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(See my book, The Revelation: A Historicist View and turn to the section on the seven last plagues, Plague# 4). I very plainly said that hurricanes and major weather events including floods would wax much worse in 2017. Katrina was just a dress rehearsal, folks. But Thank God I was fully prepared because like I advised everyone on earth to do, I am completely stocked up on distilled water and can goods, and mosquito spray, and (provided the police give me my gun back) on bullets also. And with all this water to breed in, I'm pretty sure the Aedes from Hades will be here next. And I am making that prediction once again, right here, right now. So get ready folks for much worse before the 7 last plagues are mitigated. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 113. #4. To: interpreter (#0) Moreover, as with all of the other major events of the last 25 years, I predicted it. (See my book, The Revelation: A Historicist View and turn to the section on the seven last plagues, Plague# 4). I very plainly said that hurricanes and major weather events including floods would wax much worse in 2017. Katrina was just a dress rehearsal, folks. Did you predict this? As I recall, you predicted something significant happening during the total eclipse. Maybe the flooding was that prediction, only you were a bit ahead of God's timetable. Again. And of course, failed to state where it would happen, along with what exact "it" was going to be. Petty details, I know, but still..... It's pretty safe to say that there is some kind of climate record set somewhere in the USA every year, whether it's temperature, rainfall, snowfall or any one of a hundred other metrics. If you want bragging rights about making predictions, you'll have to start naming places, events AND times. For example: I predict your house (a place) will be illuminated by the sun (an event) tomorrow. It will happen sometime around dawn (time). Can you top that one? Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-28   3:04:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Pinguinite (#4) (Edited) Actually, as you yourself admit, Harvey did in fact form during the eclipse, or perhaps a day afterward. But there is no law against being a day or so ahead of God's timetable. Because in no Bible prophecy anywhere in the Bible does any prophet state the exact date and/or exactly how a prophesied event would take place, and neither did Jean Dixon or Hal Lindsay or Nastrodamus or anyone else you care to name, so why in the hell do you say the utterly ridiculous things you say? But I come very very close to the exact day unlike anyone else in history. And if you want to read exactly what I said, then buy my book and turn to page 71. And there is no way in hell your prediction is going to come true. I dont have a house because I choose to be homeless like Jesus was. That takes the cake (the raspberry one). interpreter  posted on  2017-08-28   3:42:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: interpreter (#5) Actually, as you yourself admit, Harvey did in fact form during the eclipse, or perhaps a day afterward. But there is no law against being a day or so ahead of God's timetable. Oh, so you are indeed claiming credit for predicting the hurricane as part of the eclipse! I looked it up and Harvey was already a named storm before you posted your prediction. But I guess you like to give yourself as much leeway as required to make yourself right. Certainly you need to. And there is no way in hell your prediction is going to come true. I dont have a house because I choose to be homeless like Jesus was. That takes the cake (the raspberry one). Oh, well, when I said "house" I certainly didn't necessarily mean you were a home owner. One's "house" could be an apartment, or if you are indeed homeless, it would/could mean the bridge overpass or cardboard box you would be sleeping under. Anything you sleep under could be considered one's "house", even if it's a tree, so my prediction stands true. See how that works? I can do what you do too. Here's the deal. You made a decision to come on to a public forum and make extremely open ended predictions, like how someone might be born during an eclipse, which on any day in a country the size of the USA happens about 11,000 times, with or without any eclipse. That's a voluntary step on your part that makes you open to criticism. And that's simply what you're getting. We all have our quirks, and yours is a need for attention. Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-28   10:42:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Pinguinite (#13) Oh, so you are indeed claiming credit for predicting the hurricane as part of the eclipse! I looked it up and Harvey was already a named storm before you posted your prediction. But I guess you like to give yourself as much leeway as required to make yourself right. Certainly you need to. Oh, well, when I said "house" I certainly didn't necessarily mean you were a home owner. One's "house" could be an apartment, or if you are indeed homeless, it would/could mean the bridge overpass or cardboard box you would be sleeping under. Anything you sleep under could be considered one's "house", even if it's a tree, so my prediction stands true. See how that works? I can do what you do too. Thanks for confirming that Harvey did indeed form during the eclipse. But I personally (and probably most of the world) did not find out about it till the next day because the news media was focused on the eclipse mostly and also the threat of nuclear war, and (as far as the channels I was watching) never once mentioned the itsy-bitsy teenie weeny tropical depression that formed in the Gulf that day. "Oh, well, when I said "house" I certainly didn't necessarily mean you were a home owner. One's "house" could be an apartment, or if you are indeed homeless, it would/could mean the bridge overpass or cardboard box you would be sleeping under. Anything you sleep under could be considered one's "house", even if it's a tree, so my prediction stands true. See how that works? I can do what you do too." Well, I live on a boat, and at the present moment in time, I have no earthly idea if its still there or not, so I may very well have to sleep under a bridge at some point, but right now there are numerous homeless shelters being set up by the state and FEMA, et al, for all the homeless people displaced by Harvey so I am not worried about it at all. No matter what happens to my boat, I thank God that I and all my relatives and neighbors and friends are still alive and kicking. And as for a baby being born during the eclipse, what I actually said was a baby born in 2017 (possibly during the eclipse) will live to be 1000 years old. That narrows down your "11,000 babies" remark considerably dont you think? interpreter  posted on  2017-08-28   12:51:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: interpreter, Pinguinite (#17) [Pinguinite #13] Oh, so you are indeed claiming credit for predicting the hurricane as part of the eclipse! I looked it up and Harvey was already a named storm before you posted your prediction. [interpreter #17 to Pinguinite #13] Thanks for confirming that Harvey did indeed form during the eclipse. The eclipse occurred on August 21st. Harvey reached tropical storm status on August 17. It degenerated to a tropical wave on August 19th. It redeveloped by August 23rd, regained tropical storm status on August 24th, and became a hurricane on August 24th. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey The eighth named storm, third hurricane, and the first major hurricane of the 2017 Atlantic hurricane season, Harvey developed from a tropical wave to the east of the Lesser Antilles, reaching tropical storm status on August 17. The storm crossed through the Windward Islands on the following day, passing just south of Barbados and later near Saint Vincent. Upon entering the Caribbean Sea, Harvey began to weaken due to moderate wind shear and degenerated into a tropical wave north of Colombia early on August 19. The remnants were monitored for regeneration as it continued west-northwestward across the Caribbean and the Yucatán Peninsula, before redeveloping over the Bay of Campeche on August 23. Harvey then began to rapidly intensify on August 24, regaining tropical storm status and becoming a hurricane later that day. While the storm moved generally northwestwards, Harvey's intensification phase stalled slightly overnight from August 24–25, however Harvey soon resumed strengthening and became a category 4 hurricane late on August 25. Hours later, Harvey made landfall near Rockport, Texas, at peak intensity. nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-28   15:56:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: nolu chan (#19) Thank you for that info. So if I understand your post correctly, Harvey existed, but was still a tropical wave on August 21st? That's probably why I never heard of it until after the eclipse. I rest my case. But I think its even more impressive that I predicted it before I even heard of it. Barry M interpreter  posted on  2017-08-28   17:05:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: interpreter (#21) So if I understand your post correctly, Harvey existed, but was still a tropical wave on August 21st? That's probably why I never heard of it until after the eclipse. I rest my case. It was a Tropical Wave until the 24th, three days after the eclipse. Harvey was reported as a Tropical Storm on the 17th. It degenerated to a Tropical Wave on August 19th, two days BEFORE the eclipse. It redeveloped on August 23rd, two days AFTER the eclipse, intensified to a Tropical Storm on August 24th, three days AFTER the eclipse, and later on August 24th, intensified into Hurricane Harvey, three days AFTER the eclipse. From two days before the eclipse, until three days after the eclipse, Harvey failed to be intense enough to qualify as a Tropical Storm. nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-28   17:36:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: nolu chan (#23) (Edited) I do have to say that you do your homework/research before you post. But I still will have to dispute one of your points, and I suspect it is because you