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Title: Black Matriarch Demonstrates The Moral Myopia of Black Females
Source: Living On Stolen Time & Playing With Borrowed Money
URL Source: https://lostapwbm.wordpress.com/tag/michael-grace-jr/
Published: Nov 8, 2016
Author: staff
Post Date: 2017-08-19 20:08:36 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 19542
Comments: 66

Background: 28-year-old Michael Renard Grace Jr. and two accomplices entered a Pizza Hut in Charlotte, NC, with the purpose of robbing the establishment. Grace was armed. An employee in the restaurant saw Grace and his accomplices robbing the store and fired on Grace, killing him. The accomplices fled the scene.

Just another day in the life, right? Oh no. The black matriarch who raised Michael Renard Grace Jr. to rob fast food restaurants has to get her two cents in. This is a special treat for me, getting to intersect the Black Matriarchy with the corrective nature of the 2nd Amendment. I’m positively giddy.

“What is the policy of employees having guns on the premises?”

“Was he a security guard?”

“Was he back there cooking dough?”

“Was he back there throwing pizzas in the oven?”

“What was his position?”

“Why did he have a gun on the premises?”

Have you noticed that black females are very good at trying to sound smarter than they actually are? But these questions she’s asking just show where her little brain is headed: A wrongful death lawsuit. She couldn’t profit from her son’s life, because his life wasn’t worth anything, so she’ll be happy to profit from his death, or try to anyway.

Black matriarchs are very good at raising sons to not be shit, and then when the son meets his natural and rightful conclusion, she’s right there with her hand out, demanding to be compensated.

A couple of other examples of black women cashing in on raising ain’t shit black men:
Cleta A. Jennings

Toni Atkinson
“It was an act of desperation, but I do not believe he [Michael] would have hurt anyone.”

I want to respond to this and to the “why did he have a gun on the premises?” statement in one part. The man probably had a gun because he knows where he works, a Pizza Hut, is one of those places that tends to get robbed by men raised by idiots like Temia Hairston.

Pizza deliveryman shot

Domino’s employee shot in the face

Domino’s employee in Fayetteville, NC shot during a robbery.

Jack In The Box Employee Killed

But this idiot whore is so morally short-sighted, that she expects this employee to put his life in the hands of her son, to leave his continued existence at his mercy, and whether or not he decides to let his victim live.

How about no?

That’s why he had a gun on the premises of the Pizza Hut, and why everyone should carry, concealed or open: Just in case you run across another Michael Renard Grace Jr. and he’s down on his luck, but rather than get a job, he decides he’s going to stick a gun in the face of somebody who’s barely better off than he is.

But this is the mentality that these black females have and it’s the mentality they transmit to their criminal sons; when things are going wrong in their own lives, they suddenly gain the inherent right to make things go wrong on everybody else’s life. When mama’s not happy because she had a bad day at work and comes home, and you try to show mama the picture you drew, and she slaps you across the face, that’s okay, because mama just upset because she had a bad day, therefore, her act of violence is justifiable. When mama’s son is short some money and runs into your place of business armed looking for cash, putting your life at risk, that’s okay because it was just an “act of desperation” which magically gives him the right to threaten your safety, your money, and your life.

Makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?
“This wasn’t a body shot. This was a head shot. A head shot is personal.”

“My son would have been facing jail time, instead of laying on a slab with a bullet hole in his head.”

Ms. Hairston, a slab is the proper place for your son, as it is for all robbers. If the law were truly just, the Pizza Hut employee, who not only protected himself, but protected all of your son’s future victims, would be able to file a lawsuit against you to collect the cost of the ammunition used to impose the moral discipline on your son that you were unwilling and unable to teach him while he was alive.

P.S. Did you notice that the man sitting next to her is quieter than a church mouse?


Poster Comment:

This is from last November but it is a pretty scrappy gun piece.

Stone should invite this writer to post here at LF.

