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Title: ‘Drive By Shooting’: Cop Deploys Taser from Car Window at Boy on ATV—Killing Him
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URL Source: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/driv ... -boy-on-atv-killing-him_082017
Published: Aug 31, 2017
Author: Jack Burns
Post Date: 2017-09-01 09:57:22 by Deckard
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Views: 4857
Comments: 25
This photo of Demond Grimes on his ATV was taken one day before he died. (Photo: Supplied by Grimes family) Warren, MI — Under no circumstances is it ever okay to fire a weapon, lethal or not, at an unarmed child who is controlling an ATV—especially if you are a police officer and you are also in a vehicle. However, that is exactly what happened in Warren, Mich. last weekend and now an aspiring high school freshman is dead because of it. Michigan State Police Officer Mark Bessner allegedly fired his taser from his police cruiser, striking 15-year-old Damon Grimes. Grimes then, according to his family’s lawyer, either died immediately from the 50,000 volts surging through his body, or died from the subsequent seizure which left him unable to safely control his all-terrain-vehicle (ATV) which crashed into the back of a pickup. Bessner was apparently trying to get the teen to get off of the roadway and thought it would be a good idea to deploy his taser from one moving vehicle to another (ATV). Since Grimes died as a result of the officer’s actions, it now seems the Michigan State trooper may not have properly thought through all of the ramifications of his actions before deploying the deadly taser. Grimes’ family is suing the Michigan State Police for $50 million. The family’s lawyer, Geoffrey Fieger, refused to name the officer at the time of the press conference (was still waiting on confirmation) but said Bessner conducted a “drive-by shooting” of the young teen. Fieger likened the officer’s actions to that of a “cowboy” wildly out of control for deploying his taser through the window of his cop car. He said Bessner’s actions were out of line with departmental policy and lectured the department at the press conference saying: Under no circumstance should any police officer ever shoot like a cowboy out of his vehicle, out the window and shoot the young man who’s driving the vehicle. Bessner has been in trouble before for the way he has deployed his taser on other members of the public. Seeming more like a tyrant than an officer of the peace, the Free Beacon described his two prior lawsuits involving his use of the department-issued taser. Bessner has been sued in the past for using excessive force. Since 2013, two different civil lawsuits, both involving Tasers, have been filed against the 43-year-old for excessive force. The first, which was filed in 2013 in U.S. District Court in Detroit and settled a year later, alleges that Bessner “repeatedly struck” and “gratuitously kneed” an unarmed plaintiff, who was never charged with a crime. The second case, filed in Wayne County Circuit Court in 2015, alleges that Bessner Tased the plaintiff on “multiple and continuous occasions with the specific intent of inflicting pain,” including after the plaintiff was in handcuffs. Flanked by Damon’s mom and dad, Fieger said the person solely responsible for the young teen’s death is the trooper. The family’s lawyer described the federal civil rights lawsuit under the Section 1983 of the Civil Rights Act and accuses the officer of “gross negligence” under Michigan law. The attorney indicated the cause of death is still unknown as a second autopsy is still being conducted.“Absolutely mind-boggling stupid” is how Fieger characterized the “drive by shooting” of a “child on an ATV shooting him with a taser”. Damon’s sister Dezanique Grimes described her late brother as, “an awesome kid, a gentleman, a sweetheart, a lovely young man.” She said, “He was getting good grades, he wasn’t out here doing anything wrong – but what all teenagers have been doing lately – riding those two wheelers or four wheelers. It’s not fair, he’s only 15 and now his life is gone over a bike.” Grimes died last Saturday, August 26th, after Bessner attempted to get the boy to direct his ATV off of the roadway. At the time of their son’s death, the family believed the officer involved in the incident actually rammed their son with his cruiser, sending the ATV careening into the back of the pickup truck. Now, after presumably examining the police report, they now know Bessner killed their son by deploying his taser from one moving vehicle to their child who was alive and well until his run-in with police. Delivered by The Daily Sheeple We encourage you to share and republish our reports, analyses, breaking news and videos (Click for details). 