live in New York City or somewhere and I live right here in the epicenter of this event. And I heard on the TV a few minutes ago that it is the 3rd 1000-year storm in 3 years. Think about that for a minute. Storms that used to occur once every thousand years are now occurring at least once a year (as I predicted in my book). Anyhow, if my memory serves me correctly, your timetable is not quite correct. The tropical wave once called Harvey strayed down to Texas and began to regroup and strenghthen a bit during the eclipse, and within a day or so began to be mentioned for the first time ever on the local weather stations. And within a day or two it became a a full-fledged tropical storm, and then within a day or so it became full-fledged hurricane, and the next day it became a category 4 hurricane. It all happened pretty quick and surprised a lot of people, and I myself was very fortunate to be able to buy some gasoline for my car before all the gas stations ran out of gas, and then after a hell of a lot of rain that night (at least 14 to 15 inches in every city in the area) everything was closed the next day and everything is still closed. It all happened very quickly. And about 15 to 20 thousand people in low-lying areas have been rescued so far, often from their roofs, and total rainfall from the storm is expected to be 50 inches before its over, causing another 15 to 20 thousand to seek to be rescued. But only about half of the 911 callers are able to get through, and many many people have drowned. So there you have it, straight from the epicenter of the latest plague that God/ Mother Nature has sent upon the Earth. And anyone who knows anything about history knows that most of the earth's earthshaking events have occurred during an eclipse. Everyone used to know that, but today that rather obvious fact (if there ever was one) is very often poo-pooed for some reason. Barry Midyet interpreter  posted on  2017-08-28   22:21:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: interpreter (#28) I do have to say that you do your homework/research before you post. But I still will have to dispute one of your points, and I suspect it is because you live in New York City or somewhere and I live right here in the epicenter of this event. I have not called New York home for more than 50 years. I do not live any where near it. I live much closer to you. I heard on the TV a few minutes ago that it is the 3rd 1000-year storm in 3 years. Think about that for a minute. Storms that used to occur once every thousand years are now occurring at least once a year (as I predicted in my book). Yeah, not to mention how may times the press has declared the Crime of the Century, the Trial of the Century, the Fight of the Century, and so on and so forth. When is the last time anyone saw a news story about the fourth, fifth, or sixth biggest storm of the century? Anyhow, if my memory serves me correctly, your timetable is not quite correct. I assuredly did not go by memory. The tropical wave once called Harvey strayed down to Texas and began to regroup and strenghthen a bit during the eclipse, and within a day or so began to mentioned for the first time ever on the local weather stations. As I posted previously at #19, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey The eighth named storm, third hurricane, and the first major hurricane of the 2017 Atlantic hurricane season, Harvey developed from a tropical wave to the east of the Lesser Antilles, reaching tropical storm status on August 17. The storm crossed through the Windward Islands on the following day, passing just south of Barbados and later near Saint Vincent. Upon entering the Caribbean Sea, Harvey began to weaken due to moderate wind shear and degenerated into a tropical wave north of Colombia early on August 19. The remnants were monitored for regeneration as it continued west-northwestward across the Caribbean and the Yucatán Peninsula, before redeveloping over the Bay of Campeche on August 23. Harvey then began to rapidly intensify on August 24, regaining tropical storm status and becoming a hurricane later that day. While the storm moved generally northwestwards, Harvey's intensification phase stalled slightly overnight from August 24–25, however Harvey soon resumed strengthening and became a category 4 hurricane late on August 25. Hours later, Harvey made landfall near Rockport, Texas, at peak intensity. That description conforms to the NOAA/NHC weather notices, of which I quoted one in its entirely and linked to nine more, indicating the storm status of the alerts, and the dates. And within a day or two it became a a full-fledged tropical storm, and then within a day or so it became full-fledged huricane, and the next day it became a catagory 4 hurricane. It became a tropical storm on 17 August. It fell below a tropical storm on 19 August. It became a tropical storm again on August 24. It became a Hurricane on 25 August. It is a matter of record. It all happened pretty quick and surprised a lot of people, and I myself was very fortunate to be able to buy some gasoline for my car before all the gas stations ran out of gas, and then after a hell of a lot of rain that night (at least 14 to 15 inches in every city in the area) everything was closed the next day and everything is still closed. It all happened very quickly. It was lower than a tropical storm from 19 Aug to 24 Aug. The eclipse was on 21 Aug. The storm started to regain strength on the 23 Aug and resumed tropical storm status the next day. Later that day, it became a hurricane for the first time. For precise times, see the official times cited below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey Harvey was downgraded to a tropical depression at 21:00 UTC on August 19; six hours later, based on continued data from a reconnaissance aircraft, it was declared an open tropical wave. Early on August 20, the NHC began monitoring the remnants of Harvey for redevelopment. Although the effects of strong upper-level winds and dry air were expected to limit development in the near-term, conditions were expected to become more conducive to tropical storm and hurricane conditions when the disturbance entered the northwestern Caribbean Sea, and especially in the Bay of Campeche. Despite an increase in convective organization, the disturbance still lacked a well-defined center as it approached the Yucatán Peninsula. While traversing inland, satellite images and surface observations indicated that the circulation became better defined. A reconnaissance aircraft investigating the remnants of Harvey around 15:00 UTC on August 23 indicated that it once again acquired a well-defined center, and the NHC upgraded it to a tropical depression accordingly. The system began to slowly consolidate amid an increasingly favorable environment, attaining tropical storm intensity by 06:00 UTC on August 24. Later that morning, Harvey began to undergo rapid intensification as an eye developed and its central pressure quickly fell. By 17:00 UTC, the storm was upgraded to the third hurricane of the season. Slight entrainment of dry air slowed the intensification process, however, by the next day, Harvey was able to quickly strengthen into a major hurricane by 19:00 UTC. Further deepening occurred as the storm approached the coast of Texas, with Harvey becoming a Category 4 hurricane at 23:00 UTC, based on reconnaissance aircraft data. Around 03:00 UTC on August 26, the hurricane made landfall at peak intensity at Rockport with winds of 130 mph (215 km/h) and an atmospheric pressure of 938 mbar (27.7 inHg). Those times are UTC. Texas is on CDT and is UTC -5. So there you have it, straight from the epicenter of the latest plague that God/ Mother Nature has sent upon the Earth. And anyone who knows anything about history knows that most of the earth's earthshaking events have occurred during an eclipse. Well, this event did not occur during an eclipse. It was not even of tropical storm strength from two (2) days before the eclipse, to three (3) days after the eclipse. I'm older than you and have lived through no earth shattering events or plagues during any eclipse, but I do recall Carol and Edna. In 1954, the East Coast was especially naughty and Hurricane Carol (1-minute sustained wind, 115 mph) formed on August 25th and dissipated on September 1st. Then Hurricane Edna (1-minute sustained wind, 125 mph) formed on September 2nd and dissipated on September 15th. Carol caused 72 fatalities. Edna directly caused 20 fatalities, and 9 indirect. nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-28   23:50:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: nolu chan (#30) Well, with you I am giving up (for now) because as usual you have done much much research and I have done none, but that is simply because I do not have any time to do any research on anything because I am in the middle of the biggest storm in recorded history. All I can do is go by memory and by my eyes and ears and what I am seeing and hearing even as I type this. 9 trillion gallons of water have been dumped on Southeast Texas, and Rescuers have now rescued over 3000 people from the floodwaters and that figure is expected to double before its over. And it is very evident that it all started with an eclipse, and any knowledgable student of history can tell you that most all earthshaking events were fulfilled during, or started during an eclipse. Do you want me to list them for you? If that is what you want, I can do that. And as for 1000-year floods, a few years ago, it was a 500-year flood occurring every year. Now it is a 1000-year floods occurring every year. For God's sake, how much worse do things have to get before you become a believer and realize that God is unhappy with the US, and is punishing us just as He did with the Israelites?? We must repent and rejoin the Paris agreement for starters. Then we must repeal the 1965 Immigration Reform Act that let Muslims in. Then we must overturn the Same Sex Marriage decision and the Roe vs Wade decision for two other starters. Then, and only then, will we see the seven last plagues begin to be mitigated, and receive some relief. interpreter  posted on  2017-08-29   1:42:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: interpreter (#31) Well, with you I am giving up (for now) because as usual you have done much much research and I have done none, but that is simply because I do not have any time to do any research on anything because I am in the middle of the biggest storm in recorded history. Everything is bigger in Texas. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/441964/The-biggest-storm-in-history-batters-the-Philippines The biggest storm in history batters the Philippines A MONSTER 235mph “super typhoon” confirmed as the ­biggest storm in history was last night feared to have claimed thousands of lives. By Nathan Rao PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sat, Nov 9, 2013 Typhoon Haiyan ripped into the Philippines, forcing millions to flee their homes in terror. The storm’s astonishing power ­unleashed giant 45ft waves, flooding coastal areas including tourist destinations with 16in of lashing rain. [snip] Can't touch those monster storms in the Pacific. All I can do is go by memory and by my eyes and ears and what I am seeing and hearing even as I type this. I don't know why your memory is all you can go on, when my post that you are responding to linked and quoted the official weather center data. Harvey failed to be a Tropical Storm from two days before the eclipse to three days after the eclipse. That may be inconvenient for the eclipse caused it theory, but that is the breaks of Naval air. And it is very evident that it all started with an eclipse, and any knowledgable student of history can tell you that most all earthshaking events were fulfilled during, or started during an eclipse. Do you want me to list them for you? If that is what you want, I can do that. It is not obvious at all that earthshaking events almost always occur during an eclipse. And as for 1000-year floods, a few years ago, it was a 500-year flood occurring every year. Now it is a 1000-year floods occurring every year. For God's sake, how much worse do things have to get before you become a believer and realize that God is unhappy with the US, and is punishing us just as He did with the Israelites?? We must repent and rejoin the Paris agreement for starters. You do realize that claims of more than one 1,000 year storm every thousand years is an irrational claim. If there were such a storm every day, it would be a daily storm. Weather happens. God does not cause storms, or touchdowns, or make footballs carom off goalposts to punish naughty kickers. Nor does He deflate Tom Brady's balls. And honest to Buddha, spare us the Paris agreement. Then we must repeal the 1965 Immigration Reform Act that let Muslims in. Then we must overturn the Same Sex Marriage decision and the Roe vs Wade decision for two other starters. Then, and only then, will we see the seven last plagues begin to be mitigated, and receive some relief. I'm not sure why the Immigration and Nationality Act, amendments of 1965 has such high priority. I'll provide the content and you can identify the most seriously offending provision(s). Well, heck, I uploaded to Scribd and their computer flagged it for a copyright violation. It's a Federal law, and a dumb computer program. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-79/pdf/STATUTE-79-Pg911.pdf 79 Stat. 911, H.R. 2580, P.L. 89-236 (3 Oct 1965). Immigration and Nationality Act, amendments. I would be for overturning (not reversing) Obergefell and Roe. Those were issues best left to the States and of questionable Federal jurisdiction. However, it should be noted that this would result in States making up their own mind, and many had permitted abortion and gay marriage. Texas would be free to do its thing, and California could do its thing. Advocating Federal jurisdiction is advocating for Federal government authority to decide the issue for all. Look where that got us. Then, and only then, will we see the seven last plagues begin to be mitigated, and receive some relief. Oh noes, not this plague thing again. Why would an all-loving god punish all for the whimsical acts of the nine? The good of the many outweighs the whimsy of the few. nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-29   4:00:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: nolu chan (#32) (Edited) As for the rest of your post, I am glad that we fully agree on some things, i.e, the need to overturn Obergefell and Roe. As for Roe, if we cannot succeed in overturning the whole thing, we definitely need (at the minimum) to overturn the part that allows partial-birth abortions and third trimester abortions when the baby is fully formed and fully capable of living outside the womb. That is murder (taking the life of another human being), pure and simple and there can be no debate, and no if ands or buts. As for your last remark, God is NOT an all-loving God. He hates a lot of things, and a lot of people (like ISIS for example), and we are repeated told in the Bible about the need to fear God and His wrath. And despite your view of things, God often punishes a whole nation or city, etc. for the sins of a few. He is like that sometimes if He gets mad enough, and we must constantly fear Him else we too will feel His wrath. interpreter  posted on  2017-08-29   13:26:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: interpreter (#41) As for Roe, if we cannot succeed in overturning the whole thing, we definitely need (at the minimum) to overturn the part that allows partial-birth abortions and third trimester abortions when the baby is fully formed and fully capable of living outside the womb. Can you please QUOTE the provision in Roe that you believe "allows partial-birth abortions and third trimester abortions when the baby is fully formed and fully capable of living outside the womb"? That is murder (taking the life of another human being), pure and simple and there can be no debate, and no if ands or buts. Murder is a man-made legal construct. If something is legal, it is not murder. Any act that does not meet the legal definition of murder, is not murder. If Roe were overturned, states such as California could, and likely would, have lawful abortion on demand. As for your last remark, God is NOT an all-loving God. He hates a lot of things, and a lot of people (like ISIS for example), and we are repeated told in the Bible about the need to fear God and His wrath. And despite your view of things, God often punishes a whole nation or city, etc. for the sins of a few. Your God may be a hateful, wrathful, avenging God. You are free to believe whatever you want. Resort to your invisible friend when your attempt at rational/factual argument fails is not persuasive. nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-29   22:46:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #65. To: nolu chan (#58) (Edited) Technically, the Roe vs Wade verdict does NOT say that, but the wording is kinda ambiguous, and what I said is how the alt-left judges and Planned Parenthood interprets it. The other alternative is simply to get rid of Planned Parenthood and all the alt-left judges and problem solved. (But to prevent any alt-left judges from ever ruling that way again, the wording of the verdict probably should reworded or amended or something, but I am in no way a legal expert so I have no idea how it should be accomplished. And the legal definition of murder should also be changed, and any other law if it disagrees with the Bible because that is what all English laws are supposed to be based on as everyone knows (except you apparently). interpreter  posted on  2017-08-30   1:36:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #73. To: interpreter (#65) [interpreter #65] the legal definition of murder should also be changed, and any other law if it disagrees with the Bible because that is what all English laws are supposed to be based on as everyone knows (except you apparently). Uh huh. The KING was the head of the church. And right now the Supreme Governor of the Anglican church is Queen Elizabeth II. English laws were not supposed to be based on the bible. Your supposed knowledge of English law is absolutely abysmal. English law has no formal codification. Murder is a common law crime in England, not one established by Act of Parliament. You apparently espouse your own Sharia-like system of law, and proclaim that everybody knows that is the way it is supposed to be. The United States adopted the common law system, and every one of the original colonies, by their constitution or by statues, adopted so much of the English common law as was not inconsistent with the U.S. Constitution. Every state has adopted the common law system of law except Louisiana. Louisiana still has a thing for their old Napoleanic code system. The United States codified its laws and has no common law courts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_law English law is the common law legal system governing England and Wales, comprising criminal law and civil law. English law has no formal codification: the essence of English common law is that it is made by judges sitting in courts applying statute, and legal precedent (stare decisis) from previous cases. A decision of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, the highest civil appeal court of the United Kingdom, is binding on every other court. Some rulings are derived from legislation; others, known as common law, are based on rulings of previous courts. For example, murder is a common law crime rather than one established by an Act of Parliament. Common law can be amended or repealed by Parliament; murder, for example, now carries a mandatory life sentence rather than the death penalty. [...] Common law Description Common law is a term with historical origins in the legal system of England. It denotes, in the first place, the judge-made law that developed from the early Middle Ages as described in a work published at the end of the 19th century, The History of English Law before the Time of Edward I,[2] in which Pollock and Maitland expanded the work of Coke (17th century) and Blackstone (18th century). Specifically, the law developed in England's Court of Common Pleas and other common law courts, which became also the law of the colonies settled initially under the crown of England or, later, of the United Kingdom, in North America and elsewhere; and this law as further developed after those courts in England were reorganised by the Supreme Court of Judicature Acts passed in the 1870s, and developed independently, in the legal systems of the United States and other jurisdictions, after their independence from the United Kingdom, before and after the 1870s. The term is used, in the second place, to denote the law developed by those courts, in the same periods (pre-colonial, colonial and post-colonial), as distinct from within the jurisdiction, or former jurisdiction, of other courts in England: the Court of Chancery, the ecclesiastical courts, and the Admiralty court. In the Oxford English Dictionary (1933) "common law" is described as "The unwritten law of England, administered by the King's courts, which purports to be derived from ancient usage, and is embodied in the older commentaries and the reports of abridged cases", as opposed, in that sense, to statute law, and as distinguished from the equity administered by the Chancery and similar courts, and from other systems such as ecclesiasical law, and admiralty law.