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#27. To: Tooconservative (#26)

Unfortunately, Stone does allow every search engine and spybot to ransack every thread and every single byte of the entire LF site. So it starts to defeat any attempts at privacy when everything you post here is indexed within minutes to Google and the other search engines and social spybots.

ROTFL! So, you do know: how technically lame Stone is. Keep in mind that we anonymously post so your point is really cast, "way out in the weeds" for the discussion.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-08-20   13:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#27)

ROTFL! So, you do know: how technically lame Stone is. Keep in mind that we anonymously post so your point is really cast, "way out in the weeds" for the discussion.

Our web browsers still have characteristic "fingerprints", even across multiple platforms. VPN and Tor may no longer be enough and their use may attract more attention to determining your identity than if you didn't use them at all.

ArsTechnica: Now sites can fingerprint you online even when you use multiple browsers

And to find out how unique your browser it at face value, try this website:

EFF: PanOpticlick

My browser fingerprint score never reaches 1500. Pretty piss poor. Any determined government agency could likely penetrate my identity and have a fair chance of tracking most of my traffic. However, I am using a crufty but latest version of Firefox on the Mac so that will affect my scores as it is not a terribly popular platform. If I spoofed my browser user agent, for instance, my score would soar.

The same results would apply to using Tor. Something worth considering.

So where do you get your Tor VM or do you just use an extension? Or a special install package just for Tor?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-20   14:12:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Tooconservative (#28)

I'm not worried about it. They know who I am by me registering the website. If the government wants to talk to me they are free to come and talk to me. If they want to put me on trial they can do that too. IF they want to come and kill me. They can easily do that too.

I'm not worried about it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-08-20   14:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)

I'm not worried about it. They know who I am by me registering the website. If the government wants to talk to me they are free to come and talk to me. If they want to put me on trial they can do that too. IF they want to come and kill me. They can easily do that too.

I'm not worried about it.

What about the rest of us? Are you reporting us to the government? Where is your commitment for anonymity for the whopping crowd of irregular 20 posters here?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-08-20   14:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)

I'm not worried about it. They know who I am by me registering the website. If the government wants to talk to me they are free to come and talk to me. If they want to put me on trial they can do that too. IF they want to come and kill me. They can easily do that too.

Not if you paid a few bucks extra for the private DNS registration that shields your identity.

You should worry more that they'll declare LF a hate site, you a hate leader, toss you off the internet by cancelling your libertysflame.com DNS registration, etc. We should see that happen to the 4um site before the same ax falls here at LF.

You should also worry about the general chilling effect of such online monitoring will have on all web sites, including yours. How long until Google refuses to publicly index pages at LF or delivers links to LF but conditions them with a warning that "the SPLC has determined that LF is a hate site...click if you wish to continue to LF, you Nazi fuck".

Yeah, that's a pretty chilling effect they can exercise via these whitelist/blacklist functions they've put in all the web browsers.

Again, how is this not a utility that should be subject to public regulation for equal and unbiased access.

You don't get to cut off someone's power or sewer/water service just because you think they're a Nazi or Confederate. Or an Antifa supporter. Why is the internet that much different?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-20   14:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeroo (#30)

What about the rest of us? Are you reporting us to the government? Where is your commitment for anonymity for the whopping crowd of irregular 20 posters here?

What i'm saying buckeroo is that there is nothing I can really do about the advance of the surveillance state. So there is no sense in being a paranoid schitzo like you.

They can find out who we all are anytime they want to and we can't do anything about it.

We're not doing anything illegal, immoral or un ethical. So why worry about it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-08-20   14:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tooconservative (#31)

You should worry more that they'll declare LF a hate site

I suspect if we were called a hate site by the government traffic would pick up.

I reported myself to that fag human rights watch group a while back. I wanted them to go after me and call me a hate site.

I'm not big enough pickins for them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-08-20   14:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Tooconservative (#31)

Not if you paid a few bucks extra for the private DNS registration that shields your identity.

