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Title: Arrested Utah Nurse Had It Coming
Source: Saily Caller
URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/04/arrested-utah-nurse-had-it-coming/
Published: Sep 4, 2017
Author: Gregg RE, Associate editor
Post Date: 2017-09-04 18:49:15 by misterwhite
Keywords: None
Views: 19627
Comments: 123

The near-universal outrage surrounding the arrest of Alex Wubbels, the Salt Lake City nurse who was arrested July 26 for refusing to let police officers draw blood from an unconscious crash victim, empowered Wubbels and her attorney to threaten legal action against the police on CNN’s “New Day” on Monday. At the very least, Wubbels says, she’d like to “re-educate” the police department on proper procedure.

Prospective students are advised to steer clear of Wubbels’ courses. Despite reams of inaccurate reporting on the incident, Wubbels was likely legally wrong to obstruct the police officer. The case is a much closer one than it appears.

In a widely-seen video documenting her arrest, Wubbels calmly tells a police officer, Jeff Payne, that hospital policy permits the police to draw blood from patients in only three instances: when the patient consents, when the patient is under arrest, or when the police officer has a warrant.

After a hospital administrator tells Payne he is making a “mistake” by insisting he has the right to obtain the blood, Payne arrests the nurse, who howls her way outside of the building and proceeds to put the “salt” in Salt Lake City.

The hospital’s policy does not have the force of law, even if the local police department agreed to its terms. And crucially, the policy overlooks a well-established exception to the warrant requirement: Police simply do not need a warrant if exigent circumstances justify an urgent search and seizure of evidence. The imminent loss of blood evidence, which would be useful in a drunk-driving case, qualifies as a potentially exigent circumstance.

A quick hypothetical. Let’s say you’re watching an unlikely UCLA comeback in the peace and quiet of your own home on the day before Labor Day, when suddenly your neighbor bursts through your front door with a pile of drugs in his hands. You hear police sirens in the background, and your neighbor says, “They’re coming for me!”

As your neighbor busies himself by tossing his cocaine into your toilet, the doorbell rings, and the police request to come inside. They’ve seen your neighbor running into your house with what they suspect are drugs.

“A-ha,” you say. “I have a policy. No police in my house without my consent, or a warrant, or unless I’m under arrest.”

The police would be justified in pushing you aside – even breaking your door down if necessary – to get to your bathroom. As long as a reasonable person would conclude that evidence is in imminent risk of destruction, the police can enter your home for the limited purpose of preventing that destruction.

If you actively impeded their access to the bathroom, you would likely find yourself at least temporarily detained. (Wubbels was only detained for approximately twenty minutes).

In its reporting of this incident, The New York Times falsely claimed that “the United States Supreme Court ruled that the police do not have the right to draw blood in drunk driving investigations without a warrant.”

But the case the Times cites, Missouri v. McNeely, does not stand for that proposition at all. The court explicitly held in McNeely that some drunk-driving cases could permit warrantless blood draws.

“When officers in drunk-driving investigations can reasonably obtain a warrant before having a blood sample drawn without significantly undermining the efficacy of the search, the Fourth Amendment mandates that they do so,” the Court wrote. “Circumstances may make obtaining a warrant impractical such that the alcohol’s dissipation will support an exigency, but that is a reason to decide each case on its facts….”

There are some more complicated questions at play here. The police are on far shakier ground if they demanded the nurse to draw blood for them, as opposed to the police drawing the blood themselves. But the video suggests that the police wanted to draw blood here.

“If she interferes in any way with me getting the blood drawn, she needs to be arrested,” an officer says early on in the video. And The Washington Post has reported that Payne is a trained police phlebotomist, meaning that he is sent to hospitals to collect blood from patients and check for illicit substances.

But the coverage of this incident has focused so much on outrage that outlets cannot agree on even this basic factual issue. CNN has reported that the nurse “refused to let police officers draw blood.” The New York Times reported that the nurse was arrested after “refusing to draw patient’s blood.” News outlets cannot even agree on who was going to draw the blood.

Officer Payne is now on paid administrative leave. The chief of the Salt Lake City police department has said he is “alarmed” and “sorry.” There is talk of lawsuits and criminal investigation. The mayor of Salt Lake City has called the arrest “completely unacceptable” and apologized.

These are moves are necessitated not by the law, but public relations. Wubbels says in the video that “you can’t put me under arrest.”

Unfortunately, and only because she is a sympathetic nurse up against a faceless Officer Payne in the YouTube era, she may have been right.

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#4. To: misterwhite (#0)

Sophistry. The Supreme Court is the final authority on what the Constitution is. The Supreme Court has ruled on the subject matter. The cop acted illegally. He's toast.

The supervisor who told him to do it is likewise going to suffer important consequences. It's all much for the good.

