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Title: "Best Critique of Evolution You Will Ever Hear"
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Published: Sep 1, 2017
Author: PNN
Post Date: 2017-09-01 17:33:27 by A K A Stone
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I have been saying this for decade or more. Evolution only works with in species and there has never been a species to species change.

Faith is faith. They claim science when in fact it is no different than religious faith. Creationism should be taught right along with evolutionism because both are just as plausible as the other.

Justified  posted on  2017-09-01   18:54:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Justified (#1)

The problem with creationism is that it pretty much cannot be proven. I've considered it a "default" theory, which can be embraced when no other theory, such as evolution, is found to be satisfactory.

If one is to embrace creationism because of lack of satisfactory proof of evolution, then a logical question is, if proof is a requirement to believe, then where is the proof of creationism?

The narrator asks if evolution observable, demonstratable, repeatable and quantifiable, but those requirements are completely lacking in creationism. To be fair, one must judge both by the same measure, and creationism most certainly fails on all 4 points.

So far as I know, evolution theory does have more to explain than has been explained thus far, namely how a new species can arise that has more genetic coding than the species it supposedly evolved from. On the other hand, science is claiming that much unused genetic material exists in plants and animals. For example, chicken DNA supposedly has coding for growing teeth. I would consider DNA coding for teeth in chickens to be evidence in support of evolution. I also read that Bananas, have about 50% more DNA material than us humans do, in spite of being a far simpler form of life.

I do understand why it is important for bible-believing Christians that creationism be the explanation for the origin of life, and it's because it's the only way man (us) can have an immortal soul existence. If all life is simply a complex biochemical reaction, and man evolved from animals, then we are the same as animals and face the same fate as animals. We live and die, gone forever. A very bleak thing indeed.

My personal understanding and outlook on the matter allows both for evolution and an immortal soul existence, without any conflict whatsoever. The human race may well have evolved from apes and lower life forms, including bacteria without compromising us as immortal soul entities. And frankly it makes a huge amount of sense. And, Ironically, it does allow for both evolution and intelligent design. I consider it possible that it is a combination of the two.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-02   0:15:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pinguinite (#5)

I do understand why it is important for bible-believing Christians that creationism be the explanation for the origin of life

I think that the main reason is that if Genesis is taken as allegory and not as literal fact, then the whole rigidly literalist structure of fundamentalist theology comes crashing to the ground. For if Genesis is allegory, then the Gospels, or Paul's letters, or anything else on which they build their religion may also be allegory, and they lose the ability to insist on the literal application of those things they like that run contrary to sentiments of other Christians.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-05   8:59:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#36)

I think that the main reason is that if Genesis is taken as allegory and not as literal fact, then the whole rigidly literalist structure of fundamentalist theology comes crashing to the ground. For if Genesis is allegory, then the Gospels, or Paul's letters, or anything else on which they build their religion is allegory

I think you lack the perspective of those who know without a doubt that God exists and that he does communicate with believers. God has told us in his word what he wants us to know, he gives us the bare bones, not every detail. Einstein summed it up well; I just want to know the thought of God, everything else is just the details.

Genesis tells us that God was active in creation and specifically had a purpose for man. You can say that is allegory if you want, but don't include Paul and the Apostles in your generalisation. These are people who understood far more than you do because they experienced it, and just maybe you should examine the old testament from the same perspective

paraclete  posted on  2017-09-05   9:21:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: paraclete (#37)

I think you lack the perspective of those who know without a doubt that God exists and that he does communicate with believers.

I broke my neck in a lake and was paralyzed and sank to the bottom drowning, alone. God reached down and healed my neck.

Later, God grabbed my face and talked to me.

I have seen the City.

I have had the Holy Dove dive into my face and disappear into my head in an explosion of light to drive off a visible demon that was physically attacking me.

Nobody on this earth has greater certitude of the existence of God than me.

You want to teach me with condescension, but you don't know what you are talking about. You simply believe what other men have told you, and they had no greater direct knowledge of God than I do - probably less.

So, if you want to talk about God, we can. But you just want to tell me what you believe about a book, and I'm not interested in what you believe about a book. I have my own beliefs about that book, and there is not one good reason on earth for ME to substitute MY experience and belief about it for that of anybody who doesn't know God as well as I do.

Now, if you'd like to come up off of your pulpit, way down there in the deep valley, and join me up here on the mountaintop, we can speak as equals. But if you're going to try to speak to me with authority, you are very much mistaken. I have more than you do on this matter.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-05   11:07:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Vicomte13 (#40)

You want to teach me with condescension, but you don't know what you are talking about. You simply believe what other men have told you, and they had no greater direct knowledge of God than I do - probably less.

You don't post as one who knows God personally so you want to know what I know, read my book Revival ~ a different perspective. I speak from personal experience and perspective, not from what men have told me

As to authority, let us study the Scriptures together and ask God to put it in perspective for us

paraclete  posted on  2017-09-06   22:32:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#71. To: paraclete (#70)

As to authority, let us study the Scriptures together and ask God to put it in perspective for us

The Scriptures are not the supreme authority. God is.

Somebody who has talked to God would know that instinctively.

I will study the Scriptures with you, if you want to, but there is no point in doing so if the pretense is going to be that the Scriptures are God. They are not. Certain of the Scriptures record the specific things that God said. THOSE are the authoritative parts of Scripture.

So, if we're going to study the Scriptures, let's cut to the chase and go specifically to the words spoken forth out of the mouth of God.

We can further telescope down to the essence of it all by noting that God said from Heaven, for everybody to hear: "This is my beloved son, listen to HIM." And he then said "Follow ME. I am the way and the truth and the light..."

So we needn't muck around with the parts of Scripture that are not spoken by God, and thanks to God's succinct command, we need only really focus on what Jesus said. He is the designated leader.

Truth is, if a theological position cannot be demonstrated by quoting Jesus directly, it's not worth bothering with. You can believe it if you want to, but I'm not interested.

We can fruitfully study the Scriptures together if we focus on Jesus. I'll do that. Anything else is a waste of time.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-07 10:45:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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