I have that.

But the government can easily subpoena that info if they want to.

They probably don't even have to subpoena it. Just call one of their spook buddies.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-08-20   14:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#32)

We're not doing anything illegal, immoral or un ethical. So why worry about it.

I really believe you understand the world as majiikal charms, faerie-tale princess(es) and "everything works out for the best."

But you deliberately avoid the fascist state watching every god-damned move you make, even if it is a keyboard stroke. If the state waterboards you, you will be the first to give every tid-bit of information to the state to save your own ass.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-08-20   14:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#35)

I just need your information buck. So I will have it stored on here. For the a what was it oh yes that bet we have.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-08-20   15:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#35)

I really believe you understand the world as majiikal charms, faerie-tale princess(es)

“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-08-20   15:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Tooconservative (#22)

Supposedly, the Roku TVs from various small Asian manufacturers give a very comparable Roku experience to their streaming sticks and streaming boxes.

I do have, for instance, a Vizio smart TV. It can do Plex and other streaming stuff. It also spies on a small group of around 8x8 pixels at the lower-righthand corner of the screen and silently uploads that back to Vizio's marketing partners. They can identify with only a small number of uploaded 8x8 frames exactly what program you are watching. That is marketable information.

Needless to say, I've disabled wireless and internet access on my Vizio smart TV. Since all the spying by Vizio became public, they've done nothing to correct this. They are relying on the stupidity or indifference of their customer base to overcome any negative perception of their brand.

I have a Samsung plasma tv,and have no problems of any sort when using my ROKU 3 with it.

Have a Vizio 24 inch smart tv out in my shop,but rarely watch it other than from the RCA HD antenna I put in out there. I get 43 channels from that.

I am hoping to get someone to dig a trench so I can run an ethernet cable out there so I can get streaming video this fall. Nice to have a enclosed area in your workshop where you can relax that has a refrigerator, tv,microwave,ac,heat,and full bath to take breaks in and relax when things aren't going your way.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-20   16:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#33)

I reported myself to that fag human rights watch group a while back. I wanted them to go after me and call me a hate site. I'm not big enough pickings for them.

Damn. Times are rough, man. LOL

That's really funny, AKA.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-20   21:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#34)

But the government can easily subpoena that info if they want to.

Not from a Panama holding company.

You might rightly suspect that NSA could penetrate that info but not much of anyone else, provided you're using a computer free of spyware and trojans.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-20   21:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#38) (Edited)

I am hoping to get someone to dig a trench so I can run an ethernet cable out there so I can get streaming video this fall.

Wow, I thought you finally had some Millenial kid digging that trench last spring.

Outdoor CAT6 cable isn't that much. If it were me, I'd just string it along the ground or go rooftop to rooftop with a tree or pole in the middle. Even that would last many years before sun/wind made the cable fail.

Amazon: Outdoor CAT6 cable

Starting at $52 for a coil of 500 feet. And it can be buried too. You also need to put ends on the cable, that costs about $25 for the crimper and a 100 ethernet plugs (enough to crimp ends on up to 50 cables).

They also have a pre-made ready-to-go 150' CAT6 cable that can be buried when/if you get someone to dig that trench for $80. This one has professional plugs already crimped on to it.

I had in mind you said your outbuilding was only 75' or so from the house so I'm going from that.

Nice to have a enclosed area in your workshop where you can relax that has a refrigerator, tv,microwave,ac,heat,and full bath to take breaks in and relax when things aren't going your way.

Damn, I could have a good time in a setup like that. Just need a lolita or two for back rubs, all real platonic.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-20   21:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#35)

If the state waterboards you, you will be the first to give every tid-bit of information to the state to save your own ass.