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
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Yeah! He done rammed him! Ran him down! Rammed him with his cruiser! Dats what happened. No? He was tased? Yeah! He done tased my boy! Tased him! Tased him with his taser! Dats what happened! Now gimme my $50 million and I'll feel better.
And all along I thought the young teen was responsible because he disobeyed the cop and refused to get off the roadway. "“He was getting good grades, he wasn’t out here doing anything wrong" I changed my mind. It was the parent's fault because apparently they told their son that it was okay to drive an ATV on the road.
From another article: "The troopers activated their emergency lights and siren, but the ATV driver refused to stop. The troopers pursued the ATV east on Rossini, and as the ATV approached Gratiot Avenue, the driver attempted to drive off the roadway onto the sidewalk, but crashed into the rear of a pickup truck." The Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office said Grimes died from blunt head trauma. (No helmet, I guess.) "Since Grimes died as a result of the officer’s actions ..." Whoa! Did the taser even hit the kid? Do we know? Or should we just assume it did and get all riled up before the investigation is complete?
Now gimme my $50 million and I'll feel better. Bessner was apparently trying to get the teen to get off of the roadway and thought it would be a good idea to deploy his taser from one moving vehicle to another (ATV). I hope they win the suit. This cop is a danger to society. I'd call you a racist, but you don't care what color the citizens are that police indiscriminately kill. Pretty good shot, huh? A taser from one moving vehicle to another, hitting a small target. Oh, wait! Did he hit him with the taser? Do we know? Or are you just assuming that?
We know they only kill blacks.
The yout' had no license, no right to be on the roads at all. I can't see any license plate on that ATV either. The trooper probably should have just run him off the road and arrested him, after the inevitable crash or when he got home. Michigan statutes The cop should sue the kid's family. And their other children need to be picked up by children's services before they end up dead too. BTW, the photo shows the yout' on the ATV with no helmet. Maybe it isn't so surprising he ended up dead when he plowed into something like a pickup. I think his estate should sue his parents for inadequate supervision.
Wow! If I didn't know you were being sarcastic, I'd congratulate you on your thorough understanding of the case. I mean, I could have written your post.
But ya didn't, did ya? : ) I know rural areas where you see kids from 8-12 driving ATVs and pickups on county roads all the time. But that is not in a city. The local deputy and sheriff look the other way unless they start to get wild. Their parents supervise this pretty closely until they get a school permit at age 14, I think. And any town is a lot different than some scarcely traveled rural dirt roads. This town, Warren, is the third largest in Michigan and is Detroit's biggest suburb with a population of 134K. So this is not some dusty little village by any means. Well, now you've got me wanting to know The Rest Of The Story. My weakness. Accident and crime reporting in this country is really lousy. You never just get the whole story in one big gulp.
You get the story they want to tell. Way back when, the stories would never show sympathy for the wrongdoer. This story would have been written such that any father could show it to his son and say, "See what can happen when you don't obey the law and try to run from the police?" Now the message is, "See how this family can make $50 million?" As though the kid was just walking down the sidewalk, minding his own business, when The Michgan State Police came along and caused his death. Sickening.
Good questions, but it seems the main issue is that the cop used a taser from a moving vehicle. My question is, "Did that cause the crash?" If so, I think the cop is screwed. But he may have missed and the kid crashed because his ATV hit the curb and he lost control. If that's the case, then the cops walk and the parents deserve zilch.
It depends. Is the use of firearms and tasers against the law or is it just contrary to department policy? He might be disciplined for violating department policy but that wouldn't be a criminal proceeding at all. We need to know the law and the circumstances of the kid's joyride better. I don't see anything in the article that says it is illegal for a cop to shoot a gun or a taser from a moving vehicle. What if you had some jerk driving around in a big truck with run-flat tires (that couldn't be easily disabled or run off the road) with a handgun just blasting away at pedestrians or other drivers? Local cops couldn't just shoot him because it is contrary to policy? I think not. I think the cop violated policy, not the law. At least, that's my impression. Again, the article leaves a lot of gray space.
