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Title: Arrested Utah Nurse Had It Coming
Source: Saily Caller
URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/04/arrested-utah-nurse-had-it-coming/
Published: Sep 4, 2017
Author: Gregg RE, Associate editor
Post Date: 2017-09-04 18:49:15 by misterwhite
Keywords: None
Views: 15994
Comments: 123

The near-universal outrage surrounding the arrest of Alex Wubbels, the Salt Lake City nurse who was arrested July 26 for refusing to let police officers draw blood from an unconscious crash victim, empowered Wubbels and her attorney to threaten legal action against the police on CNN’s “New Day” on Monday. At the very least, Wubbels says, she’d like to “re-educate” the police department on proper procedure.

Prospective students are advised to steer clear of Wubbels’ courses. Despite reams of inaccurate reporting on the incident, Wubbels was likely legally wrong to obstruct the police officer. The case is a much closer one than it appears.

In a widely-seen video documenting her arrest, Wubbels calmly tells a police officer, Jeff Payne, that hospital policy permits the police to draw blood from patients in only three instances: when the patient consents, when the patient is under arrest, or when the police officer has a warrant.

After a hospital administrator tells Payne he is making a “mistake” by insisting he has the right to obtain the blood, Payne arrests the nurse, who howls her way outside of the building and proceeds to put the “salt” in Salt Lake City.

The hospital’s policy does not have the force of law, even if the local police department agreed to its terms. And crucially, the policy overlooks a well-established exception to the warrant requirement: Police simply do not need a warrant if exigent circumstances justify an urgent search and seizure of evidence. The imminent loss of blood evidence, which would be useful in a drunk-driving case, qualifies as a potentially exigent circumstance.

A quick hypothetical. Let’s say you’re watching an unlikely UCLA comeback in the peace and quiet of your own home on the day before Labor Day, when suddenly your neighbor bursts through your front door with a pile of drugs in his hands. You hear police sirens in the background, and your neighbor says, “They’re coming for me!”

As your neighbor busies himself by tossing his cocaine into your toilet, the doorbell rings, and the police request to come inside. They’ve seen your neighbor running into your house with what they suspect are drugs.

“A-ha,” you say. “I have a policy. No police in my house without my consent, or a warrant, or unless I’m under arrest.”

The police would be justified in pushing you aside – even breaking your door down if necessary – to get to your bathroom. As long as a reasonable person would conclude that evidence is in imminent risk of destruction, the police can enter your home for the limited purpose of preventing that destruction.

If you actively impeded their access to the bathroom, you would likely find yourself at least temporarily detained. (Wubbels was only detained for approximately twenty minutes).

In its reporting of this incident, The New York Times falsely claimed that “the United States Supreme Court ruled that the police do not have the right to draw blood in drunk driving investigations without a warrant.”

But the case the Times cites, Missouri v. McNeely, does not stand for that proposition at all. The court explicitly held in McNeely that some drunk-driving cases could permit warrantless blood draws.

“When officers in drunk-driving investigations can reasonably obtain a warrant before having a blood sample drawn without significantly undermining the efficacy of the search, the Fourth Amendment mandates that they do so,” the Court wrote. “Circumstances may make obtaining a warrant impractical such that the alcohol’s dissipation will support an exigency, but that is a reason to decide each case on its facts….”

There are some more complicated questions at play here. The police are on far shakier ground if they demanded the nurse to draw blood for them, as opposed to the police drawing the blood themselves. But the video suggests that the police wanted to draw blood here.

“If she interferes in any way with me getting the blood drawn, she needs to be arrested,” an officer says early on in the video. And The Washington Post has reported that Payne is a trained police phlebotomist, meaning that he is sent to hospitals to collect blood from patients and check for illicit substances.

But the coverage of this incident has focused so much on outrage that outlets cannot agree on even this basic factual issue. CNN has reported that the nurse “refused to let police officers draw blood.” The New York Times reported that the nurse was arrested after “refusing to draw patient’s blood.” News outlets cannot even agree on who was going to draw the blood.

Officer Payne is now on paid administrative leave. The chief of the Salt Lake City police department has said he is “alarmed” and “sorry.” There is talk of lawsuits and criminal investigation. The mayor of Salt Lake City has called the arrest “completely unacceptable” and apologized.

These are moves are necessitated not by the law, but public relations. Wubbels says in the video that “you can’t put me under arrest.”

Unfortunately, and only because she is a sympathetic nurse up against a faceless Officer Payne in the YouTube era, she may have been right.

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#2. To: misterwhite (#0)

Author: Gregg RE, Associate editor

Are you altering your sources? Where did it say that he was an associate editor?

The page says "Gregg Re, Freelance Writer".

A quick look at his history shows that he used to post a lot of stories there but that this is his first story there since May 2013.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-04   19:57:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#2)

If you haven't already, you should read the comments. This dimwit is getting absolutely roasted.

kenh  posted on  2017-09-05   9:27:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: kenh (#5)

If you haven't already, you should read the comments. This dimwit is getting absolutely roasted.

I did read them as well as the comments at YouTube on their videos and a few other sites that covered this story. And I read a lot of them too.

I'd say that comments that support for the nurse and hate on the cops is about 1000:1. If even that.

This is one of those stories that starts out very small but quickly grows legs, really completely out of proportion to the incident itself. It has, as they say, struck a nerve.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-05   9:42:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tooconservative (#6)

I'd say that comments that support for the nurse and hate on the cops is about 1000:1. If even that.

Ask any one of those 1000 what happened and they'd say the cop tried to force her to draw blood and when she told them it was against hospital policy to do so, they had her arrested. That's the power of fake news.

Hell, if that were true, even I would be on her side.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-05   10:33:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#11)

Ask any one of those 1000 what happened and they'd say the cop tried to force her to draw blood and when she told them it was against hospital policy to do so, they had her arrested. That's the power of fake news.

Hell, if that were true, even I would be on her side.

The majority seem to grasp the facts pretty well.

It is obvious that you are trying to pretend this is just a hullabaloo by ignorant mobs on the internet to gin up an anti-police scandal.

But they aren't that ignorant of the facts, even if you think there is some advantage in pretending that they are.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-05   10:44:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative. misterwhite (#14)

Utah nurse who was arrested says officer was on a 'warpath'

Alex Wubbels, the Utah nurse who was arrested for refusing to draw blood from an unconscious patient in July, recounted to ABC News how she still feels "not safe" since returning to work and believes the detective who arrested her was on a "warpath."

Police bodycam footage from the July 26 incident instantly sparked a national outcry when it was released last week.

In the video, Salt Lake City Detective Jeff Payne is seen squaring off against Wubbels, who was working the night shift on the burn unit at Utah University Hospital. That night a man named William Gray was taken to the hospital after suffering severe injuries from a car crash.

Wubbels said she tried explaining to Payne that she wouldn't allow Gray's blood to be drawn unless he was under arrest or there was a police warrant.

When Wubbels defended the hospital's policy, buttressed by a 2016 Supreme Court ruling citing that warrantless blood draws are a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment, she was rebuffed.

Deckard  posted on  2017-09-05   11:12:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#19)

Alex Wubbels, the Utah nurse who was arrested for refusing to draw blood from an unconscious patient in July,

Really? She was arrested for refusing to draw blood from an unconscious patient? Is that what happened, or is that what you read?

And what Supreme Court ruling are you referring to?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-05   11:18:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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