I'm pretty sure that AKA would hold out longer than you would. You'd be falling all over yourself to sell out anyone and everyone you could.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-20   21:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#41) (Edited)

For some reason, I was reminded of the movie Pulp Fiction today, probably because I watched Bruce Willis's The Jackal last night. So I wanted to fire it up, one of the best known movies of the Nineties. The Jackal was made in 1997, Pulp Fiction in 1994. Anyway, Bruce Willis still had hair.     : )

And I couldn't find it, though I thought I had a copy. So I had to go grab this one instead from RARBG.

BTW, I run the free Plex Media Server and use it as my own private Netflix. Supports all the streaming sticks and devices (AppleTV, iPhones, tablets, Android, Roku, Chromecast, game consoles), detects and transcodes automatically for each device as needed. Capable of streaming multiple streams; I've had it stream up to a half-dozen streams to various computers and devices at once with no problems. Plex also downloads movie descriptions, cast, and other metadata. It does the same for TV series, including episode descriptions. It's very comparable to Netflix or Hulu or Amazon Prime Video.

Plex just added some DVR features, probably not as good as Pete's ChannelMaster setup but it has a DVR cloud as well. I may buy a little tuner and an antenna just to pull in the most local stations and DVR them. Surely they have a few programs I could stand.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-21   0:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Tooconservative (#41) (Edited)

Wow, I thought you finally had some Millenial kid digging that trench last spring.

I did. Or I thought I did. He seems to have disappeared.

So did the older guy that has been going to do it for at least 3 years,who who tells me every time I see him,"I'll come by next week to do it."

Outdoor CAT6 cable isn't that much. If it were me, I'd just string it along the ground or go rooftop to rooftop with a tree or pole in the middle. Even that would last many years before sun/wind made the cable fail.

Amazon: Outdoor CAT6 cable

Starting at $52 for a coil of 500 feet. And it can be buried too. You also need to put ends on the cable, that costs about $25 for the crimper and a 100 ethernet plugs (enough to crimp ends on up to 50 cables).

I already have the cable,the ends,and the crimpers. I even have PCV pipe to run the cable though,and a snake to pull it through with. I just can't hire anybody to dig a damn trench 50 feet long and a foot deep. Hate like hell to hire somebody with a backhoe to come here and dig it for me,but it seems like that's the only way I will ever get it done.

Bad back,bad knees,and COPD means I can't do it myself with a shovel anymore. I did have a cable laying in the yard that ran from the house to the shop,but the kid I hired to cut grass the last time I was really sick ran across it with the riding mower despite me telling him to not run over it.

I like grass. I like the way it looks,I like the way it smells,I like the fact it feeds various critters as well as helps create oxygen,but am seriously considering just covering my whole yard with gravel because I am just getting too damn crippled and old to keep up with it. Since I can't hire anybody to cut the grass,it might either do that or sell out and move to a city somewhere.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-21   10:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Tooconservative (#43) (Edited)

BTW, I run the free Plex Media Server and use it as my own private Netflix. Supports all the streaming sticks and devices (AppleTV, iPhones, tablets, Android, Roku, Chromecast, game consoles), detects and transcodes automatically for each device as needed. Capable of streaming multiple streams; I've had it stream up to a half-dozen streams to various computers and devices at once with no problems. Plex also downloads movie descriptions, cast, and other metadata. It does the same for TV series, including episode descriptions. It's very comparable to Netflix or Hulu or Amazon Prime Video.

Plex just added some DVR features, probably not as good as Pete's ChannelMaster setup but it has a DVR cloud as well. I may buy a little tuner and an antenna just to pull in the most local stations and DVR them. Surely they have a few programs I could stand.

Thanks for the tip.

I don't see Plex as being comparable with my Channel Master,though. The Channel Master is a channel tuner/DVR with TIVO that is organized like the dish controller DVR's you get from the sat dish companies.

Plex is a software program that organizes your media as it downloads it,and I suspect you could use in addition to a channel master tuner. Let the CM organize and control your broadcast tv,and then let the Plex software organize and control all your streaming media.

