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It is clear in the gallery of photos, below: http://www.pacificpressagency.com/assetpreview/getnw/484824?c=7e011659526dfe0952e7f32e4ebd1289&sz=612&1502729305 Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: nolu chan (#0) Not the best video quality. I'm not sure what point you're pursuing, other than general interest in the event. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-14   14:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: nolu chan (#0) well There yah go ThoughT They were shooTing aT him self defense love boris If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys ! BorisY  posted on  2017-08-14   14:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Tooconservative (#1) I'm not sure what point you're pursuing, other than general interest in the event. One possible point is that he told the police he feared for his life after people started hitting his car with bats, bottles and rocks. So he sped up to get away. Finding the road blocked, he backed up to get away. That's his story and he's sticking to it. Couple that with the fact that the police were doing nothing to prevent violence and he might be able to convince at least one juror that his fear was reasonable. And the fact that the North Carolina legislature (House) recently passed legislation saying that "a driver who runs into a demonstrator on a public street could avoid civil liability for the person’s injuries". Just sayin'. I wouldn't be sweeping out a cell for him just yet. misterwhite  posted on  2017-08-14   15:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Tooconservative (#1) Not the best video quality. I'm not sure what point you're pursuing, other than general interest in the event. The video is not clear but the still photo of the same thing is very clear and shows it is before the car went into the crowd. An investigation may determine that the guy instinctively slammed the accelerator when his car was struck by the domestic terrorist from AntiFa, and when he stopped and the AntiFa domestic terrorism resumed, he may have feared for his life causing him to back up out of there. It is not a clear cut case of the driver committing an act of terrorism. nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-14   16:45:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative (#3) That's his story and he's sticking to it. Look at the still picture which is a clear as can be. http://www.pacificpressagency.com/assetpreview/getnw/484824?c=7e011659526dfe0952e7f32e4ebd1289&sz=612&1502729305 The video/photo supports a contention that the AntiFa yutes initiated the event. The car is being hit with an ugly stick before it accelerates into the crowd. Almost as soon as he stopped, the peaceful protesters beat his rear window in. After this second attack on his car, he backed up and out of there. nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-14   16:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: nolu chan (#5) Look at the still picture which is a clear as can be. That picture and others, coupled with the various videos, are sure to admitted as evidence for the defense. The police were useless. And he turned himself in immediately after the incident, telling the cops what happened and that he feared for his life. Now find 12 people who will vote to convict on murder charges. misterwhite  posted on  2017-08-14   17:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: misterwhite (#6) That picture and others, coupled with the various videos, are sure to [be] admitted as evidence for the defense. In that still photo I can't even see the other car that he plowed into. It is definitely earlier than the acceleration and collision, but not clear exactly how much earlier. I have seen no coverage in the MSM on this, but it seems like very relevant evidence. The lawfully assembled people were in the park, with a permit and a court saying they could be there. The yutes in the street were in violation of the law being where they were, and their unlawful purpose was to take away the right to free speech of the people in the park. The First Amendment protects the right to express unpopular or repulsive opnions. The cops appeared to occupy the park and evict those lawfully present and then spectated after they herded the Plug Uglies into the Dead Rabbits and critical mass was reached. If it were not a plan to initiate a conflict, it can be used as one next time. Assuming arguendo that actually and validly the kid feared for his life, it would still be something difficult for a court and jury to unwind as far as liability and culpability. The kid in the photo, shown hitting the car, may well belong in a cell next to the driver. If you fear for your life, is it a defense to back up over one or two dozen people unlawfully blocking the street? If they are part of an unlawfully gathered mob? They did not all individually threaten the driver, but collectively posed a threat. If his window gets broken and he is pulled out of the car, he faced an almost certain beating, incurring severe injury or death. Reginald Denny stopped in LA and damn near got beat to death. A federal investigation was initiated, so it is uncertain what will happen. nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-14   18:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: nolu chan (#0) So what? Are you suggesting that is a valid reason to murder people at random? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-14   19:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: nolu chan (#7) In that still photo I can't even see the other car that he plowed into. I don't think he did, either. So when he heard a loud impact on the rear of his car, he tried to escape by going forward. That didn't work. When they mobbed his car and broke his window, he put it into reverse. At that point he had no choice. "The cops appeared to occupy the park and evict those lawfully present" Yep. They were useless in protecting those who were lawfully there. Probably because the PTB didn't like them. But right-wingers of all types get the same treatment. Ann Coulter. Milo. David Horowitz. Ben Shapiro. You don't have to be David Duke to cause these people to go insane. Imagine if our side did that to their speakers. misterwhite  posted on  2017-08-14   19:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: sneakypete (#8) So what? Are you suggesting that is a valid reason to murder people at random? No, I am raising the possibility that it may not be murder at all. His car was stopped by an unlawful assembly of people blocking the street. At least one person starts using a bat-like flag pole before the rear window is broken and while the car he plowed into is still obscured behind the crowd. He may have feared for his life or just hit the accelerator as a reaction to his car getting beaten upon. Think Reginald Denny. Does he wait there to get beat to death, does he go forward or reverse? Did he hit the accelerator as a reflex action or a fight or flight response? Absent an intent to harm, it isn't murder. It could be involuntary homicide or a justified action. The people in the street initiated the event by beating on his car. They did this while engaged in unlawful action. It does not appear to be an act of terror, except maybe the driver acted out of his own terror. What do you do when the road is blocked in front of you, and behind you, and you are in the middle of an unlawful and unruly mob, and your car is being beaten on, and your body may be next? nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-14   21:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: nolu chan (#10) What do you do when the road is blocked in front of you, and behind you, and you are in the middle of an unlawful and unruly mob, and your car is being beaten on, and your body may be next? That question is relevant only if he had a valid reason for being on that street to begin with. For example, he was on his way home. But if he went to that location only because he knew (or saw) people were demonstrating in the street and he was looking for an excuse to run them down ... well, game over. misterwhite  posted on  2017-08-14   21:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: misterwhite (#11) He may have gone there to join the lawful assembly in the park. If he had an intent to run people down, he is a criminal. Here is another video. https://streamable.com/svxcr# [at the link it is bigger and goes full screen. The embed code yields a tiny image.] nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-14   22:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: misterwhite (#9) (Edited) Antifa came out looking for mayhem. They found it. Abcdefg  posted on  2017-08-15   0:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Abcdefg (#13) Antifa came out looking for mayhem. They found it. misterwhite  posted on  2017-08-15   10:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: nolu chan (#10) No, I am raising the possibility that it may not be murder at all. His car was stopped by an unlawful assembly of people blocking the street. At least one person starts using a bat-like flag pole before the rear window is broken and while the car he plowed into is still obscured behind the crowd. He may have feared for his life or just hit the accelerator as a reaction to his car getting beaten upon. Think Reginald Denny. Does he wait there to get beat to death, does he go forward or reverse? Ok,I agree you MIGHT have a point there,but I didn't see what you saw in the video that I watched. Maybe we watched different videos,and you saw one filmed from a different angle than the one I watched? Not that truth makes any actual difference at this point. Facts rarely win arguments based on emotion,and that goober has an almost impossible task put before him to convince a jury he isn't a murderer. And I have to admit to my own prejudices and emotions taking a part. If you mention the words "Neo-Nazi",I immediately want to hang the SOB as being an insult to mankind everywhere,so like many people,I am predisposed to to assume the worse things I hear or read are the truth. And truth to tell,I fell the same way about the modern Klansmen. In other words,for the "emotional me",that goober started out with two strikes against him. I'm wanting to hang him twice right out of the box. I suspect there are many,many people out there that share my prejudices. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-15   12:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: sneakypete (#15) modern Klansmen ... antifada If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys ! BorisY  posted on  2017-08-15   12:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: sneakypete (#15) https://streamable.com/21gc9 The embed code resulted in a very small image. The video is larger at the "streamable" site, and can be expanded to full screen. It is not very clear but I can see that guy in the still photo hitting the car. The still photo is clear and helps to set the relative time of this event. nolu chan  posted on  2017-08-15   13:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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