[3] For usage in the United States the description is "the body of legal doctrine which is the foundation of the law administered in all states settled from England, and those formed by later settlement or division from them".[4] Early development Since 1189, English law has been described as a common law rather than a civil law system; in other words, no major codification of the law has taken place and judicial precedents are binding as opposed to persuasive. This may be a legacy of the Norman conquest of England, when a number of legal concepts and institutions from Norman law were introduced to England. In the early centuries of English common law, the justices and judges were responsible for adapting the system of writs to meet everyday needs, applying a mixture of precedent and common sense to build up a body of internally consistent law. An example is the Law Merchant derived from the "Pie-Powder" Courts, named from a corruption of the French pieds-poudrés ("dusty feet") implying ad hoc marketplace courts. As the Parliament of England became ever more established and influential, legislation gradually overtook judicial law-making such that today, judges are only able to innovate in certain very narrowly defined areas. In 1276, the concept of "time immemorial" often applied in common law was defined as being any time before 6 July 1189 (i.e. before Richard I's accession to the English throne). https://www.gotquestions.org/Anglicans.html The roots of the Anglican, or English, Church go back as far as the 2nd century, but the church traces its current structure and status back to the reign of King Henry VIII, who ruled from 1509 to 1547. The events that led to the formation of the state Anglican Church are a curious mix of ecclesiastical, political, and personal rivalries. Henry petitioned Pope Clement VII for an annulment of his marriage with Catherine of Aragon but was denied. When Protestant Thomas Cranmer became Archbishop of Canterbury, Henry saw his chance to bypass the Pope’s authority and get what he wanted. In 1531, Henry compelled the English clergy to accept him as head of the church in England. In 1532, Henry forced the national convocation to agree in The Submission of the Clergy that they would not promulgate any papal bull in England without the king’s consent. In 1534, Henry led Parliament to pass a series of laws depriving the Roman Catholic Church of any authority in England. The Act of Supremacy declared the king to be “the supreme head of the church in England,” thus giving Henry the same legal authority over the English church that the Pope exercised over the Roman Catholic Church. Here is an example of a 1700 English statute. I am at a loss to identify which part of the bible inspired it. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Will3/12-13/2/section/I Recital of Stat. 1 W. & M. Sess. 2. c. 2. §2. and that the late Queen and Duke of Gloucester are dead; and that His Majesty had recommended from the Throne a further Provision for the Succession of the Crown in the Protestant Line. The Princess Sophia, Electress and Duchess Dowager of Hanover, Daughter of the late Queen of Bohemia, Daughter of King James the First, to inherit after the King and the Princess Anne, in Default of Issue of the said Princess and His Majesty, respectively and the Heirs of her Body, being Protestants. Whereasin the First Year of the Reign of Your Majesty and of our late most gracious Sovereign Lady Queen Mary (of blessed Memory) An Act of Parliament was made intituled [An Act for declaring the Rights and Liberties of the Subject and for setling the Succession of the Crown] wherein it was (amongst other things) enacted established and declared That the Crown and Regall Government of the Kingdoms of England France and Ireland and the Dominions thereunto belonging should be and continue to Your Majestie and the said late Queen during the joynt Lives of Your Majesty and the said Queen and to the Survivor And that after the Decease of Your Majesty and of the said Queen the said Crown and Regall Government should be and remain to the Heirs of the Body of the said late Queen And for Default of such Issue to Her Royall Highness the Princess Ann of Denmark and the Heirs of Her Body And for Default of such Issue to the Heirs of the Body of Your Majesty And it was thereby further enacted That all and every Person and Persons that then were or afterwards should be reconciled to or shall hold Communion with the See or Church of Rome or should professe the Popish Religion should be excluded and are by that Act made for ever [incapable] to inherit possess or enjoy the Crown and Government of this Realm and Ireland and the Dominions thereunto belonging or any part of the same or to have use or exercise any regall Power Authority or Jurisdiction within the same And in all and every such Case and Cases the People of these Realms shall be and are thereby absolved of their Allegiance And that the said Crown and Government shall from time to time descend to and be enjoyed by such Person or Persons being Protestants as should have inherited and enjoyed the same in case the said Person or Persons so reconciled holding Communion professing ... as aforesaid were naturally dead [snip] nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-30   20:28:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #82. To: nolu chan (#73) (Edited) Most of what you say is true except one or two things. First it is both the King (or Queen) AND the Anglican Church (the Archbishop of Canterbury) who make the rules. The 2 roles of the king are to enforce the doctrine of the Church (as for what is a sin, and what is not) and to protect the Church from harm. I can assure you that all of the English laws of old, including English common law are based entirely on the Bible. I can give you the chapter and verse for every one of them if you want me to. And I know pretty much everything there is know about this subject, and that is because I'm an Anglican. BTW, the Anglican Church was founded (officially) by St. Mark in 47AD (who was sent by St. Peter), and before that Joseph of Arimethea arrived in England / Canterbury and converted a bunch of people right after the crucifixion. So dont let anyone tell you that the Church in Rome is the oldest Church or the only Church founded by St. Peter. It is simply not true. interpreter  posted on  2017-08-31   20:20:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #86. To: interpreter (#82) First it is both the King (or Queen) AND the Anglican Church (the Archbishop of Canterbury) who make the rules. The 2 roles of the king are to enforce the doctrine of the Church (as for what is a sin, and what is not) and to protect the Church from harm. When Henry VIII made rules, he enforced them with beheading. It was simply his decree that broke the Church of England from the Roman Catholic Church. He wanted a Kennedy-like annulment and the Pope said no. So, he separated the Church of England from Rome and, wouldn't ya just know it, the now independent church gave him his Kennedy-like annulment. Wife #1 was annulled, #2 was executed, #3 died, #4 was annulled, #5 was executed, and #6 Henry died. (Joseph P. Kennedy obtained an annulment from the Archdiocese of Boston after 12 years of marriage, two kids, and a divorce. After ten years of bad publicity, the Vatican overturned the annulment.) Spiritual rulings fell to Ecclesiastical courts. And I know pretty much everything there is know about this subject, and that is because I'm an Anglican. My father was Episcopal, my mother was Catholic. My mother said that in hospital, when I was born, she shared a semi-private room with a Jewish lady who also had a boy. The Jewish lady had the mohel come, and he did a two-fer and pronounced me an honorary member of the House of David. I have Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish covered. BTW, the Anglican Church was founded (officially) by St. Mark in 47AD (who was sent by St. Peter), and before that Joseph of Arimethea arrived in England / Canterbury and converted a bunch of people right after the crucifixion. So dont let anyone tell you that the Church in Rome is the oldest Church or the only Church founded by St. Peter. It is simply not true. Until Henry VIII, the Church of England followed Roman Catholicism and acknowledged the authority of the Pope in Rome. In modern times, I have seen its polity listed as Episcopal. Way back, I spent two years living in Northern Ireland. To a Yank, it was amazing how neighborhoods could be segregated, Catholic and Protestant. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-01   2:32:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #87. To: nolu chan (#86) You are trying to rewrite history. The Anglican Church had never once been subject to Rome or the Pope except when the Pope sent someone to conquer England and force them to submit to Rome (as with the Norman kings). The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Anglican Church very seldom paid any attention to anything the Pope said except when they were forced to submit or be beheaded (as was also the case with Bloody Mary--that's why she is called Bloody Mary). And historically, it is/was the Archbishop who made the rules concerning divorce, not the Pope. I dont know why people think that started with Henry the 8th. That is not true. But yes, for some reason the Irish have historically preferred to submit to the Pope rather than the Archbishop of Canterbury. But the rest of the British Isles have historically been loyal to their Archbishop rather than the Pope. And that is indeed the reason for a lot of fighting (and segregation, etc.) in Ireland over the centuries (unfortunately). And that's why my Grandmother's family left Ireland and came here. At least now most everyone has calmed down and just want peace (even though there are still some occasional flare-ups in that crazy country). interpreter  posted on  2017-09-01   4:23:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #92. To: interpreter (#87) But yes, for some reason the Irish have historically preferred to submit to the Pope rather than the Archbishop of Canterbury. They did not and do not fight about religion. The English invaded and conquered Ireland. Afterwards the Irish were largely ruled by Scots Presbyterians. The Irish and the invaders did not mix much, so one can observe the division as ethnic or religious, separatist or unionist, or republican or unionist. For some reason the conquerors thought it a swell idea during the potato famine to be exporting food from Ireland. For some reason the starving Irish did not appreciate starving. But the rest of the British Isles have historically been loyal to their Archbishop rather than the Pope. Tell it to William Wallace. Scots and English get on swell. And that is indeed the reason for a lot of fighting (and segregation, etc.) in Ireland over the centuries (unfortunately). In the present tense, there is no fighting and seperation in Ireland, and there has not been for quite some time. The fighting and segregation is, and has been, in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. Note that Scotland and Northern Ireland are not part of Great Britain. Ireland is a seperate sovereign nation altogether. The fighting in Northern Ireland was about the seperatists wanting to reunite the six counties of Northern Ireland with the twenty-six counties of the Republic of Ireland. They were partitioned in 1921. And that's why my Grandmother's family left Ireland and came here. The second largest religious group in Ireland is the Anglicans, at under 3%. Northern Ireland (2011) had 40.2% Catholic, 20.7% Presbyterian, and 13.7% Anglican, and 3% Methodist. When I lived in Northern Ireland, it was between the Battle of the Bogside and the start of internment. Derry (or Londonderry) was predominantly Catholic. When I say predominantly, in 2011 there were 67.4% Catholic to 19.4% Protestant. The districts were gerrymandered to result in Protestant control of the city council. The police, the Royal Ulster Constabulary or RUC, were 100% Protestant. Since 2001 it is the Police Service of Northern Ireland or PSNI, integrated, but still majority Ulster Protestant. All civil service jobs were Protestant. At the U.S. base, now closed, the civilian employees were nearly 100% Catholic. At least now most everyone has calmed down and just want peace (even though there are still some occasional flare-ups in that crazy country). Well, if it is crazy for a majority to oppose rule by an alien minority, they were crazy. The crazy ones consider it British Occupied Ireland. Until fairly recently, the Irish constitution also claimed all thirty-two counties and anyone born in Northern Ireland could just go to Ireland and get an Irish passport. There have been dozens of uprisings since 1534. There will probably be more. It has not really stopped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissident_Irish_Republican_campaign Excerpt In the run-up to Christmas 2013, there was a surge in dissident republican activity. This included the first bombings in Belfast city centre in a decade. On 25 November a car bomb partially exploded outside Victoria Square Shopping Centre and a PSNI base. A man was forced to drive the bomb to the spot and raised the alarm. On 13 December a small bomb exploded in a holdall outside St Anne's Square, following a telephoned warning. Nobody was hurt in the attacks, which were claimed by ONH. Also in December, two PSNI patrols were the target of automatic gunfire in Belfast. In February 2014 the Real IRA (or 'New IRA') sent seven letter bombs to British Army recruitment offices in south-east England; the first time republican militants struck in Britain since 2001. The following month, a PSNI Land Rover was hit by a horizontal mortar in Belfast. A civilian car was also hit by debris, but there were no injuries. It was the first successful attack of its kind in more than ten years. On 25 December in North Belfast, police came under fire but were not injured. The attacker was charged with attempted murder. Days later, on 27 November 2015, police in West Belfast came under heavy fire. No officers were wounded, thanks to their vehicle's armour-plating and bullet-proof glass. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-02   4:37:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #93. To: nolu chan (#92) They did not and do not fight about religion. That is not true, not true at all, according to what Grandma told me. Her parents, being Protestants and therefore persecuted in Ireland for their religion,and also because of the potato famine you talk about which is only part of it, came to America to escape all of that. And in America she married a Jew. On the other side, my mother is/was a full-blooded German. That would never happen in Ireland or probably anywhere in Europe. I thank God every day that my parents met in America, the great "melting pot." And it is not just in northern Ireland. Virtually all wars in the history of wars, or at least modern wars, have been fought over religion so your statemente is pretty laughable. But I have some very Good News! I am predicting that in 2017, or else 2018, All of the Churches established by St. Peter, including my Church, will come back together as one, after 1000 years of the being united as one before the Pope got a wild hair up his butt and added one word to the Nicene Creed which caused the "Great Schism." And that is when all hell broke loose (i.e., the persecution of Christians in the Holy Land and the Crusades, and all that). Fast forward one thousand years to today. Now there are about 10,000 schisms, and counting, and the world has completely gone to hell. And even as we speak my prediction is coming to pass. The Archbihop of Canterbury is currently holding talks with the Patriarch of Constantinople, with the stated purpose of bringing our Churches back together for the first time in a 1000 years. But the current Pope at the present time at least, is refusing to join the talks. But it may yet happen, but IMHO probably after the current Pope is dead. (And no I am not making a death threat, but everyone has to meet their maker at some point). Anyhow, when all the Churches established by St. Peter and his successors come back together (including the Lutherans and Presbyterians and Methodists, et al), then and only then will we be able to defeat the 7th head of Satan (Islam) in the final battle between good and evil. Then we will rule the Earth unhindered by Satan for a 1000 years! Barry Midyet BTW I haven't posted in 3 days basically because it took 3 days to get Harvey out of my boat, and for everything to return to some semblance of normal on the Gulf Coast and now a hurricane far worse than Harvey is coming, and I'm stocking up for the next one, a 4000 year storm the weathermen are saying. interpreter  posted on  2017-09-07   5:24:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #96. To: interpreter (#93) They did not and do not fight about religion. That is not true, not true at all, according to what Grandma told me. Her parents, being Protestants and therefore persecuted in Ireland for their religion,and also because of the potato famine you talk about which is only part of it, came to America to escape all of that. Grandma didn't tell me much about Northern Ireland, but I lived there and married a local there. Grandma is delusional if she thought protestants were persecuted in Ireland, or that it was about religion. Your grandma would have to have left so long ago that it would most likely predate the 26 Counties becoming an independent nation in 1949 when it left the British Commonwealth. The Potato Famine was from 1845 - 1852. It only affected the potato crop. During the famine, the country under British occupation and rule exported food. You do realize that your Granny had to be born 165 years ago to have been around during the Irish potato famine. It predates the American Civil War. It was the Catholics being persecuted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) Irish food exports during Famine Rioters in Dungarvan attempt to break into a bakery; the poor could not afford to buy what food was available. (The Pictorial Times, 1846) Records show that Irish lands exported food even during the worst years of the Famine. When Ireland had experienced a famine in 1782–83, ports were closed to keep Irish-grown food in Ireland to feed the Irish. Local food prices promptly dropped. Merchants lobbied against the export ban, but government in the 1780s overrode their protests. No such export ban happened in the 1840s. Throughout the entire period of the Famine, Ireland was exporting enormous quantities of food. In the magazine History Ireland (1997, issue 5, pp. 32–36), Christine Kinealy, a Great Hunger scholar, lecturer, and Drew University professor, relates her findings: Almost 4,000 vessels carried food from Ireland to the ports of Bristol, Glasgow, Liverpool, and London during 1847, when 400,000 Irish men, women, and children died of starvation and related diseases. She also writes that Irish exports of calves, livestock (except pigs), bacon, and ham actually increased during the Famine. This food was shipped under British military guard from the most famine-stricken parts of Ireland; Ballina, Ballyshannon, Bantry, Dingle, Killala, Kilrush, Limerick, Sligo, Tralee, and Westport. A wide variety of commodities left Ireland during 1847, including