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Title: *BRUTAL TRUTH DEBATE*: Christian vs. Muslim; Christ vs. Muhammad/Bible vs. Koran (Fascinating Listen)
Source: You Tube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVU3 ... ist&p=8DF2F55C1F8C5A75&index=2
Published: Feb 28, 2008
Author: Dave Hunt
Post Date: 2009-12-13 03:17:12 by Liberator
Keywords: Christianity, Islam, debate
Views: 69517
Comments: 164

This is a debate between Dave Hunt and Shabir Ally in Toronto Canada in 2008. Christianity vs. Islam.

Hunt's credentials and scholarship are impeccable as is his courage. As the author of over 4,000,000 books (of which three I own), you will see and hear him NOT mince any words about the deeply flawed Muhammad, and how deeply flawed the Koran is. No candy-coated PC-Speak here.

He compares and contrasts the Koran vs. Bible convincingly, with conviction and armed with facts. Chances are none of us will ever see another non-compromising debate of this kind ever.

This is Part 3 which blends seamlessly into Part 4, into Part 5 and so on. Hunt's politely yet firmly continues to delve into the stark differences between the two belief systems.

Something to learn for everyone.

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#105. To: Mad Dog (#104)

Do you think the Lord Jesus Christ would be saddened by the hatred that some professed “Christians” have for the unsaved? Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ extends love and mercy to all people of the earth?

Do you believe that the Lord God loves all people?

Answer the questions - Are you afreaid to?

Sure you are ...

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   2:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Mad Dog (#104)

I am waiting - BIG MOUTH - for you to answer the questions...

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   2:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Mad Dog (#104)

esse quam videri

esse quam videri
To be, rather than to seem to be

To be a coward,
rather than to seem to be a coward

Got it …

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   2:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: All (#103)

Tater has putted, and has left the birdie putt way short.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   2:33:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Tater (#102)

You do realize that my handle is just a nickname and not who or what I really am don't you wingnut?

I don't play games with disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, bipolar aholes like you once I realize what you really are.

Lithium, I recommend you take lots and lots of LITHIUM, (of course check with your healthcare provider first).

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-14   2:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: All (#104)

O-M-G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mad Dog has putted AWAY from the hole!

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   2:34:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Tater (#105)

LOL!

LITHIUM!

"You do realize that my handle is just a nickname and not who or what I really am don't you wingnut?

I don't play games with disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, bipolar aholes like you once I realize what you really are.

Lithium, I recommend you take lots and lots of LITHIUM, (of course check with your healthcare provider first)."

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-14   2:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Mad Dog (#109)

Simple question, Mad Dog:

Why do some hate?
What is the Christian thing to do when some Christians hate?

Simple answer will do ...

No Balls?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   2:37:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Tater (#106)

LOL!

LITHIUM!

"You do realize that my handle is just a nickname and not who or what I really am don't you wingnut?

I don't play games with disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, bipolar aholes like you once I realize what you really are.

Lithium, I recommend you take lots and lots of LITHIUM, (of course check with your healthcare provider first)."

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-14   2:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Tater (#107)

"LOL!

LITHIUM!"

"You do realize that my handle is just a nickname and not who or what I really am don't you wingnut?

I don't play games with disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, bipolar aholes like you once I realize what you really are.

Lithium, I recommend you take lots and lots of LITHIUM, (of course check with your healthcare provider first)."

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-14   2:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Mad Dog (#113)

My God!!! (sorry)

MD has driven the ball back to the tee!!!!!!!!!!!

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   2:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Mad Dog (#111)

Dance you little “pipsqueak” –
I have you backed into a corner
And you are cowering there like a scared rat?

Answer the questions –

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   2:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Tater (#112)

"LOL!

LITHIUM!"

"You do realize that my handle is just a nickname and not who or what I really am don't you wingnut?

I don't play games with disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, bipolar aholes like you once I realize what you really are.

Lithium, I recommend you take lots and lots of LITHIUM, (of course check with your healthcare provider first)."

Seek help.

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-14   2:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: mel, Mad Dog, GarySpFC (#57)

Get off your high horse. You're no better than anyone else.

LOL - who said I was (?!?) And neither had MD.

Do you absolve "Christians" from the murders they have committed in the name of Christianity? Was it OK for them to slaughter millions in the name of Christianity?

NO "Christian" murders "In the Name of Jesus Christ" you ignorant twit. It's NOT part of His Gospel. Or haven't you gotten that memo yet?

I'm no apologist - not for anyone...

Oh YES YOU CERTAINLY ARE.

your denial of the historical events of slaughters and massacres that took place in the name of Christianity leads me to believe you feel they were right in doing the exact same thing you accuse all Muslims of being wrong for doing.

You must have confused ridicule with "denial."

You know - as I sift through this thread, your posts get more shrill, incoherent, and ignorant of history.

