Title: *BRUTAL TRUTH DEBATE*: Christian vs. Muslim; Christ vs. Muhammad/Bible vs. Koran (Fascinating Listen) Source:
You Tube URL Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVU3 ... ist&p=8DF2F55C1F8C5A75&index=2 Published:Feb 28, 2008 Author:Dave Hunt Post Date:2009-12-13 03:17:12 by Liberator Keywords:Christianity, Islam, debate Views:68273 Comments:164
This is a debate between Dave Hunt and Shabir Ally in Toronto Canada in 2008. Christianity vs. Islam.
Hunt's credentials and scholarship are impeccable as is his courage. As the author of over 4,000,000 books (of which three I own), you will see and hear him NOT mince any words about the deeply flawed Muhammad, and how deeply flawed the Koran is. No candy-coated PC-Speak here.
He compares and contrasts the Koran vs. Bible convincingly, with conviction and armed with facts. Chances are none of us will ever see another non-compromising debate of this kind ever.
This is Part 3 which blends seamlessly into Part 4, into Part 5 and so on. Hunt's politely yet firmly continues to delve into the stark differences between the two belief systems.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know your self but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle ~ The Art of War, Sun Tzu
Is terrorism the enemy or is Islam the enemy – “Both” is not an answer.
You are just another ignorant fool or a whore for islam.
Do you even know what islam and it's "holy" books teach about how moo slums MUST treat ALL non- islamic peoples of the world?
Do you even know what islam's own histories say about what it has done to the "dar al-harb"?
It certainly IS true that for ALL non-islamic peoples of the world, and for most islamic peoples of the world, islam IS 'terrorism". (What is the punishment for conversion from islam genius?, how are islam's women and children treated like genius?)
I wouldn't rate your intellect nearly as high as that of even a stoned "adolescent", and I d@mned sure don't care what it "does" for you chump.
I'll reply to your expected answers sometime tomorrow, you caught me as I was going out the door.
… “expected answers” …
Please don't be surprised when the answers you “expect” do not arrive – and don’t bother to wait for them.
The norm for the practice of social intercourse prohibits me from accepting a bully’s claim that his views are correct or that he has the right to expect anything - because he simply thinks he has the strength and propensity to violence, to attack a poster’s comments.
Therefore, I cannot exchange thoughts and opinions with you until you learn to develop and to exhibit a tone of civility in your approach to sharing information.
Should you have an interest in conducting an intelligent discussion, then I will join you in that and you may now make your attempt at a courteous exchange.
However, if you are interested in continuing to act like an a**, then you are doing an excellent job and you can continue alone in your quest to exceed your current level - and move on to achieve far greater supremacy, but you will do that with someone other than me.
In closing, may I say that evidence of the arrogance you display is exceeded only by your attempt at the use of fevered language.
MD; I'll reply to your expected answers sometime tomorrow, you caught me as I was going out the door.
T; … “expected answers” …
Please don't be surprised when the answers you “expect” do not arrive – and don’t bother to wait for them.
The norm for the practice of social intercourse prohibits me from accepting a bully’s claim that his views are correct or that he has the right to expect anything - because he simply thinks he has the strength and propensity to violence, to attack a poster’s comments.
Therefore, I cannot exchange thoughts and opinions with you until you learn to develop and to exhibit a tone of civility in your approach to sharing information.
Should you have an interest in conducting an intelligent discussion, then I will join you in that and you may now make your attempt at a courteous exchange.
However, if you are interested in continuing to act like an a**, then you are doing an excellent job and you can continue alone in your quest to exceed your current level - and move on to achieve far greater supremacy, but you will do that with someone other than me.
In closing, may I say that evidence of the arrogance you display is exceeded only by your attempt at the use of fevered language.
Good luck – Sir - I wish you well.
Sigh ...
I meant that I expected you to answer. I made no comment on what you would answer with. I'm not God, I can't see the future.
"Bully"? Why because you pull your ideas about what islam is out of thin air and I have actually READ about it and I actually know what it's history and dogma and traditional practices are and I object to your ignorant nonsense re: islam?
When you want to discuss things it is adult behavior to actually know FACTS about the subject.
It is not a matter of me being "superior" it is about the actual FACTS vice the absolutely brain dead sheeple delusions about a very great threat to US ALL.
I don't give a rusty F if you are offended by me b!tch slapping you with the TRUTH.
Maybe that will wake you up?
What is truly ARROGANT is talking bullsh!t in a life and death matter and then posing as the wronged and offended party when you get called on it.
Grow F ing up.
I also don't give a rusty F if you don't care for my vocabulary and syntax.
As you search for the reality, may you find strength and solace to comprehend this profound revelation. Let yourself cry knowing each tear is a note of love rising to the heavens above. Learn to lean on your friends for strength and support to avoid unilateral or selective reaction as you continue your burden in life.
You TRYING to lecture me then acting worse than I have has a name.
"Do as I say, NOT as I DO" is called HYPOCRISY.
Keep your attempts to pose as having ANY sort of "moral" superiority aimed at small children and dumb animals, you mealy mouthed hypocrite, they will believe you.
Ignore the insulting tongue. Duck the provoking blow. Run from the assault of the strong. The wild boar runs from the tiger, knowing that each be well-armed by nature with deadly strength, may kill the other. Running, he saves his own life and that of the tiger. This is not cowardice. It is the love of life. -- Master Kahn
"You TRYING to lecture me then acting worse than I have has a name.
"Do as I say, NOT as I DO" is called HYPOCRISY.
Keep your attempts to pose as having ANY sort of "moral" superiority aimed at small children and dumb animals, you mealy mouthed hypocrite, they will believe you."