You've seen what tasers do. Tasing someone on a bicycle, motorcycle, ATV or through the window of a car is bound to have disasterous effects. I mean, that's a no-brainer. Supposedly a taser was used, but did it hit the teen? That's my question.
Uhhhhh,no. If the boy hadn't been knowingly illegally riding the atv on the highway and creating a dangerous situation for everybody else driving that day,none of this wouldn't have happened. Should the cop be brought up on felony stupid Manslaughter charges? You bet your ass! Actual prison time in a REAL prison,and nothing less. Damon’s sister Dezanique Grimes described her late brother as, “an awesome kid, a gentleman, a sweetheart, a lovely young man.” She said, “He was getting good grades, Uhhh,he was a "rising freshman at age 15" AND getting good grades? Maybe that was because it was the 2nd or 3rd time he was taking the same classes,and state law would only accept his death as an excuse to not pass him? ...he wasn’t out here doing anything wrong – Well,yeah,he was. He was a moving traffic hazard,and a danger to everyone on the highway. He was also breaking the at leastt 3 laws. No drivers license,no license plates,and driving a vehicle that couldn't maintain the minimum speed. but what all teenagers have been doing lately – riding those two wheelers or four wheelers. It’s not fair, he’s only 15 and now his life is gone over a bike.” And HE shares the blame for that,along with the cop. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
He was responsible for all that and more,but HE was NOT responsible for that lunatic cop tazing him. The cop has to bear the weight for that. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
More than that. ATV's are expensive,and 15 year olds can't afford to buy them. It's not even legal for a 15 year old to buy one even if he has the money. Then they failed to supervise him properly,making THEM complicit in his death. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
How can it NOT be against the law to taze someone unless you are using it to protect yourself or someone else from imminent danger? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
It is either against the law or it isn't. I don't think it is. A PD or state patrol may set policy. That is different than the legislature enacting criminal laws on the same subject. There are so many things that can happen in real life that legislatures tend to stay away from micromanaging police decisions in a fluid enforcement situation. PD policy may be no use of firearms or tasers from a moving vehicle but that doesn't mean there is a law that forbids it. Because you can always have circumstances on the street that legislators can't anticipate and where you have to give the officer some benefit of the doubt in using his own judgment. The legislators know this.
Mister white you are a sack of shit.
And I bet you also believed that the "gentle giant" had his hands up and was saying "Don't shoot". And that Zimmerman hunted down Trayvon and executed him. Stories change, don't they? And when they do, and I point it out, I'm a sack of shit, huh? Why don't you stay away from the board until you have something to add?
You must have your head up your ass if you believe that.
