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Title: Video shows Utah nurse screaming, being dragged into police car after refusing to let officer take blood from unconscious victim
Source: The Salt Lake Tribune
URL Source: http://www.sltrib.com/pb/news/2017/ ... -blood-from-unconscious-victim
Published: Sep 1, 2017
Author: Pamela Manson
Post Date: 2017-09-01 10:16:28 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 2107
Comments: 25

A nurse says she was assaulted and illegally arrested by a Salt Lake City police detective for following a hospital policy that does not allow blood draws from unconscious patients.

Footage from University Hospital and officer body cameras shows Detective Jeff Payne and nurse Alex Wubbels in a standoff over whether the policeman should be allowed to get a blood sample from a patient who had been injured in a July 26 collision in northern Utah that left another driver dead.

Wubbels says blood cannot be taken from an unconscious patient unless the patient is under arrest, unless there is a warrant allowing the draw or unless the patient consents. The detective acknowledges in the footage that none of those requirements is in place, but he insists that he has the authority to obtain the draw, according to the footage.

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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Damn.......

I read more detail on the exchange on 4um.

That's a cop who needs to be a ex-cop ASAP.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-01   10:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

I read more detail on the exchange on 4um.

Yeah... I usually try to clean-up the html code before posting an article... but the Salt Lake Tribune had so much extra crap buried in the code that I just didn't have the emotional energy to cope with it today... so I just posted a short excerpt.

Willie Green  posted on  2017-09-01   11:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green (#2)

The video says it all. Though that's on top of the fact that the unconscious guy they wanted to draw blood from was a victim of the crash caused by the guy they were chasing.

It's a good case study of when a cop makes an arrest based on frustration and emotion rather than the law, and it's an arrest that makes the case of unjust police brutality. It's one thing to do this to someone walking down the street who does not obey a cop's command, whether just or unjust. Quite another to do it to an emergency medical worker who is just trying to do HER job. I expect the cop and police department will have a much, much harder time wiggling out of this one, especially when the guy the cop wanted blood from was not the guy who the police were pursuing.

I can only wonder what was going through the heads of the other cops present as this was going down.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-01   11:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Yeah... I'm normally on the side of law enforcement, but this violation is so flagrant, I can't imagine what the cop thought he was doing..

Willie Green  posted on  2017-09-01   11:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

"Video shows Utah nurse screaming, being dragged into police car after refusing to let officer take blood from unconscious victim

What's going on here? The other article said, "Nurse screams for help as she is arrested for saying she can't draw blood from unconscious patient"

The officer was certified to draw blood. The law says he can draw blood from the driver of any vehicle. She interfered and wouldn't allow him to do his duty. She was arrested.

What's the fucking problem here people?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-01   12:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Quite another to do it to an emergency medical worker who is just trying to do HER job.

What was HER job that she was trying to do?

Hospital policy says that SHE can't draw blood. No one was forcing her to draw blood. She interfered with a police officer who WAS authorized to draw blood. She was arrested for interfering with a police officer, and I doubt that interfering with a police officer was HER job.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-01   12:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#5)

What's the fucking problem here people?

The fucking problem is readily apparent, but you love cops so much that you can never see them doing anything wrong, ever.

It's not an exaggeration to say that if a cop went into a school and gunned down a classroom full of first graders, you'd argue it was justified.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-01   12:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#7)

The fucking problem is readily apparent

Yep. Ignorant posters like yourself. The law is on his side and you refuse to admit it. And when I point out your ignorance, you accuse me of justifying the execution of first graders.

You are one sick fuck.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-01   12:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#8)

You claim the law was on his side, but that is not established, and even if it is/was on his side in terms of entitling him to a blood draw, it does not necessarily mean the arrest was anywhere close to being warranted or justified.

You are one sick fuck.

Well, it seems that is your way of admitting defeat.

Thanks for playing. It was indeed entertaining.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-01   12:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#8)

This from the SLTrib article:

Porter, however, said “implied consent” has not been the law in Utah since 2007, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that the Constitution permits warrantless breath tests in drunken-driving arrests, but not warrantless blood tests. She stressed that the patient was always considered the victim in the case and never was suspected of wrongdoing.

Ever occur to you that if the cop had implied consent to draw blood, that a warrant or consent would be a needlessly redundant requirement?

And the line about the draw being to protect the victim is, of course, complete hogwash, as it could only be used against him, not in favor of him.