You know a lot more about this technical stuff than I do,so you would be a better judge of if what I just suggested is doable,and the best way to do it.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-21   10:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: sneakypete (#44)

I already have the cable,the ends,and the crimpers. I even have PCV pipe to run the cable though,and a snake to pull it through with. I just can't hire anybody to dig a damn trench 50 feet long and a foot deep. Hate like hell to hire somebody with a backhoe to come here and dig it for me,but it seems like that's the only way I will ever get it done.

Maybe you could get someone with one of those small non-riding Ditch Witch units to come out. Just a thought. Would take less time to ditch it than to load/unload the unit from a trailer.

eBay: Ditch Witch Trenchers

I'm seeing prices for these at $2,000-$4,000 for good used machines. Sometimes, you see plumbers with one or even electricians. For that matter, you might check your local rent-it center to see if you could rent one and hire someone to run it for you for an hour.

I like grass. I like the way it looks,I like the way it smells,I like the fact it feeds various critters as well as helps create oxygen,but am seriously considering just covering my whole yard with gravel because I am just getting too damn crippled and old to keep up with it. Since I can't hire anybody to cut the grass,it might either do that or sell out and move to a city somewhere.

Don't go too far. You could gravel the parts of lawn that are irregular and harder to mow and just use one of those new electric robot mowers to keep the open areas in grass nice and neat.

Amazon: Robotic Lawn Mowers

Amazon is really peddling the very pricey Husqvarnas. There are some other good choices out there. A $3500 Husqvarna is guaranteed to cope with even the most complex lawns once it is "trained" where to mow. That sounds like overkill. You could get rid of the most gnarly bits of the lawn and do fine with a robot mower under $1000, I bet.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-21   10:49:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Tooconservative (#46)

eBay: Ditch Witch Trenchers

Thanks,I know all about ditch witches,but I had no idea the prices had dropped so low. I might buy one to do it myself,and then sell it.

Thanks for the tip!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-21   18:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete, Tooconservative (#47)

Thanks,I know all about ditch witches,but I had no idea the prices had dropped so low. I might buy one to do it myself,and then sell it.

Have you looked into renting a Ditch Witch?

Also, I see upstream that this is talking about 75' to stream video. That can be done wirelessly with a powerful router and box (Amazon Fire or Roku Ultimate) using AC wireless 5 GHZ band.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-21   20:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: nolu chan (#48)

Have you looked into renting a Ditch Witch?

Don't forget to call 811 before digging.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-08-21   20:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#48) (Edited)

Also, I see upstream that this is talking about 75' to stream video. That can be done wirelessly with a powerful router and box (Amazon Fire or Roku Ultimate) using AC wireless 5 GHZ band.

He's got a metal outbuilding that is apparently impervious to a decent wireless signal in either WiFi band. We explored all that quite a while back with lots of options (putting the router in the window facing the shop, putting a WAP in the window of the shop to receive the signal, etc. And pete is quite the Roku junkie already.

Before you go further, keep in mind that we're not there, we don't know his router setup, etc. We can't fix it for him from such a distance. There could be some interference problems we don't know about.

A wired connection is more of a pain but it will definitely solve his problem. He has a ChannelMaster DVR setup he likes and he'll be able to stream off that to his shop as well as use Roku smoothly once he gets his shop wired. Wireless is okay but it really is not fast enough to make you happy. What works really well, IMO, is a gigabit ethernet connection. Then it all runs very smoothly, FF/rewind, whatever. It all Just Works with gigabit connections.

Pete's been trying to get this project done for a couple of years but people won't dig his ditch for him.

I think you are right though that someone could be hired for a $200-$300 to bring a little Ditch Witch to the property and dig the trench for him. My first thought would be a plumber or an electrician who is set up to do outdoor electrical cable.

Pete has the PVC pipe to run the cable, has the cable, the RJ ends, the crimper. So an electrician (or plumber) with a Ditch Witch would be a good bet to dig the trench and to lay the pipe with the cable in it.