Commanding those to act "In the name of Jesus Christ" was the easiest way to control those in the Roman Empire since faux-"Christian" Emperor, Constantine. Later on Popes lorded over Kings. Whatever corrupt Popes and Vatican of a corrupted "Christianity" did centuries ago had either to do with defending their turf (against Mooslems) or expanding their turf. Or even because they were motivated by greed and power.

Do NOT confuse the righteous keepers of the faith and gospel of Jesus Christ with THEM. Many were forced to go underground.

Now let's NOT pretend as though ALL peoples, tribes, empires, and cultures throughout the ages haven't conducted themselves in the VERY same way - ESPECIALLY Islam. Yet you fail to mention other warring participants and their respective casualties and KIA. Your selective historical perspective makes it clear that you have an agenda; A PRO-MUSLIM agenda. Why keep denying it?

The difference is much Christianity has been realigned with Christ's original gospel and its culture progressed righteously and expeditiously over time, while the Cult of Muhammad's Islam was never righteous to begin with, nor have its adherents progressed beyond that of 7th century culture in any manner.

Religion does not breed evil, evil breeds evil.

Now here's something - were you to publicly criticize Islam in Saudi Arabia, the penalty for such "blasphemy" would be....DEATH, backed by several of the 20 passages of the Koran cited by Gary in post #9.

Have you read them? What say you about them?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-14   2:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Wood_Chopper (#115)

My God!!! (sorry)

MD has driven the ball back to the tee!!!!!!!!!!!

If this were chess - Would it be checkmate?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   2:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Tater (#116)

Oh yeah you are a real tough guy. /S

LOL!

LITHIUM!

"You do realize that my handle is just a nickname and not who or what I really am don't you wingnut?

I don't play games with disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, bipolar aholes like you once I realize what you really are.

Lithium, I recommend you take lots and lots of LITHIUM, (of course check with your healthcare provider first)."

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-14   2:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: All (#117)

Well, looks like that's it. MD has gone OB after driving the ball back to the tee.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   2:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Tater, Mad Dog (#102) (Edited)

Come on COWARD - Answer the questions ...

So sayeth the LIAR.

LOL - after citing your ridiculously absurd definition of "terrorist," you have the integrity of a diseased weasel.

Why should anyone take you seriously again?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-14   2:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Tater (#119)

If this were chess - Would it be checkmate?

You missed your par putt.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   2:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Mad Dog (#117)

LITHIUM!"

"You do realize that my handle is just a nickname and not who or what I really am don't you wingnut?

I don't play games with disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, bipolar aholes like you once I realize what you really are.

Lithium, I recommend you take lots and lots of LITHIUM, (of course check with your healthcare provider first)."

Seek help.

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

I have been setting you up for this all evening
And I was just waiting for the right time to
pull the trap door - You are just too EASY!!!!

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   2:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Wood_Chopper (#121)

You are funny -I enjoy your sense of humor.

To bad that perhaps Mad Dog does not, at this momemt.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   2:47:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Tater (#124)

LOL! Sure you have. You are truly a legend in your own "mind" loser. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

LITHIUM!

"You do realize that my handle is just a nickname and not who or what I really am don't you wingnut?

I don't play games with disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, bipolar aholes like you once I realize what you really are.

Lithium, I recommend you take lots and lots of LITHIUM, (of course check with your healthcare provider first)."

Esse Quam Videri.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-14   2:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: All (#122)

Why should anyone take you seriously again?

Libs in the rough. Unplayable lie.

Penalty shot for Lib.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   2:48:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Tater (#116)

I have you backed into a corner

OMG, I'll bet people are pissing themselves in fear!!!!!!!

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-14   2:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Tater (#125)

You are funny -I enjoy your sense of humor.

To bad that perhaps Mad Dog does not, at this momemt.

Hey, I'm just the commentator.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   2:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Tater, Mad Dog (#98)

Do you think the Lord Jesus Christ would be saddened by the hatred that some professed “Christians” have for the unsaved?

Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ extends love and mercy to all people of the earth?

Do you believe that the Lord God loves all people?

Interesting....

I can answer your questions, but first answer the following questions, Hambone:

Do you think Mumammad would be saddened by the hatred that some professed “Muslims” have for the Jews and Infidels?

Do you believe that Allah extends love and mercy to all people of the earth?

Do you believe that Allah loves all people?

Thank you.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-14   2:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Wood_Chopper (#129)

Hey, I'm just the commentator.

And a boring one at that.

Your "color" commentary has degraded from beige to translucent.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-14   2:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Tater (#116) (Edited)

I have you backed into a corner And you are cowering there like a scared rat?

LOL...Weasels are funny animals.

DEFINITION OF WEASEL:

"a sneaky, untrustworthy, or insincere person"

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-14   2:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: All (#131)

Your "color" commentary has degraded from beige to translucent.

