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Title: John Deere 3033R or TYM 394 tractor/loader?
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Published: Sep 1, 2017
Author: sneakypete
Post Date: 2017-09-01 22:13:12 by sneakypete
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The first tractor I bought was too little,so I made up for that by buying one WAAAY too big the second time. Now I am trying to make up for those two mistakes by buying one that is "just right". I have it tentatively narrowed down to either a 31 HP JD 3033R with a cabin with ac and heat,or a 39 HP TYM394 with a cabin with ac and heat. Everybody knows what a JD is,but the TYM is made in South Korea by Korea's largest tractor company that has been in business for about 60 years. They have only been building tractors for export since about 2014 now,but prior to that they made a lot of "Badge" tractors for other companies as well as components. Both the JD and the TYM use Japanese diesel engines and the same transmissions. Both are 4 wheel drive "Compact Utility Tractors",and my primary use for the one I get will be to cut fire breaks in the fields around my house,and to strip cars,spread gravel around my house and outbuildings so fire can't reach them,and to move parts cars around the yard. I have 8 acres,but have no intention of keeping it all cut down short. Somebody sets fire to it every few years anyhow,so that's why I want/need to maintain a firebreak. One house burning down is enough. Based solely on price and power,the TYM 394 is the clear winner,being about 7 grand cheaper than the JD,as well as having better reviews. The only complaints I can find on the web about the TYM were about minor things like light switches failing,but having TYM mail them the parts under warranty. The JD is made in Mexico,and it seems like it is,or was,plagued by poor or incorrect assembly to the point where it only got 3 out of 5 stars on the review boards. The last comment I could find was a couple of years old,so they may have corrected these problems by now. To counter this,I have a JD dealer only 40 miles away,and the closest TYM dealer is about 250 miles away. JD has an excellent service reputation,but the TYM dealer network in the US is so new not much is heard about it. Both weigh between 3,000 and 3500 lbs. I can get the TYM with the cab and loader for $22,900,and the JD is $29,500. Both are now offering zero percent financing for up to no money down for 48 months,or 60 months with 10 percent down,or 84 months with 20 percent down. The JD dealer has already told me he can get me 84 months with zero down,and I have no reason to think I can't get the same deal with the TYM dealer. To sum it up,the TYM offers a sale price 7 grand cheaper than the JD dealer,but if the tractor needs any warranty work I am going to have to load it on my trailer and drive 250 miles to drop it off,and then make that 500 mile round trip again to bring it home when it's fixed. The JD dealer offers a superb established dealer and parts network for warranty work,and if it is something major and I have to take it to him,I am only looking at a 80 mile round trip Anybody have any experience or knowledge of the reliability of the 2016-2017 JD 3033R tractor with the D160 loader? How about any of the 2016-2017 TYM's? BTW,if any of you are close to a Case dealer,visit his lot and view his compact utility tractors. They are pretty much identical to the TYM tractors of the same size,with the biggest difference seeming to be the decals. It even has a plaque riveted to the rear of the chassis that says "Made in South Korea". Modify message
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#1. To: sneakypete (#0)
You might want to check with local equipment rental places and see what they're using.
I remember when the Next Big Thing was supposed to be the Russian tractors that were being imported in the late Nineties. Now you never hear of them at all. About 7-10 years ago, you started seeing ads and hearing about Mahindra tractors. Now you don't hear or see much at all even though they supposedly have 3 U.S. plants making small tractors. Mahindra is, BTW, an Indian version of General Motors. Now you found this TYM outfit from South Korea that have almost no track record at all. There is a better-known SKorean outfit: There are also small Japanese tractors sold around the world, called Kubota tractors. Another Jap outfit, Yanmar, sells small tractors and has an American factory in Georgia and they build their own diesel engines. I notice that most of those TYM tractors are using Yanmar's diesel engines. In the past, they've used Iseki engines and even John Deere and Kubota engines. TYM originally was a Korean clone of Japan's Iseki tractors (their John Deere). Tong Yang Moolsan was founded in 1951, originally for the Movie and trade business. It wasn't until 1973 that the Farm Machinery Factory was established. The company also manufactures cigarette filters, imports newspapers and magazines, manufactures stainless steel flatware (dinnerware) and other items.[1] TYM has production capacity of 10,000 tractors, 7,000 Combine harvesters and 15,000 Rice Transplanters per year.[2] You also should consider resale value in 5 years or so. The Deere is far more likely to retain its value longer so even if you pay an extra $7K up front, you'll get at least half of that back if you sell in 5 years. I bet you can't say that for any of the competitors, including Case. Don't underestimate the marketing value and resale value of green paint. These foreign tractor companies may be a decent deal if you have a dealer close by and/or one of their factories are nearby (nearly all of the factories are in southern states BTW) and they seem to have the strongest dealer networks near those factories. You are not near any of them, I think. Unless you spent a lot of money on your big current tractor, are you sure you can't just keep using it? You can keep it running in parts and fuel for quite a while for what it would cost you to trade it for a new JD or TYM.