peas, beans, onions, rabbits, salmon, oysters, herring, lard, honey, tongues, animal skins, rags, shoes, soap, glue, and seed. The most shocking export figures concern butter. Butter was shipped in firkins, each one holding 9 imperial gallons; 41 litres. In the first nine months of 1847, 56,557 firkins (509,010 imperial gallons; 2,314,000 litres) were exported from Ireland to Bristol, and 34,852 firkins (313,670 imperial gallons; 1,426,000 litres) were shipped to Liverpool, which correlates with 822,681 imperial gallons (3,739,980 litres) of butter exported to England from Ireland during nine months of the worst year of the Famine. The problem in Ireland was not lack of food, which was plentiful, but the price of it, which was beyond the reach of the poor. And in America she married a Jew. On the other side, my mother is/was a full-blooded German. That would never happen in Ireland or probably anywhere in Europe. I thank God every day that my parents met in America, the great "melting pot." It is not the most likely thing in Ireland, but mainly due to the scarcity of Germans and Jews. And it is not just in northern Ireland. Virtually all wars in the history of wars, or at least modern wars, have been fought over religion so your statemente is pretty laughable. The difference, of course, being that I lived there and married there during The Troubles, and you have no idea of what you are talking about. The Troubles have always been about a foreign occupying group. If the Mexicans conquered Texas and instituted Mexican rule, there would be some troubles, but religion would not be the cause. The new occupiers could declare complete freedom of religion and somehow I feel that the Texans would not be satisfied. But I have some very Good News! I am predicting that in 2017, or else 2018, All of the Churches established by St. Peter, including my Church, will come back together as one, after 1000 years of the being united as one before the Pope got a wild hair up his butt and added one word to the Nicene Creed which caused the "Great Schism." What was that one word? And even as we speak my prediction is coming to pass. The Archbihop of Canterbury is currently holding talks with the Patriarch of Constantinople, with the stated purpose of bringing our Churches back together for the first time in a 1000 years. But the current Pope at the present time at least, is refusing to join the talks. But it may yet happen, but IMHO probably after the current Pope is dead. (And no I am not making a death threat, but everyone has to meet their maker at some point). When the Catholic church adopts protestantism, it will cease to be the Catholic church. It remains the predominant Christian faith, in a sea of thousands of denominations, because it has not changed dramatically. Anyhow, when all the Churches established by St. Peter and his successors come back together (including the Lutherans and Presbyterians and Methodists, et al), then and only then will we be able to defeat the 7th head of Satan (Islam) in the final battle between good and evil. It is good to hear that the Lutherans and Presbyterians and Methodists are going to rejoin the Roman Catholic Church, the only church built by Jesus upon His rock, Peter. But I thought the Lutherans were established by Martin Luther, rahter than St. Peter or one of his successors, the Popes, the Holy See of Rome. I'm stocking up for the next one, a 4000 year storm the weathermen are saying. Be positive. If it is a 4,000 year storm the over and under on its arrival is 2,000 years, so expect it in 4,117 A.D. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-07   19:28:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #98. To: nolu chan (#96) Well it was my greatgrandparents who experienced the potato famine (who I didn't know because I wasn't born yet). Anyhow they immigrated to Texas (to Brady Texas) and produced the Texas-size version of Brady bunch - 12 kids. But my main point is, there was also a lot of persecutions/conflicts during the Potato famine and through-out Ireland's history. The founders of the Lutheran, Presbyterian and Methodist Churches were all direct successors to Peter through the process called "the laying on of hands". But I did not say they were coming back together with the Roman Church (at least not any time soon). I said (or I meant to say) they would come back together with Canterbury and the six Orthodox Patriarchs, either in 2017 or 2018. At the present moment, the current Pope in Rome is refusing to take part in the talks which he considers blasphemy. But it can also be argued that it makes no difference. The Roman Catholic kings of today (the six Presidents and PM's of the six predominantly Roman Catholic nations in NATO) will overrule the Pope and unite as one with the Lutheran, Anglican and Orthodox nations in the 24 Christian-nation Alliance that is prophesied, that will rule the Earth for a thousand years. And the Roman Church has changed and dramatically. For one thing, the Pope now says the Roman Church is the only Church established by St. Peter. It is one of many Churches established by St. Peter including the Jerusalem and Antioch Churches as recorded in the Bible. That change is a brand new change in doctrine on top of many other changes (Luther listed 17) that Protestants are protesting. As for Irma, what the Meterologists are basically saying is that Irma is the worst storm in recorded history, because history did not begin to be recorded until about 4000 yeas ago, which is when the Genesis account of the great flood in the Gaden of Eden was written, and Archeologists and other Sumerian writings confirm that a couple big floods did indeed occur in Mesopotamia about the time the Bible says it did. In other words, Irma is the biggest weather event since the days of Noah. Barry M interpreter  posted on  2017-09-08   7:50:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #101. To: interpreter (#98) Well it was my greatgrandparents who experienced the potato famine (who I didn't know because I wasn't born yet). Well, what you said was, That is not true, not true at all, according to what Grandma told me. Her parents, being Protestants and therefore persecuted in Ireland for their religion, and also because of the potato famine you talk about which is only part of it, came to America to escape all of that. I was just pointing out that any actual observation of the famine was at least 165 years ago, pre-dating the American Civil War. At page 8 of your book, you point out that Great Grandpa was a Christian and a Jew, and attended synagogue on Saturday and church on Sunday. I seriously doubt he was persecuted for being a Christian on Sunday. As for Jews in Ireland 165 years ago, I have no idea. Historically, the total Jewish population of IOreland peaked at around 5,000, and there are about 1,500 today, with the majority having been in Dublin. But my main point is, there was also a lot of persecutions/conflicts during the Potato famine and through-out Ireland's history. This is undoubtedly true, as stated. It is historical fact that the persecutions were of the Irish who were almost entirely Catholic, by the occupiers who were not. The Irish were forbidden to speak or teach the Irish language, to keep their name if it were something like O'Sullivan (the "O" had to go), and in times of famine, they were denied any government aid if they owned land. They were given the choice of forfeiting their land or starve. They were not in a position to persecute anyone. The founders of the Lutheran, Presbyterian and Methodist Churches were all direct successors to Peter through the process called "the laying on of hands". But I did not say they were coming back together with the Roman Church (at least not any time soon). The Church of England left the most holy Roman Catholic Church in 1534 A.D., but took a knee, admitted heresy, begged forgiveness, and rejoined the most holy Roman Catholic Church in 1559, later to depart once again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England The area now called England was first inhabited by modern humans during the Upper Palaeolithic period, but takes its name from the Angles, one of the Germanic tribes who settled during the 5th and 6th centuries. England became a unified state in the 10th century, and since the Age of Discovery, which began during the 15th century, has had a significant cultural and legal impact on the wider world. And the Roman Church has changed and dramatically. For one thing, the Pope now says the Roman Church is the only Church established by St. Peter. - - - - - The founders of the Lutheran, Presbyterian and Methodist Churches were all direct successors to Peter through the process called "the laying on of hands". But I did not say they were coming back together with the Roman Church (at least not any time soon). What you said: Anyhow, when all the Churches established by St. Peter and his successors come back together (including the Lutherans and Presbyterians and Methodists, et al) St. Peter did not found a church. Jesus founded a church. By the biblical words directly attributed to Jesus Christ, He founded a church upon His rock, St. Peter. Jesus Christ founded one such church, as stated at Matthew 16:18. If all the churches established by men are not coming back together with the church founded by Jesus Christ, what are they coming back to together with? How can all the churches established by St. Peter (sic - Jesus) and his successors (sic - Jesus), not include the Church of Christ established by Jesus upon His rock, Peter? "Laying on of hands" is not the process of Jesus Christ as memorialized at Matthew 16:18. I don't care if someone chooses to do that, but I do not personally find that in any bible. What I find in the bible is that Jesus founded His church, and by what act he did so. In your book, The Revelation, A Historicist View, Westbow Press, © 2017 by Barry Midyet, Westbow Press rev. date 3/2/2017, at page 20, you assert that, [T]he Anglican Church, now the de facto head honcho of the West, will soon replace Rome as the western lampstand. Not only is the Anglican Church not the de facto head honcho of the West, it is collapsing in England on center stage, in a dramatic way. Organized Christian religion has been declining, but the Anglican Church is leading the way. http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/06/new-research--49-percent-have-no-religion-anglican-church-collapse-continues-islam-increases-ten-fold-since-1983 New research: 49% have no religion, Anglican Church collapse continues, Islam increases ten-fold since 1983 Posted: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 10:43 National Secular Society [...] The percentage of non-religious people has increased from 31% in 1983, to 49% in 2014. Conversely, the share belonging to the Church of England has fallen from 40% to 17% over the same time period. This means that by-far the single largest group of people is the non-religious. Based on estimates from the Office of National Statistics, there are 24.7 million non-believers in the UK. The next single-highest group is Anglicans on 8.6 million. However, according to the NatCen figures, the "nones" have outnumbered Anglicans since at least 1994- when there were over 2 million more non-believers. The picture is different for non-Anglican Christians however. Roman Catholics have dropped by only 2 percentage points, from 10% of the population in 1983 to 8% last year. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/17/church-of-england-attendance-decline-30-years-general-assembly Church of England expects attendance to fall for next 30 years C of E general assembly hears ‘much gloomier’ prediction as congregations age and young people spurn organised religion The scale of the Church of England’s atrophy has been starkly set out by figures presented to its general assembly that show church attendance will continue to fall for the next 30 years. Previously, the church predicted that its decline in numbers was likely to continue for another five years before recovering. But John Spence, the C of E’s finance chief, said on Wednesday that the decline was expected to continue for another three decades, with today’s figures of 18 people per 1,000 regularly attending church falling to 10 per 1,000. An 81-year-old was eight times more likely to attend church than a 21-year-old, he said. “On all likely measures of success, given the demographics of the church, it is unlikely we will see a net growth in church membership within the next 30 years,” said Spence. “I could have given you other facts, but I think you get the point.” The figures illustrate the challenge facing a church whose congregations are ageing as the millennial generation increasingly spurns organised religion. [snip] http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/11/08/4571329.htm How the Church of England Lost the English People Linda Woodhead ABC Religion and Ethics 8 Nov 2016 Linda Woodhead is Professor of Sociology of Religion at Lancaster University. She is the co-author of That Was the Church That Was: How the Church of England Lost the English People. "The Church of England. Loving Jesus with an air of superiority since 597." So goes the old joke, but the last few decades have seen this once-proud Church brought it to its knees. The Church of England's own statistics, published late last month, show attendance falling relentlessly by 1% a year, and funerals declining even faster - down 30% since 2005. Today only about 1% of the population (750,000) are in one of its churches on Sunday, and fewer than one in three have an Anglican funeral. Church leaders like to blame "secularization" but a glance at the Church of England's sister churches in Scandinavia shows this can't be the whole story. Take the Church of Denmark, a fellow Reformation church integral to the project of nation-building and existing today in the context of an affluent liberal democracy. Its decline is far slower than the Church of England's, with over three-quarters of Danes still choosing to pay church tax, 83% having a Church funeral and two-thirds of Danish babies baptised. Compare that with England where well under a third of the population identify as Church of England and just 1 in 10 babies are baptised. The only similarity between the two is a very low rate of Sunday churchgoing: around 1% of the population. But for these societal rather than congregational churches, Sunday attendance has never been as important as occasional offices. As a sociologist of religion, I have spent much of my career tracking the Church of England's collapse; as an Anglican who once trained ordinands, my concern is more than professional. This year I published a book with Andrew Brown, religious correspondent of the London Guardian, to explain what went wrong. The underlying answer we give in That Was the Church That Was is, in some ways, blindingly obvious: religion flourishes when it is enmeshed with the lives of those it serves and dies when it no longer connects. Societal churches depend on a healthy relationship with their societies, even when there is mutual criticism. But in England, after the 1980s, the increasingly stretched ties between the two snapped. Church and society spun off in different orbits. The gulf is now so profound that, despite residual constitutional ties, the chance of reconciliation is virtually zero. [snip] https://www.skepticink.com/tippling/2015/06/04/uk-49-have-no-religion-anglican-church-collapse-continues-islam-increases-ten-fold-since-1983/ New research: 49% have no religion, Anglican Church collapse continues, Islam increases ten-fold since 1983 Posted: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 10:43 New findings by the National Centre for Social Research have confirmed the long-term collapse in affiliation with the Church of England and the huge increase in non-belief. Strikingly, the research also found that there had been a ten-fold increase in those identifying with Islam in the past 32 years. In 1983, Islam represented around half a percentage point of Britain’s population but in 2014 it had reached 5%, the research found. “The proportion of people saying that they are Anglican has fallen quite dramatically in the last ten years, coinciding with a rise in people saying they are not religious,” NatCen noted. The percentage of non-religious people has increased from 31% in 1983, to 49% in 2014. Conversely, the share belonging to the Church of England has fallen from 40% to 17% over the same time period. [snip] http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/rome.htm An Orthodox Comment on the Decline of Anglicanism: The Path to R.O.M.E., R.O.M.A. and R.O.M.A.N.Z. The consecration in the USA of an active homosexual to the Anglican episcopate is leading to a Schism in the worldwide Anglican communion. At first sight it may seem very strange that it is this which may lead to the final collapse of that denomination. Anglicanism was always based on a compromise between Protestantism and Catholicism in the desire to avoid the descent of a State into Civil War. For centuries Anglicanism has boasted of its 'comprehensiveness', the idea that 'dogmas' do not matter. As such, in the nineteenth century, Anglicanism laid the foundation-stone of ecumenism. In recent decades it seemed not to matter in Anglicanism whether you believed or not in the Holy Trinity, in the Divinity of Christ, in the Resurrection, in the Virginity of the Ever-Virgin, in sacraments and therefore a male priesthood. Faith could be reduced to the lowest common denominator. Belief in the basics was optional. Being all things to all men, you could believe in anything you wanted - except in disunity. All the above divergences were indeed swept under the carpet - and as a result outward unity survived. And now this, the challenge to simple Christian morality, is leading to the suicide of a denomination. However, looking more deeply at this phenomenon, we should not be surprised. The rejection of the fundamental revelations to the Church about the nature of God, the rejection of the 'dogmas' formulated by the saints of the first millennium, leads inevitably to the rejection of basic Christian morality. After an initial period of hypocrisy, sooner or later the collapse of the spiritual and dogmatic basis of any Christian group leads automatically to its moral collapse. This is a law. Without spirituality, there is hypocrisy, followed by visible moral collapse. Here it is happening before our very eyes, proof that spiritual collapse always precedes moral collapse. The loss of belief in basic spiritual truths leads to the loss of belief in basic moral truths. Never underestimate the moral significance of the spiritual revelations of dogma. Some are now looking to Catholicism as a refuge from Protestant divisions and sectarianism. But not many. Everybody knows that once the present ailing Pope has gone from the stage, Catholicism, especially in Western countries, may well implode. 99% of Western Catholics do not accept Papal Infallibility, clerical celibacy or rulings against artificial contraception. The gulf between the ordinary Roman Catholic and the Vatican has rarely been so wide. Pedophile scandals have ruined Catholicism, both morally and financially, even in recent strongholds like Ireland. In many ways the ill-health of Pope John-Paul II seems to be symbolic of that of a whole organisation, teetering on the brink of decay and division. An old, frail and shaky structure which is about to die, having come to the term of it historical existence. Others look to the Orthodox Churches for authority. [snip] nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-08   19:39:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #103. To: nolu chan (#101) Obviously, you are lacking in reading comprehension, or else you do not know English. I said Grandma told me about what my Greatgrandma said about Ireland. And in most of Ireland in most of its history, sometimes the Roman Catholics were in charge and persecuting Protestants, and sometimes the Protestants were in charge and persecuting Roman Catholics. But I dont even pretend to be an expert on Ireland, and if you want to say that most of the time in recent years it has been Protestants persecuting Roman Catholics, I might concede that, but if true, it is payback for when the Roman Catholics were in charge and doing the persecuting. Whether right or wrong, it is just human nature, pure and simple. But I do pray that cooler heads will prevail and do the right thing, and forgive and forget. As for the