It might cost up to $500 to do the job with the trench and the PVC but it would be done and he could just enjoy internet, Roku, ChannelMaster and streaming services in his shop. It would be worth it.

Pete could at least get an estimate from a few local electricians to see what they would charge him.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-21   21:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete (#50)

He's got a metal outbuilding that is apparently impervious to a decent wireless signal in either WiFi band. We explored all that quite a while back with lots of options (putting the router in the window facing the shop, putting a WAP in the window of the shop to receive the signal, etc. And pete is quite the Roku junkie already.

Before you go further, keep in mind that we're not there, we don't know his router setup, etc. We can't fix it for him from such a distance. There could be some interference problems we don't know about.

A wired connection is more of a pain but it will definitely solve his problem. He has a ChannelMaster DVR setup he likes and he'll be able to stream off that to his shop as well as use Roku smoothly once he gets his shop wired. Wireless is okay but it really is not fast enough to make you happy. What works really well, IMO, is a gigabit ethernet connection. Then it all runs very smoothly, FF/rewind, whatever. It all Just Works with gigabit connections.

Pete's been trying to get this project done for a couple of years but people won't dig his ditch for him.

My sole knowledge of a Ditch Witch is my plumber (my brother) rented one for a day in 2000 and dug a ditch with it. I never saw the Ditch Witch, I only saw the ditch after the fact. I have no recollection of the rental cost, but thought the possibility of a rental might be of interest.

Wired connection is superior to wireless. Wireless may offer a convenience factor, but not performance superior to hardwiring.

Wireless is fast enough to make me happy. However, the modem and router are not something the cable company provided and installed. I throw HD Netflix and Amazon Prime flawlessly through two walls at about 70 feet to the Amazon Fire in a bedroom without a repeater (which surprised me when I set it up). I also use a Roku Ultimate, and previously a Roku 3.

It was just part of my cord-cutting adventure.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-22   0:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: nolu chan (#51)

Wireless is fast enough to make me happy. However, the modem and router are not something the cable company provided and installed. I throw HD Netflix and Amazon Prime flawlessly through two walls at about 70 feet to the Amazon Fire in a bedroom without a repeater (which surprised me when I set it up). I also use a Roku Ultimate, and previously a Roku 3.

That is pretty good reception for wireless.

These new AC routers with multiple antennae can do pretty amazing stuff with their beam-forming capabilities to increase range and signal strength through walls.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-22   6:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Tooconservative, Nolu chan (#52)

These new AC routers with multiple antennae can do pretty amazing stuff with their beam-forming capabilities to increase range and signal strength through walls.

My works shop is a metal building,so shooting wi-fi out there ain't going to happen. That's why I am burying an Ethernet cable in pipe from the house to the shop.

I do use wi-fi in the house,but it's all in the same room. I guess I could go ahead and run a ethernet cable overhead and then down to my pc/tv/roku/channel master,but it seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-22   11:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tooconservative, Nolu chan, All, *Science and technology* (#53)

My works shop is a metal building,so shooting wi-fi out there ain't going to happen.

BTW,the steel in my workshop is thick enough (it's 1850 sq ft) that the only cell phones I have ever found that work out there are LG phones.I've tried 3 other brands and can't call out or get a call in with any of them.

I am now on my 4th LG phone,and when it comes to making or sending calls inside my shop,I might as well be standing outside in the yard as in the shop.

Little tech tip for any of you who sometimes have trouble sending or receiving a phone call.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-22   12:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: sneakypete (#54)

Cellphones just don't like steel buildings.

You can do an exterior antenna booster. Wilson makes good stuff starting around $300. People use them if they live in mountains or valleys too or if they are just distant from a cell tower or if they can't get a good signal throughout their house. One thing: you never get a better signal inside that building than you get on the roof where you put the antenna. For all their claims, they don't actually amplify the signal, they just convey it inside.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-22   16:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Tooconservative (#55)

You can do an exterior antenna booster. Wilson makes good stuff starting around $300.