The nearest "local" equipment company uses Kubota's. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Resale is of no real concern to me. I won't live long enough to worry about it,and don't care what my estate gets out of it. I'm leaving everything to Feline Hope and Juvenile Diabetes anyhow. What I AM seeing these days are complaints from buyers of the smaller JD Mexican-made tractors,and have searched the internet can only find minor complaints from TYM owners,and even then they say it is so minor they wouldn't mention it if they had anything else to complain about. These foreign tractor companies may be a decent deal if you have a dealer close by and/or one of their factories are nearby (nearly all of the factories are in southern states BTW) and they seem to have the strongest dealer networks near those factories. You are not near any of them, I think. I guess that depends on how you define "close". I can drive to one dealer and be back home the same day. The US factory that assembles them is in the middle part of NC,and I live in the east,so getting parts quickly shouldn't be a problem. As far as that goes,all the common parts (filters,switches,electronic modules,etc,etc,etc) I would need could be bought at the local John Deere dealer because they both use Yanmar engines. I have no doubt there will be more dealers next year and the year after,providing nobody nukes South Korea between now and then. Koiti is a better known name,but TYM has not only been supplying Koiti and the Indian tractor with parts,but have been making tractors in SK for 60 years now,and you can bet your bippy they have the backing of the SK government because of all the potential money they can bring in. Truth to tell,I suspect they made the compact tractors for CASE. I have looked at one closely,and the only real difference I see is the decals are different. The Case even has a plate riveted to the chassis that states,"Made in South Korea". BTW,some of the TYM tractors use Mitsubishi engines. Unless you spent a lot of money on your big current tractor, are you sure you can't just keep using it? Because I primarily need a tractor to cut marsh grass to create and maintain a fire break around my property,and the 345D is two wheel drive and weighs 9,000 lbs. Guess what happens when I drive it into the marsh? Plus,if I keep the 345D,when it needs repairs I can either pay the Ford/New Holland mechanic 250 bucks a hour to drive over here to diagnoise the problem,drive 40 miles back to his shop to get the parts,and drive back here to fix it,and then drive back to his shop once it's done. This won't be a problem with either the JD or the TYM. Both come with 6 year warranties. Either that or once again buy new 16 inch E load range radial tires for my 5 ton equipment trailer so I can haul it myself,which means I can't sell my 4x4 3/4 ton diesel pu because a half-ton can't haul that load. Or more correctly,a half ton can't keep that load on the road or stop that load. If I get rid of the 345D,I can put new 15 inch load range C tires on my equipment trailer,and it will haul anything I own. This is a big deal because tires today are trash,and every 4 or 5 years they need to be replaced even if they have zero miles on them. My 4x4 diesel pu currently sells for more than I paid for it 6 or 7 years ago,so now would be the time to sell it. Truth to tell,I can probably get enough out of it on a quick sale to almost pay for the new 39 HP TYM. I wouldn't,though. I'd pay off some other bills and bank it. No reason to spend cash if you can get financing at a zero percent interest rate. I used to keep the tall grass cut with a bush hook and a swing blade,but that was 40 years ago. Now I am so feeble that even cutting it with a weed whacker is so slow the first part I cut needs to be cut again by the time I cut the last part. I need to be able to cut it all in a hour and then go on about doing my other stuff. