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Title: Top Geopolitical Expert Issues Dire Warning: ‘Beware of False Flag’ Blamed on North Korea
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Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/to ... se-flag-blamed-on-north-korea/
Published: Aug 9, 2017
Author: Rachel Blevins
Post Date: 2017-08-10 10:25:07 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 8315
Comments: 35
After years of threatening to carry out a nuclear attack on the United States, North Korea is finally closer than it has ever been to fulfilling its notorious threat—according to politicians and mainstream media outlets across the country. But according to one geopolitical analyst, Americans should be more concerned about the possibility of a false flag attack. In a report for Asia Times, analyst Pepe Escobar noted that the same people who are now saying that North Korea has created a miniaturized nuclear warhead capable of fitting its recently tested ICBM are the people who sold the lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. “Western corporate media would hardly refrain from metastasizing pure speculation into a ‘North Korea has miniaturized nuclear weapons’ frenzy consuming the cable news cycle/ newspaper headlines,” Escobar wrote, noting that the latest rumors about North Korea’s nuclear capabilities stem from a recent report from Japan’s Defense Ministry that is based entirely on speculation. “So let’s look at the agendas in play. The War Party in the US, with its myriad connections in the industrial-military-media complex, obviously wants/needs war to keep the machinery oiled. Tokyo, for its part, would much appreciate a pre-emptive US military attack—and damn the inevitable, massive South Korean casualties that would result from Pyongyang’s counterpunch. It’s quite enlightening that Tokyo, for all practical purposes, considers China as a ‘threat’ as serious as North Korea; Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera went straight to the point when he said, ‘North Korea’s missiles represent a deepening threat. That, along with China’s continued threatening behavior in the East China Sea and South China Sea, is a major concern for Japan.’ Beijing’s response was swift.” One of the most important points Escobar makes is that “The War Party,” or the U.S. military industrial complex, “wants/needs war to keep the machinery oiled.” Because of this, Escobar warned that Americans should “Beware of an engineered false flag, to be blamed on Pyongyang; that would be the perfect pretext for war.” Indeed, the war drums are already having a steroid-like effect on the bottom lines of weapons companies with Lockheed Martin breaking all time stock market records. In addition to being a large opium producer, Escobar also noted that North Korea ”holds trillions of US dollars in unexplored mineral wealth.” He warned that Americans should “Watch the shadow play by candidates bound to profit from such juicy loot.” As The Free Thought Project reported, another important aspect to note is that while North Korea has been threatening to show the world its true nuclear power for more than a decade, the U.S. has enabled and funded the nation’s actions for more than half a century. As a result, “if North Korea does ever launch a nuke, it will be because the U.S. government and its assets helped to put it in their hands.” The fact that the U.S. government and the mainstream media have come together to promote the “imminent threat” of North Korea carrying out a nuclear attack on the U.S., serves a reminder of another time when the two entities united to push a propaganda campaign that got the U.S. into a war it is still fighting 14 years later. Despite dire warnings from both politicians and MSM pundits that Hussein had weapons of mass destructions in Iraq, a classified report that was leaked in January 2016 confirmed that there was absolutely no evidence of WMDs. It also served as a reminder of the “utter deception carried out on the American people to support the invasion.” At the end of the day, if the U.S. was truly concerned about North Korea launching a nuclear attack, then it would not have been funding the nation’s actions in the first place, and the supposed imminent threats would be based on more than just speculative reports. If there are reports of such an attack, it is important to remember how well false flags—such as Iraq’s WMDs—have worked for the U.S. War Machine in the past.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
I say, "Beware of the conspiracy theorists who will claim a false flag operation no matter what." They always do.
Another complete fraud whose ravings are useful clickbait for FTP.
False Flag’ Blamed on North Korea Almost every war start with a false flag. But the problem is how to contain it.
Yeah, yeah, right. The next thing is that you'll try to tell us that somehow WW II started on 9/1/1939 with some kind of false flag attack on Poland.
North Korea's 1950's technology is invulnerable to hacking, but Trump's administration is riddled with leakers, hackers, and whistleblowers. There's no guarantee that Trump won't hit Guam when he pushes that nuclear launch button. Certainly John McCain and Hillary's neocons will be happy with whatever he hits, and call for more strikes against them. Hey, hey! He had his reasons.
No, WW2 started in 1937 with Japanese attack on China.