It appears one of the golfers doesn't care for the commentary.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   2:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Liberator (#132)

I have you backed into a corner And you are cowering there like a scared rat? LOL...Weasels are funny animals.

DEFINITION OF WEASEL:

"a sneaky, untrustworthy, or insincere person"

Hahahaha - Hehehehe ...

That's funny.

Will you answer the questions?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   3:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Wood_Chopper (#133)

It appears one of the golfers doesn't care for the commentary.

Where did he go ... You think he left?

Did he cut and run, you think?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   3:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Tater (#71)

So, I cannot find any basis to prove that all Muslims are terrorists...

That's because you've created a false premise, Weasel.

But 99% of Terrorists are Muslim.

If you disagree with the stat, then prove me wrong.

I have not had a chance to watch [the debate between Hunt and Ally]...[but] plan to do so when I have time.

Will that be before or after the next random "political" terrorist act and murder of dozens by Islam? Is the Over/Under in days or hours?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-14   3:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Tater (#135) (Edited)

Where did he go ... You think he left?

Did he cut and run, you think?

Nope. Lib don't run from a fight. He's a friend from a long time ago, but doesn't know it.

The time for our coverage has come to an end.

God is who God is, and that's the truth, and something no one can deny, or debate.

The rest are busy arguing whose idea of God is correct.

I just hope all of you (both sides) don't blow the rest of us up with your arguments.

G'night.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   3:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Tater (#134)

Will you answer the questions?

Sure. But you'll answer mine first right? Because if you don't I'll refer to you as a "cornered weasel" for the next 50 posts or so.

Ready....set...GO!!

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-14   3:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Mad Dog, Liberator, Mel (#136)

You played sarcastic games with me – You call me a Muslim apologist
for no valid reason at all.

I am a Christian, a son born to an Assembly of God Preacher.

I hold all the Christian beliefs you hold – but I do not hold your
on-Christian belief of HATRED.

I wanted to engage you in a constructive and educational exchange,
the same as Mel also obviously wanted to do.

But you could not do that – Why not? Is your hatred that deep?
Is it the Christian thing to hate?

I have a suggestion – here is what I believe is the Christian thing to do:

I came on this forum and on these threads to learn from folks and to
courteously exchange ideas.

I was not given not that opportunity. You mislabeled, misunderstood,
and misread my good intentions from the “git-go.”

Your prejudice and hatred overcame your common sense for decency and
you attacked me.

I suggest we stop all this – declare it a no win situation, for it really is not for
any of us.

I still want to exchange thoughts with you and I still want to learn from you
– but I want to do it in a civil manner.

Will you do this – make exchanges in a civil manner without all the name calling
and sarcasms? That is what I would like to do – Shall we?

I will now apologize for any and all ways I may have, or have, offended you.
That is the Christian thing for me to do.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   3:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Liberator (#138)

Will you answer the questions? Sure. But you'll answer mine first right? Because if you don't I'll refer to you as a "cornered weasel" for the next 50 posts or so.

I did not see this while I was working on my last post -
I will respond after you read the comments I just posted.

Then I will be pleased to answer any and all non-personal
questions your may have and I understand that you will do
the same.

There is one conditions I am compelled to place on these
proposed exchanges - This is to say that all exchanges will
be conducted in a most courteous manner and without any
resort to sarcastic ad-libs or comments.

I respectfully await your considered reply, and remain,
with warmest personal regards,
Tater

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-14   3:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Liberator (#137)

Sorry, I neglected to ping you.

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   3:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Liberator (#94)

WHO are you again?

Wadda you, writin' a book?

______________________________________________________________ tag ... you're it.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2009-12-14   3:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Gater (#24)

Me: terrorism is the tactic of muslims, Islam is the religon of and guiding principal of terrorist.

You: Islam is an insane murder cult.......nothing more,,,,nothing less. These defenders of this death cult are as dangerous as the cultist themselves and all are a threat to all of humanity.

I don't see that we are in disagreement.

BobCeleste  posted on  2009-12-14   8:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Tater (#25)

Me: terrorism is the tactic of muslims, Islam is the religon of and guiding principal of terrorist.

You: I find no disagreement here. You are in agreement with my point that terrorism is defined and acknowledged as a tactic. And I am in agreement that terrorism has been a tactic used by some Muslims who feel they used Islam as a religious guiding principle in the conduct of their terrorist activity.

I agree.

BobCeleste  posted on  2009-12-14   8:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Wood_Chopper (#142)

FTR - I very much enjoyed your commentary. Keep up the good work! lol

Word of the DayMonday, December 14, 2009
numinous NOO-min-us; NYOO- , adjective;
1. Of or pertaining to a numen; supernatural.
2. Filled with or characterized by a sense of a supernatural presence.
3. Inspiring awe and reverence; spiritual.


Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!

mel  posted on  2009-12-14   12:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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