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Maybe you ought to shop for a small Case IH tractor too. You'd get a more local dealer, probably with mechanics who have at least a passing familiarity with them. I doubt that either John Deere or Case make their own small tractors, I think they contract out their designs to get small tractor makers to build the little tractors for them using commodity parts on the global market. They only build the big tractors at their main factories. Ah, I am familiar with the whole hell-on-earth of getting tractors stuck in swamps. Ugh. Sucks even more when you have no one to help you pull it out. But I used to float through ours on my old John Deere B, a light little tractor. Ah, now you're adding in the details that seem crucial to your decision making. You didn't mention these before. Maybe you need to try to find some other local TYM owners, to get some idea of their experience. You do read mentions that the plastic on them is cheap and breaks, that some of the electrical switches on some models are crappy, etc. Not all TYM owners are happy campers but probably a majority of them making comments in the last 5 years online seem fairly content with their purchase, more so if they have a local TYM dealer to fall back on. I've only seen a few nightmare TYM tractor stories and I'm not sure those could be verified as anything more than some competitor spreading FUD about the TYM brand. Are you planning for a simple bucket on the front, or one with a grapple fork or what? Maybe that will influence your choice. You mention that you move a lot of stuff around. How about an affordable rear blade for maintaining your road? Do you have or need a snowblower for winter to keep that road clear? You shouldn't let yourself be isolated by snowdrifts.
Then I would be buying a TYM,but almost paying John Deere prices for it. Maybe you need to try to find some other local TYM owners, to get some idea of their experience. You do read mentions that the plastic on them is cheap and breaks, that some of the electrical switches on some models are crappy, etc. Yes,but I have also read a LOT more identical comments about the John Deere's. Are you planning for a simple bucket on the front, Yes,that's all I need. I'll use it to spread gravel around the base of my workshop and house,and where I park my cars and trucks,and then just use it to pull engines out in the yard or move stuff around. You can never go wrong having a loader on a tractor. Once you've had one,you wonder how you ever managed without it. How about an affordable rear blade for maintaining your road? Even though I am the only house on this road,it is a state-maintained road,so that's not a problem. I'll probably get a box blade so I can grade gravel and dirt in the yard,and to help work as a counterweight when working the bucket. Box blades make convenient places to chain a cast iron engine to for ballast. Snow isn't a problem,either. I mostly stay home when it snows. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Probably because there are 20-30 times as many JDs out there than these no-name foreign brands that cleverly operate under so many different names and keep changing those brand names regularly.
John Deere,made in Mexico using Japanese engines. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I think you've already made up your mind. You want to like the TYMs and dislike the JDs. Yep, you've already decided. You're just digesting that decision, thinking twice. I saw you got more replies over at 4um to your thread there.
I don't dislike JD's. What I dislike is paying several thousand dollars more for a tractor that won't perform as well as the TYM. If there were a TYM dealer within 40 miles,I would have never even visited the JD dealer. I was hoping to get some responses from people who had actually bought and operated TYM tractors,who could maybe give me some direct insight into reliability and parts availability. Now that I know they use the same common maintenance parts as the the JD's,Case,and other popular American tractors,I'm not worried about parts availability. So,yeah,unless the JD dealer gives me a VERY nice trade in offer on my old 345D,I will be buying the TYM next week. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Yep, I thought so. No surprise. You had been posting like a man who had made up his mind and was just mulling that decision a bit before taking the plunge. You'll have to regale us with some tales of your TYM tractor, conquering marshes and such.
