giving you an interweb sermon I prayed for you this morning because I used to love the lie of this world. It is a prison cell. The lie of the fallen world is self-perpetuating. It is a world of death. Yet so many love it and live by it.

How precious!

However, there is Hope. And this will be my prayer for you Bucky….to have the heart to accept the Truth which is Christ Jesus.

Astounding! Yet, your tyme is spent on worthless pursuits. You must have fact based evidence to support or otherwise substantiate your thoughts, ideas, motivations and ACTIONS.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-09-16   11:51:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo, redleghunter (#32)

Let me explain beliefs in a few brief words ...

...you are operating without fact based evidence to support your decisions and as a result, you will fail despite your conviction. You are akin to a sleepy little child waking up from sleep, rubbing his eyes with nothing more than hope of and about the tooth faerie.

Tell us Bucky: WHAT ARE THE "Facts"?? (according to you?)

Which "evidence" of Red's faith must he dismiss in your opinion as "insufficiently proven"?

"NOR [is] there a need for an answer."

An answer which children often give to avoid admitting the truth.

You must have fact based evidence to support or otherwise substantiate your thoughts, ideas, motivations and ACTIONS.

Red has repeatedly over the years presented and substantiated "thoughts, ideas, motivations and ACTIONS"; And also the consequence for ignoring the obvious. It's your own free will that allows you to accept or deny or dismiss the obvious.

Baseline FACT #1: YOU WERE CREATED. Baseline FACT #2: ALL CREATION HAS A MAKER. Baseline FACT #3: ALL CREATION HAS FUNCTION, PURPOSE AND REASON.

NONE of these three obvious baselines can be denied if one is intellectual honest.

Subsequent factual Baselines are the realm of those who seek the truth and way.

Liberator  posted on  2017-09-16   12:13:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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