And because the cop also threatened his other employer, the EMT services, he will probably also lose that job.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-05   8:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

The Supreme Court has ruled on the subject matter.

That they did. But you're misreading the ruling.

"The supervisor who told him to do it is likewise going to suffer important consequences."

I don't see why. They were both operating under department policy. Which has now been changed.

"And because the cop also threatened his other employer, the EMT services, he will probably also lose that job."

How did he threaten his employer? I read something about taking all the transients to that hospital.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-05   9:43:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite (#7)

I'm not misreading the ruling. That will be clear at the end of all of this: the cop will not be vindicated. He will be crucified.

Yes, he threatened his employers by taking all of the transients to that hospital.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-05   10:58:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Vicomte13 (#16)

I'm not misreading the ruling.

The ruling stated that exigent circumstances alone were not sufficient for a warrantless blood draw. Nothing to do with this case.

"Yes, he threatened his employers by taking all of the transients to that hospital.

How are his employers threatened by that? The hospital would be pissed, yeah. That's the intent.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-05   11:48:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#32)

How are his employers threatened by that? The hospital would be pissed, yeah. That's the intent.

I would bet that the university hospital (and others) will all inevitably impose new terms of service on private ambulance companies as a result of this.

And the cop will be fired by Gold Cross too. He probably has been already. They don't need the grief from the public or the hospitals.

BTW, you haven't mentioned the charges the cop will likely face.

https://le.utah.gov/~2016/bills/static/SB0106.html

Looks to me like he is guilty of a class A misdemeanor assault of medical personnel. Since she was not injured, he likely will not qualify for a felony charge. Too bad.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-05   12:03:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Tooconservative (#35)

BTW, you haven't mentioned the charges the cop will likely face.

They won't face any charges. None that won't be thrown out.

She obstructed a police officer. She was arrested for obstruction. She then resisted arrest and and the police officer used only the force necessary to place her into the patrol car.

You're as bad as the MSM with your made-up facts and your made-up laws. And this is with a video showing you exactly what happened.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-05   12:11:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite (#37)

This is why we have trials and juries.

We'll see in court how happily this works out for the criminal conspirators at SLCUPD, Logan PD, and Utah highway patrol.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-05   12:13:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Tooconservative (#38)

This is why we have trials and juries.

Yeah. That's what I thought, too. But it looks to me like you already found him "guilty of a class A misdemeanor assault of medical personnel".

So I have to wait for a trial and jury, while you're free to immediately find him guilty of assault before he's even been charged.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-05   12:23:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: misterwhite (#41) (Edited)

But it looks to me like you already found him "guilty of a class A misdemeanor assault of medical personnel".

Me and 99.9% of America.

Good luck finding a jury for this one.

And it is like a bad joke to hear you, of all people, try to feign concern over presumption of innocence. We do have some pretty good video here, not just vague or inaccurate initial reporting and questionable eyewitnesses.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-05   12:28:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Tooconservative (#43) (Edited)

Good luck finding a jury for this one.

Good luck finding a prosecutor who won't be Nifong'd.

"And it is like a bad joke to hear you, of all people, try to feign concern over presumption of innocence. We do have some pretty good video here, not just vague or inaccurate initial reporting and questionable eyewitnesses."

And what does the video show? Everyone being polite and reasonable -- right up to the point where she refuses to allow him to do the blood draw. He lawfully places her under arrest for obstruction and she hysterically runs away and resists arrest. He takes her outside and places her in the car.

Yet you and "99.9% of America" actually believe that he is guilty of a class A misdemeanor assault of medical personnel? If so, then I give up on our legal system. I've already given up on y you. The other 99.9% of the people are simply ignorant of the facts because they've been lied to.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-05   12:47:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: misterwhite (#45)

Good luck finding a prosecutor who won't be Nifong'd.

The prosecutors should worry more about the reaction of voters if they fail to prosecute effectively or stage a phony show trial.

And what does the video show? Everyone being polite and reasonable -- right up to the point where she refuses to allow him to do the blood draw. He lawfully places her under arrest for obstruction and she hysterically runs away and resists arrest. He takes her outside and places her in the car.

You have crossed into the realm of outright lying.

She did not run away. He lunged at her, pinned her arms behind her back cruelly, and forced her out of her workplace (as responsible head nurse of a burn unit). And it looked like he was trying to break her arm as he manhandled her and spoke to her in a very angry way.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-05   13:06:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Tooconservative (#46)

She did not run away. He lunged at her

He said, "We're done. You're under arrest." She then backed away from him and started screaming. She resisted arrest.

"And it looked like he was trying to break her arm"

What a drama queen. Emphasis on "queen".

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-05   13:16:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#50. To: misterwhite (#48)

I can tell you're disappointed that he didn't just pull a gun and shoot that Confederate nurse.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-05 13:24:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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