Title: *BRUTAL TRUTH DEBATE*: Christian vs. Muslim; Christ vs. Muhammad/Bible vs. Koran (Fascinating Listen) Source:
You Tube URL Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVU3 ... ist&p=8DF2F55C1F8C5A75&index=2 Published:Feb 28, 2008 Author:Dave Hunt Post Date:2009-12-13 03:17:12 by Liberator Keywords:Christianity, Islam, debate Views:72543 Comments:164
This is a debate between Dave Hunt and Shabir Ally in Toronto Canada in 2008. Christianity vs. Islam.
Hunt's credentials and scholarship are impeccable as is his courage. As the author of over 4,000,000 books (of which three I own), you will see and hear him NOT mince any words about the deeply flawed Muhammad, and how deeply flawed the Koran is. No candy-coated PC-Speak here.
He compares and contrasts the Koran vs. Bible convincingly, with conviction and armed with facts. Chances are none of us will ever see another non-compromising debate of this kind ever.
This is Part 3 which blends seamlessly into Part 4, into Part 5 and so on. Hunt's politely yet firmly continues to delve into the stark differences between the two belief systems.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know your self but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle ~ The Art of War, Sun Tzu
Is terrorism the enemy or is Islam the enemy – “Both” is not an answer.
You are just another ignorant fool or a whore for islam.
Do you even know what islam and it's "holy" books teach about how moo slums MUST treat ALL non- islamic peoples of the world?
Do you even know what islam's own histories say about what it has done to the "dar al-harb"?
It certainly IS true that for ALL non-islamic peoples of the world, and for most islamic peoples of the world, islam IS 'terrorism". (What is the punishment for conversion from islam genius?, how are islam's women and children treated like genius?)
I wouldn't rate your intellect nearly as high as that of even a stoned "adolescent", and I d@mned sure don't care what it "does" for you chump.
You mean besides his several wives? That he was a pedophile who married a six-year old child? That he thought he was going insane when receiving his "revelations" from Satan? That he slaughtered by the bushelful? That he condoned murder and violence as it best served his own selfish greed and lust, and by piece-meal added to the Koran? that he was a Liar? That he actually admired and respected the Jews early on?
have fun comparing Evil Incarnate with Jesus Christ. HEY! Maybe you can learn something from Dave Hunt and the debate.....Naaaaah.....
You mean besides his several wives? That he was a pedophile who married a six-year old child? That he thought he was going insane when receiving his "revelations" from Satan? That he slaughtered by the bushelful? That he condoned murder and violence as it best served his own selfish greed and lust, and by piece-meal added to the Koran? that he was a Liar? That he actually admired and respected the Jews early on?
Way wrong. Muhammad had only one wife. His revelations came from God. He was recognized as a prophet by a Christian Monk. He was the last known prophet. He slaughtered no one. You can't even spell Qur'an. You are ignorant. Let's hope that ignorance gets you to heaven.
Way wrong. Muhammad had only one wife. His revelations came from God. He was recognized as a prophet by a Christian Monk. He was the last known prophet. He slaughtered no one. You can't even spell Qur'an. You are ignorant. Let's hope that ignorance gets you to heaven.
WRong! Muhammad had 15 wives,
Even biographer Muhammad Husayn Haykal tacitly acknowledged the superiority of monogamy when he affirmed that “the happiness of the family and that of the community can best be served by the limitations which monogamy imposes” (294). Muhammad’s relationships with his wives are themselves an argument against polygamy. The wives went so far as to plot against him. This is understandable in that Muhammad often ignored some of his wives, and avoided others on many occasions (ibid., 436). He adds, “Indeed, favoritism for some of his wives had created such controversy and antagonism among the ‘Mothers of the Believers’ that Muhammad once thought of divorcing some of them” (ibid., 437). All of this falls short of an exemplary moral situation in principle and practice. Even if polygamy, as taught in the Qur’an, is deemed morally right, there remains another serious problem. Muhammad received a revelation from God that a man should have no more than four wives at once, yet he had many more. A Muslim defender of Muhammad, writing in The Prophet of Islam as the Ideal Husband, admitted that he had fifteen wives. Yet he tells others they may have only four. How can someone be a perfect moral example and not live by one of the basic laws he laid down for others as from God?
The Muslim answer is unconvincing. Muhammad received a “revelation” that God had made an exception for him but not for anyone else. He quotes God as saying: “Prophet! We have Made lawful to thee Thy wives . . . ; And any believing women Who dedicates her soul To the Prophet if the Prophet Wishes to wed her;” but adds quickly, “—this Only for thee, and not For the Believers” (sura 33:50). What is more, Muslims believe (based on sura 4:3b and other teachings) that they may have an unlimited number of concubines, especially among those they conquer in war. This was, no doubt, a powerful motivation for success on the battlefield.
Geisler, N. L. (1999). Baker encyclopedia of Christian apologetics. Baker reference library (507). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.
According to Aisha, one of his wives, Muhammad had only one wife in the beginning. That wife was Khadija. He was monogamous. He had a great love for her. When she died, Muhammad collected more wives. One account of the Qur'an says he had 9 wives. Another account states he had 11.
Here is a list of wives of Mohammed by the Muslim scholar Ali Dashti. He probably based much of this on an earlier list in the History of al-Tabari vol.9 p.126-241. It should be mentioned that scholars and Hadiths are not entirely agreed on the wives of Mohammed. For example some hadiths (not Bukhari or Sahih Muslim) mention a couple of wives of Mohammed that he divorced, and these are not shown here. Nonetheless, Ali Dashti’s list, while perhaps not entirely agreed upon as being comprehensive, shows many of the wives. Following this is the evidence from the hadiths, independent of Ali Dashti, for these relationships. 1. Khadija/Khadijah bint Khuwailid/Khywaylid - died first 2. Sauda/Sawda bint Zam’a 3. 'Aisha/Aesha/’A’ishah - 8 to 9 yrs old, 2nd wife 'Aisha's Slaves 'Aisha and the Battle of the Camel 4. Omm/’Umm Salama/Salamah 5. Hafsa/Hafsah 6. Zaynab/Zainab of Jahsh 7. Juwairiya/Jowayriya bint Harith (captive)
9. Safiya/Safiyya bint Huyai/Huyayy bint Akhtab (captive) 10. Maymuna/Maimuna of Hareth 11. Fatima/Fatema/Fatimah (briefly) 12. Hend/Hind (widow) 13. Asma of Saba (Sana bint Asma') 14. Zaynab of Khozayma 15. Habla? 16. Divorced Asma of Noman / bint al-Nu’man ¾slaves / concubines ¾ 17. Mary the Copt/Christian 18. Rayhana/Raihana/Rayhanah bint Zayd/Zaid ¾uncertain relationship - 19. Divorced Omm Sharik 20. Maymuna/Maimuna (slave girl?) 21. Zaynab/Zainab the third? 22. Khawla / Khawlah 23. Divorced Mulaykah bint Dawud 24. Divorced al-Shanba’ bint ‘Amr 25. Divorced al-‘Aliyyah 26. Divorced ‘Amrah bint Yazid 27. Divorced an Unnamed Woman 28. Qutaylah bint Qays (died right away) 29. Sana bint Sufyan 30. Sharaf bint Khalifah 31. Women of Mohammed’s Right Hand Mohammed Turned Some Women Down Some Women Turned Mohammed Down
¾ Ali Dashti missed at least nine possible other wives.