Seems cheaper and easier to just buy a LG. I paid less than 80 bucks each for the last two LG smart phones that I bought.

I have one with it's own number that I use for stuff like ebay and craigs list,or to give to people I don't know well,and the other one has my main number that I give to no one but financial organizations,close friends,and family.

The one that is for ebay and similar stuff mostly sits turned off. When I need to use it,I call up and buy a block of air time. Even when I have air time remaining on it I usually keep it turned off. That way I am not being awakened at night or early in the morning by people trying to sell me condos,and I almost never get a unknown caller phone call on my daily carry phone.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-23   10:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete (#56)

Sounds like you have the issue well in hand.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-23   11:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete (#50)

It might cost up to $500 to do the job with the trench and the PVC but it would be done and he could just enjoy internet, Roku, ChannelMaster and streaming services in his shop.

Is that ChannelMaster in the shop or in the house, 75 feet away?

If it is in the house, working the remote control from the shop may be an issue. I may have misunderstood, but it sounded like streaming recorded material from the house was being considered.

Before I would dig a $500 ditch, I would buy a 100 foot cable and see if my system was speedy enough to throw an HD video signal across that length of cable and maintain a solid connection. Might as well check before paying for the ditch.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-24   2:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: nolu chan (#58)

Is that ChannelMaster in the shop or in the house, 75 feet away?

It's in the house,but I have a Smart TV in the shop with it's own tuner I can plug the Ethernet cord into. In fact,I have a router in there that will allow me to plug several auxiliary devices into it. Including my old Roku 3.

I may have misunderstood, but it sounded like streaming recorded material from the house was being considered.

Not so much. Haven't really thought about it and not sure I need to. I can stream and watch pretty much anything I want,and if I want to record it,I see no reason why I can't record it to a portable hard drive out there. I also don't see why I would want to record anything out there when I am already recording it in the house.. I don't need two recordings of the same shows.

Besides,I don't really live out in the shop and will be only using my "office" for a break room with a toilet,shower,and hot water. When I need to take a break to figure something out,get tired,etc,etc,etc,I can go into the "office" and have a snack,a cup of coffee,and watch a little tv to relax. I also have a hammock in the office I can hang up and crawl into if I need to so some serious relaxing. It makes no difference at all if I stay out there all night,or come to the house as far as comfort and supplying my needs goes. Think "bigger house with all my cool stuff and tools". Also,I am one of those weird people that start feeling my sharpest around 9 or 10 PM,and I seem to think clearer and am more happy and productive at night when there are no distractions and I can focus on what I am doing. Back when I was building Harley choppers in the early 70's I used to start work around 9 PM,and it seemed like the next thing I knew the sun was coming up without me even being conscious of time passing. I tend to get pissed off when people interrupt me when I am working,so working all night really works for me.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-24   9:09:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete, nolu chan (#59)

According to this ChannelMaster DVR+ page, you can stream from the ChannelMaster DVR to Roku devices on your network. If so, that would solve at least some of Pete's problems. You assume the Roku app would communicate over the network to the DVR to issue commands to use the GUI, stream recorded content, stream live content, display a channel guide or a recorded programs list, and to support the play/pause/FF/rewind functions.

I haven't actually looked at my Roku app store for any ChannelMaster app though.

Perhaps Pete can check it out and let us know if Roku has a ChannelMaster streaming app and if it works with his ChannelMaster DVR in the house before he goes further with ditching an ethernet cable. You really need a decent streaming box out in the shop to make this work the way he wants. I think Pete might be fairly content with just his online streaming like Amazon Prime or Netflix and using the web browser out in his shop. But he certainly wants to stream off his ChannelMaster DVR if he can. He'd be happy as a pig in mud.