I want to ask you the same series of questions I posted on another thread. This is what ever you wish to call it. I call it food for thought.
Jews don't celebrate Christmas. A lot of people don't celebrate Christmas. Did you know that only approx 33% of the worlds population consider themselves Christian? 22% consider themselves Muslim. The number of people who convert to Islam is growing at a much faster rate than those converting to Christianity. About 76% of Americans consider themselves of a Christian faith of one denominations or another. The nuber who chose basic Christianity is much less than that, approx 2/3 less.
So, if Obama chooses not to celebrate Christmas the way your average Christian does, why would that bother you? Do we not have the freedom to choose our own religion in the US? Furthermore, why would you be suprised? You already know what type of bigoted "Christian" church he attended for many years. Did you actually believe he was a real Christian and therefore would hold the same Christian values that real Christians hold?
This leads me to another question. Do you think the only presidents we should ever elect should be those of a Christian faith? What about Mormons? Are they eligible? Jews? Buhddists? Hindus? Pagans? Wiccans? Muslims? In a world were we are to be free and be able to freely practice our religions of choice, should we now ban some religions and not others? And who gets to determine which ones are allowed and which ones are not? In China, the Government is officially athiest. It took some time to get them to accept some religions, but others are still banned. Should we do the same in America? Or should Christianity be considered the official religion of the US? So which is it? We would be hypocrits in the eyes of Jesus if we preach such freedoms and pass laws to limit them at the same time. We would surely be damned to hell for such practices.
I want to ask you the same series of questions I posted on another thread. This is what ever you wish to call it. I call it food for thought.
1.) Jews don't celebrate Christmas. A lot of people don't celebrate Christmas. Did you know that only approx 33% of the worlds population consider themselves Christian? 22% consider themselves Muslim. The number of people who convert to Islam is growing at a much faster rate than those converting to Christianity. About 76% of Americans consider themselves of a Christian faith of one denominations or another. The nuber who chose basic Christianity is much less than that, approx 2/3 less.
2.) So, if Obama chooses not to celebrate Christmas the way your average Christian does, why would that bother you? Do we not have the freedom to choose our own religion in the US? Furthermore, why would you be suprised? You already know what type of bigoted "Christian" church he attended for many years. Did you actually believe he was a real Christian and therefore would hold the same Christian values that real Christians hold?
3.) This leads me to another question. Do you think the only presidents we should ever elect should be those of a Christian faith? What about Mormons? Are they eligible? Jews? Buhddists? Hindus? Pagans? Wiccans? Muslims? In a world were we are to be free and be able to freely practice our religions of choice, should we now ban some religions and not others? And who gets to determine which ones are allowed and which ones are not? In China, the Government is officially athiest. It took some time to get them to accept some religions, but others are still banned. Should we do the same in America? Or should Christianity be considered the official religion of the US? So which is it? We would be hypocrits in the eyes of Jesus if we preach such freedoms and pass laws to limit them at the same time. We would surely be damned to hell for such practices.
1.) That is not correct, many Jews do "celebrate" Christmas. In fact many non-Christians worldwide "celebrate" Christmas. Again you post numbers without citing the sources. So those numbers in this discussion mean absolutely nothing.
I note that you totally ignore the effects of the fact that all children born to islamic parents are considered to be moo slums by islam, and that the penalty for islamic apostacy is death, effects on the inflated numbers claimed by islam.
But really no matter what, so what? Who cares?
What happens between an individual and GOD is not my business. I see no biblical requirement to "celebrate" Christmas, where do YOU see it?
2.) LOL! It is important because he CLAIMS to be a "mainstream American Christian" and "mainstream American Christians" by and large celebrate Christmas. Of course he has the right to be whatever he wants to be. But if he is not a "main stream Christian" he LIED to America.
It is also important because no matter how you gin up the numbers, the vast majority of Americans ARE self professed Christians, and the messiah "king" obammy by breaking this specific TRADITION is purposely insulting us all.
I never believed that that stalinist scum was anything but the enemy of ALL things American. I wouldn't believe him if he said that it was daylight at high noon.
Do you know the difference between the messiah "king" obammy and GOD?
GOD doesn't think that he is obammy.
LOL!
3.) Already mostly answered.
There is no official religion of America, and that is one of the basic ideas of America since our founding. I certainly don't support such nonsense. Nor does anybody or any religion, (except islam and moo slums of course).
But I don't think that any moo slum should hold any position of public power and trust.
Would you have supported a Japanese American presidential candidate during WW2?
If so, you really are a deluded Polly Annish PC fool imo.
"The bill of rights is NOT a suicide pact."
Btw; don't you even TRY to speak for Jesus. Jesus hates satan, and islam is the tool of satan IMO.
Well...You've turned out to be quite the hypocrit. That's not very Christian- like.
Jesus loves everyone, including his enemies. He has stated that.
Thanks for proving you too are incapable of addressing legitamate questions and concerns.
Hypocrites! It was you Isaiah meant when he so rightly prophesied: “This people honors me only with lip service / while their hearts are far from me. / The worship they offer me is worthless; / the doctrines they teach are only human regulations.”24 He called the people to him and said, “Listen, and understand. What goes into the mouth does not make a man unclean; it is what comes out of the mouth that makes him unclean. . . . For things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and it is these that make a man unclean. For from the heart come evil intentions. . . . But to eat with unwashed hands does not make a man unclean.”25 . . . “Alas for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You who are like whitewashed tombs that look handsome on the outside, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and every kind of corruption. In the same way you appear to people from the outside like good honest men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.”
That you can not even see your own hypocrisy says so much about who you really are. I suggest you refresh your memory on what Jesus had commanded you to do.