I do not see enough to form a firm opinion about what happened. It appears the cop fired he taser out the open passenger-side window. Whether he hit anything is not clear. The kid could have avoided the taser but, in doing so, drove into the back of a truck. As far as I can determine, the death has been ruled an accident. My best guess is that shooting a taser at someone operating a moving vehicle, in the absence of extreme exigent circumstance, would be reckless, and a resultant death likely to be manslaughter, unless justified. Did the yute's driving pose an imminent danger to others? USA Today Network Detroit Free Press Published 7:41 a.m. ET Aug. 29, 2017 Robert Allen and Ann Zaniewski, Detroit Free Press A lawyer says a Michigan trooper who fired his Taser at a teenager before the 15-year-old crashed an all-terrain vehicle and died had to make a 'split-second decision'. Aug. 31, 2017, at 6:46 p.m. [excerpt] [Richard Convertino, an attorney for Trooper Mark Bessner] released a statement Wednesday, saying the teen was evading arrest while driving recklessly in an urban area. "Trooper Bessner was forced to make a split-second decision under circumstances on the scene and at the moment, which was tense, uncertain and rapidly evolving," Convertino said. "We are fully cooperating with the ongoing investigation and trust the investigators will assess the facts objectively in light of the totality of the circumstances." Ann Zaniewski, Detroit Free Press, DETROIT, MICH. - The manner of death of a 15-year-old who was Tasered by a Michigan State Police trooper and crashed the ATV he was driving has been ruled an accident, according to the Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office. Damon Grimes of Detroit died from blunt force trauma to the head, said Lisa Croff, a spokeswoman for the office. Both the Michigan State Police and the Detroit Police Department are investigating the incident, which happened Saturday on Detroit's east side. "If something changes, if an investigation requires something to be opened up, things can be opened up," Croff said. "The (medical examiner's office) only looks at whether something was purposely done. As far as the medical exam right now, it looks to be an accident." According to state police, the trooper was said to be trying to stop Damon for recklessly driving the four-wheeled, all-terrain vehicle at about 5:30 p.m. State Police 1st Lt. Mike Shaw said it appears the trooper used the Taser on the boy from a patrol vehicle with the window rolled down. Shaw said it is a violation of policy for an officer to deploy a Taser from a moving vehicle. The ATV crashed into the rear of a pickup, police said. The trooper who was involved has been suspended.
As far as I can determine, the death has been ruled an accident. white correctly raised the same issues. Generally, an autopsy will reveal telltale puncture and electrical burn marks from a police-grade taser. We still don't know how much of a hazard the yute posed to the public (pets, kids, etc.). I dunno. What if the cop just pulled alongside and sounded an air horn or his loudspeaker, startling the kid into a crash? I think they would have to prove he hit the kid with the taser. And that should show up on an autopsy from puncture marks surrounded by a small electrical burn at the microscopic level, if not visible to the naked eye.
My thought is that a taser hit from a moving vehicle on a driver of a moving vehicle would likely rip clothes and skin. I do not imagine the cop car would stay within wire range as the kid came to a sudden stop. Assuming a missed taser shot, it would be difficult for the kid's counsel to show that the kid even knew he was shot at by a taser. That is certainly distinguishable from shooting him with a taser. A noise may startle him and could result in an accident. A taser would disable him and result in a certain loss of control of the vehicle. The driver would almost certainly fall off the vehicle if he didn't crash into something first.
I found a copy of the federal lawsuit on a Wordpress site here. I notice that the mother is "respectfully requests this Honorable Court enter judgment in his favor against Defendant and in an amount greatly in excess of Seventy-Five Thousand dollars ($75,000.00) exclusive of costs, interest and attorney fees." So the papers are reporting it as a $50M lawsuit. I see the mother is asking to net a profit of $75K at minimum. And they may just pay her off.
At the time of their son’s death, the family believed the of officer involved in the incident actually rammed their son with his cruiser,
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
Flanked by Damon’s mom and dad, Fieger said the person solely responsible for the young teen’s death is the trooper.
#3. To: Deckard (#0)
#4. To: misterwhite (#1)
Yeah! He done tased my boy! Tased him! Tased him with his taser! Dats what happened!
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#5. To: Deckard (#4)
Bessner was apparently trying to get the teen to get off of the roadway and thought it would be a good idea to deploy his taser from one moving vehicle to another (ATV).
#6. To: Deckard (#4)
I'd call you a racist, but you don't care what color the citizens are that police indiscriminately kill.
#7. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#0)
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NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT
Act 451 of 1994
So it seems the yout' was violating many laws and his parents obviously were not supervising him properly. As a result, the public and the police were put at risk from this thug-in-training terrorizing the spotted owls and little old ladies with his ATV Of Death. (b) A vehicle may be operated on a street or highway for a special event of limited duration and conducted according to a prea rranged schedule only under permit from the governmental unit having jurisdiction. A special event involving ORVs may be conducted on the frozen surface of public waters only under permit from the department.