ChannelMaster faces competitors that do offer streaming via Roku/Fire/AppleTV and their tablet/phone cousins. They started offering more whole-home streaming features in early 2016. I'm not sure how much they've gotten done. I know they did add SlingTV compatibility so you could integrate that and use the SlingTV to stream around the house and also record the SlingTV content.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-24   11:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete (#60) (Edited)

[sneakypete #59] Haven't really thought about it and not sure I need to. I can stream and watch pretty much anything I want, and if I want to record it, I see no reason why I can't record it to a portable hard drive out there. I also don't see why I would want to record anything out there when I am already recording it in the house.. I don't need two recordings of the same shows.

The questions are whether you can effectively stream what you want to the shop, with a solid signal, and control the Channel Master.

I was not considering recording at the shop. As the Channel Master was mentioned, I took it that you wanted to view things in the shop while sending them using the Channel Master in the house. The Channel Master remote control is not going to work from the shop. You may wind up walking back and forth from the shop to the house, to change channels or start a new recorded show.

If the internet is connected to a Roku in the shop, it works independent of the Channel Master. That could all work off the Roku remote in the shop.

If you can stream Channel Master TV recordings from the hard drive independent of the Channel Master, no problem.

However, doing anything via the Channel Master, could be a bother out in the shop if you have no way to control the Channel Master.

[Tooconservative #60] You assume the Roku app would communicate over the network to the DVR to issue commands to use the GUI, stream recorded content, stream live content, display a channel guide or a recorded programs list, and to support the play/pause/FF/rewind functions.

I haven't actually looked at my Roku app store for any ChannelMaster app though.

Perhaps Pete can check it out....

Before investing in a $500 ditch, checking it out should only involve buying a cable. It can just be dumped on the floor of the house, it does not have to go to the shop, just beyond line of sight, or not using the Channel Master hand-held remote.

The object of the exercise would be just to check that the signal is enough to travel through the required length of cable and sustain a steady connection, and there is some means of controling the Channel Master without using the handheld remote.

Roku has apps for online streaming services, the ones that do cable channels, but Channel Master is OTA. Roku does have the following:

Roku Media Player
PLEX
Playstation Vue
DirecTV Now
Tablo
Sling

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https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/C1K+tNMi2yS.pdf

Channel Master DVR+ User Guide

http://downloads.channelmaster.com/Sheets/DVR%2B+Product+Sheet.pdf

Channel Master DVR+ Product Sheet

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-24   19:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: nolu chan (#61)

The channel master is really a non-issue for me. I bought it before I had a smart tv. If you have a smart tv,you don't really need a CM if you have a ROKU.

I have a ROKU and a smart tv,and a 1 TB portable HD in the shop,so I'm good to go once I get the ethernet cable ran out there. Already getting good tv on the RCA HD Antenna. The ethernet cable will get me streaming video.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-24   22:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: sneakypete (#62)

I have a ROKU and a smart tv,and a 1 TB portable HD in the shop,so I'm good to go once I get the ethernet cable ran out there. Already getting good tv on the RCA HD Antenna. The ethernet cable will get me streaming video.

As long as you're happy. I just didn't want you to get any untimely surprise.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-24   22:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: nolu chan, sneakypete (#61)

Roku has apps for online streaming services, the ones that do cable channels, but Channel Master is OTA. Roku does have the following:

After searching various sites, I've come to the same conclusion. Channel Master's DVR Plus doesn't seem able to stream its content over a local network. And it uses some file format that is incompatible with other software, so you can't just move the drive to your computer and get the recordings you want. It's a system that really does lock you in.

Channel Master did introduce a $90 widget in early 2016 that can stream live TV over the local network but they have chosen not to introduce those features to the DVR Plus.

You could use a newer model SlingTV with the DVR Plus and it would stream over LAN that way. But a SlingTV widget isn't very cheap.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-25   8:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete (#64)

It might be time for a cord-cutting thread to discuss available alternatives in general.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-25   18:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: nolu chan (#65)

It might be time for a cord-cutting thread to discuss available alternatives in general.

It's been time for that for a while now.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-28   20:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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