Pete, I am not familiar with the TYM tractors. My own experience with tractors, I have a MF 340 4WD, and a Kubota BX2300 4WD. I occasionally rent a small New Holland from a friend of mine. I have no complaints about any of them. The MF I bought used. the Kubota is really just a mower, 25 HP Diesel. My neighbor has a larger Kubota, and a Case. He is happy with all. Since you seem to like the TYM, get the dealer to let you contact some of his local customers, and see how they like theirs, and if they are happy with his service. Let us know what you end up doing. Good luck !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Well,the dealer offers a 30 day return policy if you don't like it,providing you don't turn it over or something. He will allow you a full refund on your contract,and let it apply to any other tractor he sells,either cheaper or more expensive. He also sells LS,but MYT provided a of the parts used on LS tractors before they started building export models,so I don't see LS as having a bright and shiny future unless they can come up with another supplier. They provided Mihanda and Koish (spelling?) with parts,too,and it looks like they provided Case with ALL of their compact tractors. The only thing I see on the smaller Case tractors that is different than the compact TYM tractors is the decals of the names and model numbers. Cases even have a plate riveted to the rear of the chassis that says "Made in South Korea". In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Ok,boys,girls,and undecideds,I pulled the trigger on the TYM 39 HP 4x4 tractor with a 6 foot bushhog,quick detach bucket,cab,ac,heat,radio,power steering,hydro trans,and box blade for right at 26k. It comes with a 6 year warranty,and uses the same drivetrain as similar sized New Holland,John Deere,M-F,etc,etc,etc tractors. It's supposed to be delivered either Friday or Monday. I thank you all for your advise,but in the end I just had to go with the tractor 5 grand or more cheaper than any of the comparable tractors that size. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Sounds sweet with those accessories. You'll have to post a review for us after you get a chance to use it some. Did they take a trade-in for your bigger tractor or will you sell it separately after the new tractor satisfies you?
5 grand or more cheaper Perhaps most of the savings come from being assembled in the country were the parts are made, rather than importing parts and assembling them here, and then slapping a Made in USA sticker on it? I guess what I'm really asking is, are those other brands mostly comprised of Korean parts? Congratulations Pete. When you get it, post some pictures of your new "toy "
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Ever see this Twilight Zone episode?:
I think the only part actually made in the USA is the "Made In USA" sticker. Those are actually printed here in the States. Enterprise!
Yes. That is one of my most favorite episodes !!!
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
They would have taken it,but they are in the business of selling new tractors,not used ones,and were talking less than wholesale for trade-in purposes. They even told me this and suggested I sell it myself. I didn't really have to trade it to make the deal,so I still have it and will put it up for sale next spring when I have time to clean it up some to make it more attractive. From what I have seen it should sell for somewhere between 7 and 12 grand. Nothing at all wrong with it mechanically,and it will pick 3500 lbs up 10 feet off the ground. It's just too big and it's not 4 wheel drive. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Most of the parts are made in South Korea. TYM is the oldest and biggest tractor company in South Korea,and has been making tractors for more than 60 years. They make a lot of stuff for the LS,Mahindra,and several other imported tractors use loaders and other items made by TYM. AFAIK,all the TYM tractors use either Yanmar or Mitsibushi engines,both designed and manufactured in Japan. I THINK the hydro transmissions are Japanese,too. TYM tractors in this country are actually made in Wilson,NC. Or that is the final assembly point,anyhow. Corporate headquarters is somewhere in the northeast,which might as well be a foreign country. At any rate,getting parts for them is simple. Especially the common maintenance parts because Yanmar filters,hoses,etc,etc,etc can be bought at any John Deere dealer. Since the SK government needs and wants TYM to succeed because of all the money it will bring into their economy,you can bet they are supporting TYM's expansion into the North American and other markets,too. This ain't a company that is going to go away. In fact,if I were young enough to care and had any money to invest,I would be buying TVM stock. Right now it's like buying Toyota stock in the US in 1970. It has nowhere to go but up. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Here is a link to anything you might want to know about the tractor I just bought,including photos of it. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Roger that!
Thanks Pete for the link. Looks good. Sounds like you bought a lot of tractor with a lot of features for the money. I bought my Massie back in 1999, with a 6 ft bush hog, used for around $22,000. Don't remember how much is was new. I like my Massie, but you obviously got a lot more than I did. Again, congratulations & enjoy !! I don't know what your terrain is like, mine is hilly. My first summer, I was bush hogging, backed up on a slight incline, and bent my upper link. Now when using the bush hog, I don't use an upper link. I use a short piece of chain. I can still lift the hog, but when I back up, it can go up, and is flexible and not bend. Works good for me. An old farmer friend showed me to do that. Anyway, congratulations and enjoy your new equipment !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Liberator, thanks for posting. I really like that old man. I remember seeing him in a number of older western's. Always plays the same type of character !