Anglican Church, it may be fast losing members in England (and the US branch), but world-wide it is growing, and especially in Africa. Even in the US, there are some Episcopal Churches that are growing. They are the ones who have not changed anything from what St.Peter and the first- century Church taught, and do not ordain/hire gay priests or perform same- sex marriages for example. But the main reason I say the Anglican Church is the de facto head-honcho in the west is because Great Britain and the US, both founded by Anglicans, are the two most powerful nations on Earth, in other words,the de facto head honcho(s) of the west, if not the whole Earth. The Patriarch of Constantinople is merely just making it official. The Patriarch of Constantinople has already removed the Roman Church (about a thousand years ago as prophesied in the letter to Ephesus which is also directed to Rome), and a thousand years later he is now planning on replacing Rome with Canterbury, which is also hinted at (or signified) in the Revelation (See Rev. 2:5 for starters). And it is occurring right on time. In the Dispensational View of things, the Church was united as one for 1000 years, then it was not for 1000 years, now it will be united as one again and for a thousand years (with or without Rome because Rome can be replaced, but it may be that Rome may also rejoin with the other Churches at some point to fully complete the picture). Either way, it will result in a glorious Heaven on Earth for a thousand years. But I am very impressed that you have actually read my book. Did you buy a copy or are you just reading from Amazon's free excerpt? I suspect the latter. But if you want to read the whole thing and for cheap, I am pleased to announce that my updated e-book version is now out. It is available at BN.com (Barnes and Nobles). It has 20 full-color images, some of them original paintings, and is so much better than the B&W paperback version. The e-book is quite affordable at $3.99 and it doesn't waste any trees, so it is a win-win deal. interpreter  posted on  2017-09-09   11:53:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #107. To: interpreter (#103) But I am very impressed that you have actually read my book. Did you buy a copy or are you just reading from Amazon's free excerpt? I suspect the latter. I am impressed that you are impressed that I can read a book. Your first statement in the comment to which I now reply stated, "Obviously, you are lacking in reading comprehension, or else you do not know English." I suspect you are merely impressed with my being a fast learner. I am hurt that you suspect I only read free excerpts. I suspect you don't know what Amazon has excerpted and placed online. You do not think there is a whole copy online, available for free, do you? But I do have an inquiry to make about the contents of your book at pages 93 to 95. On page 93, you show a shutterstock depiction of the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States, with your caption being "The New Jerusalem on dollar bill." https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/27807.pdf The reverse of the Great Seal, sometimes referred to as the spiritual side of the seal, contains the 13-step pyramid with the year 1776 in Roman numerals on the base. At the summit of the pyramid is the Eye of Providence in a triangle surrounded by a Glory (rays of light) and above it appears the motto Annuit Coeptis. Along the lower circumference of the design appear the words Novus Ordo Seclorum, heralding the beginning of the new American era in 1776. [...] Although drawings of the obverse side of the Great Seal were done immediately upon adoption of the design in 1782, the first reverse was not drawn until 4 years later. A Philadelphia engraver, James Trenchard, working from the written description, produced a full page engraving of the reverse for the October 1786 issue of Columbian Magazine. He followed the law closely and produced an elongated, 13-step unfinished pyramid, with the two mottos, the date in Roman numerals, and the Eye of Providence in a blaze of glory. The second drawing of the reverse was probably done by the artist and historian, Benson J. Lossing, to accompany an article he wrote on the Great Seal for the July 1856 issue of Harper’s New Monthly Magazine. Lossing gave his rather square pyramid a deep perspective and filled the ground around it with flowers and grass. He also changed Trenchard’s right Eye of Providence to a left eye, which it has been ever since. This drawing has influenced all later realizations of the written description of 1782, with the exception of the Great Seal Centennial Medal struck in 1882. The back of this medal, which followed closely Trenchard’s design, was the first realization of the reverse to be issued officially by the U.S. Government. The design for the reverse was made available by the Continental Congress in case it was desired to impress the back surfaces of wax pendant seals. The United States used pendant seals for treaties from 1815 to 1871, but the backs were never impressed. Enthusiasm for cutting a die of the reverse has diminished, and to this day one has not been cut. The current official design of the reverse of the Great Seal follows almost exactly the Lossing drawing, and can be seen on the $1 bill. Depicted in your book is the 1856 Benson Lossing drawing. On page 94 you observe that all the worthy will have to live on a new Earth, and said "new Earth is no doubt Mars." You further observe that living on Mars would require "a huge enclosed habitat like the New Jerusalem." On page 95 you further observe that on the reverse side of the dollar bill "the US is represented by the New Jerusalem," and that it is depicted as a pyramid because "our founding fathers, and most scientists, have deemed that for a structure the size of the New Jerusalem to support its own weight and be able to withstand earthquakes and storms, etc., it has to be pyramid shaped." And you observe that the New Jerusalem "happens to be exactly the right height for a space elevator on Mars, which is necessary for easy travel (for God and humans?) between the stars." How was it determined that the pyramid on the Great Seal was just the right size for a space elevator? It has never existed except as a concept or as a drawing about four inches tall. And it is only 13 blocks high. Why would we, much less God, need a space elevator? Can't they just use an eight chevron stargate powered by a zero point module, as all the scientists have said? And why would God need a device to travel ? Isn't He omnipresent, everywhere at once all the time? How does a drawing of an unfinished pyramid from 1856 show that our founding fathers thought the U.S. was New Jerusalem and a pyramid was needed to withstand earthquakes and storms on Mars? And most scientists who have deemed that we need a pyramid on Mars — who are they? Where can we read or hear what they said, in their own words? What did Dr. Daniel Tanz say? nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-10   4:12:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #108. To: nolu chan (#107) (Edited) Mars Lol. Maybe you should have your own fact check sire. A K A Stone  posted on  2017-09-10   7:44:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #109. To: A K A Stone (#108) Mars Lol. Maybe you should have your own fact check sire. Hey, it ain't me that claimed that worthy are going to Mars to live in a pyramid that can serve as a space elevator. It is claimed our Founding Father are responsible for that, and most scientists agree with it. I'm just asking to source and explain the claim. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-11   20:18:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #111. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#109) Hey, it ain't me that claimed that worthy are going to Mars to live in a pyramid that can serve as a space elevator. It is claimed our Founding Father are responsible for that, and most scientists agree with it. I'm just asking to source and explain the claim. I dunno. I'm starting to like that whole pyramid space elevator on Mars bit. All dreamed up by Ben Franklin, no doubt. Or maybe John Hancock. It's a weird Masonic/scifi/patriotic/National Treasure kind of thing. Or maybe it's just really stupid and delusional, I can't really tell. It is more interesting than the boring facts of history we've all had to listen to since middle school. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-12   8:21:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #112. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone (#111) All dreamed up by Ben Franklin, no doubt. Or maybe John Hancock. The Founders originally created only a written concept of the reverse side of the Great Seal. It took years before somebody turned the concept into a drawing. Only the obverse side was used as an actual seal. It is more interesting than the boring facts of history we've all had to listen to since middle school. Dr. Daniel Jackson and Dr. Rodney McKay figured out how to power and operate the eight chevron stargate, it is proven science, all the scientists agree. We don't need no stinkin' space elevator. All we need is the technology of the ancients hidden in Antarctica. That is my story and I'm sticking with it. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-12   16:35:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #113. To: nolu chan (#112) Dr. Daniel Jackson and Dr. Rodney McKay figured out how to power and operate the eight chevron stargate, it is proven science, all the scientists agree. I've followed their work closely over the years. I'm surprised you neglected to mention the contributions of Dr. Samantha Carter to interstellar travel. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-12   20:00:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 113. #114. To: Tooconservative (#113) I'm surprised you neglected to mention the contributions of Dr. Samantha Carter to interstellar travel. Yes. Dr. Carter's Ph.D. was in theoretical astrophysics. nolu chan  posted on  2017-09-12 21:42:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 113. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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