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Title: North Korea's antique airplane could be its most dangerous weapon yet
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/29/north-koreas-antique
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0 ... most-dangerous-weapon-yet.html
Published: Aug 29, 2017
Author: Lucia I. Suarez Sang
Post Date: 2017-08-29 14:38:56 by XDMAR
Keywords: None
Views: 1060
Comments: 12

Amid escalating tensions with the United States, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un tested out a seemingly laughable, but key part of his arsenal.

Footage recently emerged of North Korea paratroopers jumping out of what seems to be two 70-year-old Antonov An-2 transport aircrafts.

While the concept of Pyongyang using these Stalin-era planes seems far-fetched considering the nuclear weapons at its disposal, the aircrafts could be North Korea’s most deadly weapon. North Korea AN2 planes Expand / Collapse

North Korea State Media (An Antonov An-2 airplane, first flown in 1947, is part of Kim Jong Un's military arsenal.)

The dated aircraft raisesthe concern that they could be used to transport a nuclear bomb to be dropped quite easily without triggering any radar at any specific target.

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#1. To: XDMAR (#0)

The dated aircraft raisesthe concern that they could be used to transport a nuclear bomb to be dropped quite easily without triggering any radar at any specific target.

Because big lumbering World War II era metal bombers don't show up on radar?

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-29   15:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: XDMAR (#0)

The dated aircraft raisesthe concern that they could be used to transport a nuclear bomb to be dropped quite easily without triggering any radar at any specific target.

Stealth biplanes. Only problem is how to allow the pilot to survive the nuke blast. Either he flies over the drop target at a high altitude, in which case he could be spotted and shot down, or he comes in low and drops the bomb with a timer fuse, which runs the risk of the bomb being damaged on impact with the ground and failing to detonate properly.

Or you get suicide pilots, but it may be hard for a regime that preaches atheism to convince non-muslim Korean pilots to die for any cause.

But a concern for SK all the same.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-29   15:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

Because big lumbering World War II era metal bombers don't show up on radar?

These are bi-planes. They might be made of wood and canvas, in which case the only real radar sig footprint would be the engine. And the A-bombs too, if they are big enough, I guess.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-29   15:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

If the North Koreans decide to try, they can try. The trouble of course, is that if they succeed, they get nuked and wiped out. So what is the incentive to try? And if they get caught and shot down, they might still get wiped out. And then what is really the incentive?

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-29   15:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

If the North Koreans decide to try, they can try. The trouble of course, is that if they succeed, they get nuked and wiped out. So what is the incentive to try? And if they get caught and shot down, they might still get wiped out. And then what is really the incentive?

That's the case no matter what method of attacking with nukes they may employ.

The only incentive would be in the personal inclinations of Kim. If he's diagnosed with terminal cancer next week, then he may be more inclined to commit his country to a suicide attack. If he decided he liked the lavish lifestyle he enjoys more than his thirst for international attention as one who can stand up to the big bully United States, then he'd have less incentive.

The dangerous part about NK is that it seems one simple man there probably has the power to initiate a nuke strike on another country.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-29   16:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: XDMAR (#0)

And after twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on His head

Hondo68  posted on  2017-08-29   16:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#5) (Edited)

The dangerous part about NK is that it seems one simple man there probably has the power to initiate a nuke strike on another country.

Maybe he has that power.

But then again, he can't launch a missile or deliver a bomb himself. If he actually orders it, then the generals, ministers and family in the top circle realize that if they obey, their lives are all also at an end, because they know that the United States will nuke them in reply.

So they and their loved ones all die, OR they murder L'il Kim. I think they'll probably murder Kim instead of obeying him.

I'm trying to think of an historical example of a national government so completely fanatic that, faced with being conquered, there was not some portion of that government that didn't betray the leadership and surrender to the other side. I can't think of any. Hitler in his bunker at the end had no control over anything. Hitler DID order the burning of Paris prior to the German retreat, but the German general in command of the forces there refused to do it (HE didn't want to be hanged as a war criminal when the war was over.)

If Trump suddenly gave the order to launch today, would the military really obey him? I expect they would immediately arrest him and declare him insane, and then Congress and law enforcement would settle it.

A nuclear weapons launch from cold status would probably result in an immediate coup d'état, rather than obedience, even in the United States, as it would, I expect, in France or Britain or India. Russia - that's more inscrutable, but Russians have never been suicidal in the first place, so I expect that if Putin ordered an immediate nuclear strike on America, from a cold stop, as today (not a period of rising tensions), the military would remove him.

To obey such an order MEANS the immediate loss of one's own life and the lives of one's entire family - for what? To serve the will of a madman. In a World War situation, maybe, but from a cold stop I don't think there is any leader on earth who could successfully order a nuclear attack, at least not on the United States or Russia, without being immediately removed by the military he tried to command.

If Kim tries it, I guess we'll find out.

I don't think he'll ever try such a thing. You're right, if he has cancer and goes nuts he might. But if he actually gives the order I expect the North Korean generals will murder him on the spot and the order will never be carried out.

To carry out the order to commit a nuclear strike on the US is to commit suicide for one's self and one's family, and it takes quite a few people all to obey for it to happen. I don't think it could be done anywhere.

The Muslim terrorists - yes, they would do it if they could. But they're far too ignorant to ever invent a bomb themselves. The most likely nuclear event scenario would be Kim giving the bomb to Muslim terrorists to detonate in a place like New York. That's the real threat. But again COULD Kim really give a nuke to the terrorists, and there by nobody in that Korean chain of command, or the Muslim chain of command on the other side, not willing to break the chain? I doubt it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-29   17:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: XDMAR (#0)

Antonov An-2 transport aircrafts

Useful load with max fuel= 2,525 lbs. (3500 lbs with half fuel carried).

"Little Boy", dropped on Hiroshima, weighed 9,700 pounds. "Fat Man", dropped on Nagasaki, weighed 10,800 pounds.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-08-29   17:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: XDMAR (#0)

I for one shall welcome our North Korean overlords.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-29   19:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo68 (#6)

So kim has an escape plan but stealth antique planes, now there is an idea the military geniuses hadn't thought of

paraclete  posted on  2017-08-29   19:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

But then again, he can't launch a missile or deliver a bomb himself. If he actually orders it, then the generals, ministers and family in the top circle realize that if they obey, their lives are all also at an end, because they know that the United States will nuke them in reply.

So they and their loved ones all die, OR they murder L'il Kim. I think they'll probably murder Kim instead of obeying him.

It's likely that such a coup would be in the best interests of the USA, Japan, and S. Korea, assuming the new leader would be sane, reasonable and had the best interests of NK at heart (as opposed to holding his own personal interests above that of NK).

Given the very poor economy of NK, compared to SK, it's apparent that Kim does not care about NK's well being.

Whether a nuke attack order would be obeyed by NK's military or result in a coup (it's either one or the other) is the question. A major challenge of any despot is to remain in power and not be assassinated, and Kim, along with his father, have done a great job at that so far, and his violent executions of perceived threats certainly are intended to instill fear in would-be insubordinates. We can hope the military would revolt at any order to do a nuke attack, but it's not guaranteed.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-29   21:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#11)

No, it's not guaranteed. Nevertheless, the best thing to do in the face of Kim is to publicly ignore him. Secretly, send in special forces to wreak havoc, but publicly, ignore him. Don't go nuts and make expensive deployments - it's not really necessary. If he goes to war, take him out. If he doesn't, let him rage in impotence.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-29   23:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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