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
#2. To: sneakypete (#0)
KIOTI is the North American trade name for South Korea’s DaeDong Industrial Co. KIOTI compact tractors first appeared in North America in 1986 but the brand wasn’t established until 1993 in North Carolina. DaeDong produces tractors, combines, transplanters and tillers, but in the U.S., KIOTI is known for its compact tractors. Tong Yang Moolsan is based in Kangnam-gu, Seoul, South Korea, and is sometimes referred to as TYM. Early tractors were based on Iseki designs, from Japan. They have built tractors for other companies and been sold under various brands, including: SAME and Nibbi of Italy; Tong Yang; TYM; and Mahindra. In the United States, they have been imported under the Scorpion and Millennium brand names. In addition, TYM has some tie-ups with Case IH and SAME to either build, assemble or distribute their tractors in South Korea.
#3. To: hondo68 (#1)
You might want to check with local equipment rental places and see what they're using.
#4. To: Tooconservative (#2)
You also should consider resale value in 5 years or so. The Deere is far more likely to retain its value longer so even if you pay an extra $7K up front, you'll get at least half of that back if you sell in 5 years. I bet you can't say that for any of the competitors, including Case. Don't underestimate the marketing value and resale value of green paint.
#5. To: sneakypete (#4)
Truth to tell,I suspect they made the compact tractors for CASE. I have looked at one closely,and the only real difference I see is the decals are different. The Case even has a plate riveted to the chassis that states,"Made in South Korea".
Because I primarily need a tractor to cut marsh grass to create and maintain a fire break around my property,and the 345D is two wheel drive and weighs 9,000 lbs. Guess what happens when I drive it into the marsh?
If I get rid of the 345D,I can put new 15 inch load range C tires on my equipment trailer,and it will haul anything I own. This is a big deal because tires today are trash,and every 4 or 5 years they need to be replaced even if they have zero miles on them. My 4x4 diesel pu currently sells for more than I paid for it 6 or 7 years ago,so now would be the time to sell it. Truth to tell,I can probably get enough out of it on a quick sale to almost pay for the new 39 HP TYM. I wouldn't,though. I'd pay off some other bills and bank it. No reason to spend cash if you can get financing at a zero percent interest rate.
#6. To: Tooconservative (#5)
Maybe you ought to shop for a small Case IH tractor too. You'd get a more local dealer, probably with mechanics who have at least a passing familiarity with them.
#7. To: sneakypete (#6)
Yes,but I have also read a LOT more identical comments about the John Deere's.
#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)
Probably because there are 20-30 times as many JDs out there than these no-name foreign brands that cleverly operate under so many different names and keep changing those brand names regularly.
#9. To: sneakypete (#8)
#10. To: Tooconservative (#9)
I think you've already made up your mind. You want to like the TYMs and dislike the JDs.
#11. To: sneakypete (#10)
If there were a TYM dealer within 40 miles,I would have never even visited the JD dealer.
So,yeah,unless the JD dealer gives me a VERY nice trade in offer on my old 345D,I will be buying the TYM next week.
#12. To: sneakypete (#0)
#13. To: Stoner (#12)
Since you seem to like the TYM, get the dealer to let you contact some of his local customers, and see how they like theirs, and if they are happy with his service.
#14. To: Tooconservative, Stoner, hondo68, ALL (#13)
#15. To: sneakypete (#14)
#16. To: sneakypete (#14)
the same drivetrain as similar sized New Holland,John Deere,M-F,etc,etc,etc tractors
#17. To: sneakypete (#14)
#18. To: Stoner (#12)
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
#19. To: hondo68 (#16)
Perhaps most of the savings come from being assembled in the country were the parts are made, rather than importing parts and assembling them here, and then slapping a Made in USA sticker on it?
#20. To: Liberator (#18)
#21. To: Tooconservative (#15)
Did they take a trade-in for your bigger tractor or will you sell it separately after the new tractor satisfies you?
#22. To: hondo68 (#16)
Perhaps most of the savings come from being assembled in the country were the parts are made, rather than importing parts and assembling them here, and then slapping a Made in USA sticker on it?
#23. To: Stoner (#17)
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tym-tractors.com/tractors/t394-hst/
#24. To: Stoner (#20)
#25. To: sneakypete (#23)
#26. To: Liberator (#18)
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