(c) A farmer, employee of a farmer, or fam ily member of a farmer who is at least 16 years of age may operate an ORV on the ex treme right side of a roadway or highway right-of-way when it is not practicable to operate off that roadway or highway right- of-way. Such operation shall be limited to tr aveling to or from the farmer's residence or work location or field during the course of farming operations. An ORV shall not be operated pursuant to this subdivision during the period of 30 minutes before sunset to 30 minutes after sunrise, when visibility is substantially reduced due to weather conditions, or in a manner so as to interfere with traffic. The state transportation department and all of its employees are immune from tort liability for injury or damages sustained by any person arising in any way by reason of the operation or use of an ORV for the limited purposes allo wed under this subdivision. An operator of an ORV under this subdivision shall have attached to the ORV a flag made of reflective material. The flag shall extend no t less than 8 feet from the surface of the roadway and not less than 4 f eet above the top of the ORV. The flag shall be not less than 12 inches high by 18 inches long and not measure less than 100 square inches.
#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)
#9. To: misterwhite, Deckard (#8)
I mean, I could have written your post.
#10. To: Tooconservative (#9)
Accident and crime reporting in this country is really lousy. You never just get the whole story in one big gulp.
#11. To: Tooconservative (#9)
#12. To: misterwhite, nolu chan (#11)
Good questions, but it seems the main issue is that the cop used a taser from a moving vehicle. My question is, "Did that cause the crash?" If so, I think the cop is screwed.
#13. To: Tooconservative (#12)
Is the use of firearms and tasers against the law or is it just contrary to department policy?
#14. To: Deckard (#0)
Flanked by Damon’s mom and dad, Fieger said the person solely responsible for the young teen’s death is the trooper.
#15. To: misterwhite (#2)
And all along I thought the young teen was responsible because he disobeyed the cop and refused to get off the roadway.
#16. To: Tooconservative (#7)
So it seems the yout' was violating many laws and his parents obviously were not supervising him properly.
#17. To: Tooconservative (#12)
It depends. Is the use of firearms and tasers against the law or is it just contrary to department policy?
#18. To: sneakypete (#17)
How can it NOT be against the law to taze someone unless you are using it to protect yourself or someone else from imminent danger?
#19. To: misterwhite (#1)
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#20. To: A K A Stone (#19)
#21. To: misterwhite (#20)
#22. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite (#12)
We need to know the law and the circumstances of the kid's joyride better. ... I think the cop violated policy, not the law.
Detroit police investigate use of Taser on boy, 15, who was riding ATV
Robert Allen and Ann Zaniewski, State trooper's Tasing of boy, 15, focus of probe in Detroit
Published 12:12 p.m. ET Aug. 28, 2017
Updated 9:10 a.m. ET Aug. 30, 2017 Lawyer Defends Trooper Who Used Taser on Teen Who Died
Death of Tasered teen who crashed ATV ruled accident
WZZM 10:02 PM. EDT August 29, 2017
#23. To: nolu chan, misterwhite (#22)
I do not see enough to form a firm opinion about what happened. It appears the cop fired he taser out the open passenger-side window. Whether he hit anything is not clear. The kid could have avoided the taser but, in doing so, drove into the back of a truck.
My best guess is that shooting a taser at someone operating a moving vehicle, in the absence of extreme exigent circumstance, would be reckless, and a resultant death likely to be manslaughter, unless justified. Did the yute's driving pose an imminent danger to others?
#24. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite (#23)
I think they would have to prove he hit the kid with the taser. And that should show up on an autopsy from puncture marks surrounded by a small electrical burn at the microscopic level, if not visible to the naked eye.
What if the cop just pulled alongside and sounded an air horn or his loudspeaker, startling the kid into a crash?
#25. To: nolu chan (#22)
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