It may also interest you to know about the accident victim:

Payne’s report identifies him as 43-year-old William Gray, a reserve officer in the Rigby, Idaho, Police Department, who suffered burns during a July 26 crash in Cache County.

Gray is a truck driver when he is not serving as a reserve police officer, according to the Idaho State Journal.

He's one of your guys.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-01   13:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#10)

Porter, however, said “implied consent” has not been the law in Utah since 2007,

Porter is wrong. Read the law yourself:

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title41/Chapter6A/41-6a-S520.html?v=C41-6a 6a-S520_1800010118000101

"Ever occur to you that if the cop had implied consent to draw blood, that a warrant or consent would be a needlessly redundant requirement?"

Yes it would be.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-01   13:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#9)

it does not necessarily mean the arrest was anywhere close to being warranted or justified.

She was obstructing. Of course it was justified.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-01   13:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#11)

As for the law you linked to, maybe. I've no time to dig further, but it does not appear to place any obligation on medical staff.

I did read that the police are undergoing more training as a result of this incident. And it's plainly clear that at least in the court of public opinion, the cop is being severely slammed for his actions. I guess you don't care about whether cops relate well to the general public, but I guess that's a good thing for you as in any contest between medical personnel in the business of saving lives and cops doing their "duty", public opinion will go to medical people every time.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-01   13:51:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Willie Green (#0)

Piggy should be executed for his crime.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-01   13:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#8)

You would have gassed Jews if told to do so. That is a fact.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-01   13:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite (#13)

but it does not appear to place any obligation on medical staff.

Other than get out of the way.

"public opinion will go to medical people every time."

Especially when that public opinion is formed after reading misleading and inaccurate articles such as the above.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-01   14:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)

You would have gassed Jews if told to do so. That is a fact.

Even without being told to do so, right?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-01   14:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Willie Green (#0)

It didn't matter when the USSC ruled that slaves were property, it doesn't matter that they ruled there is such a thing as "implied consent". The government has no business collecting pictures, fingerprints, blood, dental records or DNA without express permission. They make no one safer with these laws or interpretations, they do though make us less citizen and more slave.

Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2017-09-01   14:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#17)

No you would have to be told. If they say it's the law you would do it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-01   14:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: misterwhite (#16)

Especially when that public opinion is formed after reading misleading and inaccurate articles such as the above.

The article may or may not be accurate, but no.

People are generally much more influenced by emotion than they are facts. Give them a logical or factual reason why they should do something, and they will respond only marginally at best. Give them an emotional reason, and they will respond in force.

And the cops own cam recording awards the win on emotional basis completely to the nurse.

Police departments are supposedly serving the public, and to do that, they really do need the public trust, and events like the one recorded of a nurse who is arrested simply for doing her job the best she knows how, does everything to destroy that public trust, and absolutely nothing to build it up.

This happened over a month ago. It does seem no charges have been filed against the nurse, and the nurse has not filed any suit against the officer or department. The cop in question has been reassigned to duties that do not involve this type of medical work, and cops have received additional training as a result of the incident.

At present, I continue to maintain that this cop should not be a cop, that the event shows a cop simply acting out of emotion to wield authority against a person doing her best to do her job the right way. And anyone such as yourself that feels this was the right way for the cop to proceed is freaking loony.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-01   14:53:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: misterwhite (#17)

Cop boy needs to reap what he sows. You should live in Iran.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-01   15:01:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Cop boy needs to reap what he sows.

Cop boy was operating within the law. People are pissed because he wasn't kind and gentle and oh so understanding.

F**k 'em.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-01   19:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#22)

Cop boy was operating within the law.


Baloney... he didn't have a warrant to take the blood sample...

Willie Green  posted on  2017-09-01   20:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Willie Green, Officer Dracula (#0)

The nurse is lucky that they didn't take a blood sample while they had her in the cop car.

Give the cops a vampire kit, and they think they're Dracula!

And after twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on His head

Hondo68  posted on  2017-09-01   20:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Willie Green (#0)

Criminal investigation coming =>

SLC mayor, police chief apologize for officer who arrested nurse; criminal investigation to follow

Police department places two officer on leave as internal investigation continues.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/01/salt-lake-city-police-apologize- for-officer-handcuffing-nurse-who-refused-blood-draw-of-unconscious-patient/"

kenh  posted on  2017-09-01   23:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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