WW stands for World War. 1937 was the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War.
No, it didn't. September 1, 1939. It was a false flag attack on the Polish radio station on the border at Gleiwitz. It marked the start of the German invasion of Poland. The European theater was the main war. America and Britain fighting the Japanese was somewhat of a sideshow. The Nazis were always the real threat, not the Japs. For someone that rants at some length over false flag attacks, I would have thought you would know the most famous one in history.
No WWII started in 1919 with the Treaty of Versailles it just took twenty years for Germany to become strong enough. Japan had been stuffing about in Asia and the Pacific for a long time before 1937 The Korean War started in 1949 and has not ended but NK now feels strong enough to try again
There isn't much point in discussing anything if a bunch of contrarian cranks refuse to admit to the most basic of facts. Historians have long agreed: the German blitzkrieg of Poland which began on 9/1/1939 started WW II because the interlocking mutual defense treaties of the era required both Britain and France to declare war on Germany. Which they did, resulting in the three major powers of Europe being at war. Without the German attack on Poland and Britain/France declaring war in response, there would have been no WW II to speak of.
You have your facts and I have mine, a little like your dear President
I didn't vote for Trump. I sat out the election in my safe Red state. My fellow-voters gave Trump our electoral votes without my help, as I knew they would.
Until Germany entered in war with Soviet Russia, Chinese/Asian theater was larger, involved more people, huge armies, millions of casualties and the front was thousands of kilometers long. Very Europocentric I would say.
War between Germany, Poland, France and UK would not be a world war if you did not account Asian fronts. They were any way merged in 1941. So either you require formal merge then 1941 is the start of world war, or you treat "separate" struggles as related, they you get 1937. There is isn't much point in discussing anything if a bunch of rigid adherents to the recycled crude cliches have blinders narrowing their sight.
Well, yes. After they had conspired to partition Poland via the secret Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty. During the partition of Poland and Hitler's conquest on western Europe, they were allies or at least frenemies.
Justify much? By "rigid adherents", you mean pretty much the entire international historic academic community, then yes. I could make the obvious counterargument but I think you're debating in bad faith anyway.
It is not that have a hidden agenda or prejudice one way or another. Just framing it 1937 to 1945 makes it easier for me to reflect. I love to think on my own as opposed to blind reliance on the prevailing views among authorities. Yes I consult them on occasion, but independent thinking is too great pleasure to resign from. Among my heroes are discoverers who went against the current. "Conformism is a psychological trait that demonstrates itself in the inability to withstand group pressure, willingness to conform to group demands" "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong."
And entertaining a cranky view on when and where WW II started makes you one of them. Good for you.
"World War II started in 1937 in Asia, not 1939 in Europe, says Oxford historian .... the war began with Japan’s conflict with China, not when Germany invaded Poland in 1939, the date most history books use. ... Many history texts use 1939 as the date marking the start of the Second World War. More America-centric accounts use 1941, the year Japan attacked the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. ... Prof Mitter’s book, The Forgotten Ally, points out that the terrible eight-year-long conflict took a massive toll on China, with more than 14 million Chinese dead. ... By comparison, military and civilian casualties for the US and United Kingdom combined totaled around 900,000. About 500 million Chinese became refugees ... the continuing Chinese resistance, not just for one year but actually four and a half years before Pearl Harbor, essentially on its own (without support from other Allied forces), is such an important global turning point,” said Prof Mitter. Read more at http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/world-war-ii-started-in-1937-in-asia-not-1939-in-europe-says-oxf-8762066 ===== While most in the western world believe World War II started with the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939, there are a growing number of historians who believe the official date should be amended to 1937, when Japan began its full-scale invasion of China. Robert Frank, Secretary General for the International Congress of Historical Sciences (ICHS), is one of the strongest advocates for the date change. He wrote his arguments in the book "1937-1947 World War", which was published in France in April. Jointly written by 40 historians, it contains a specific chapter named "War begins in Asia." Other chapters elaborate on the resistance of Asian countries, the Japanese occupation, and the resistance and suffering of the Chinese population. "In France we call it the war of 1939-1945. But it' s a world war. Not only a European war, and it did not begin in Europe," Frank said. "The war began here, in Asia." "It must be surprising for European and French people. They are not accustomed to the date," Frank said. "But we want to break the classical Eurocentric chronology, showing the global history of a global war." http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2015victoryanniv/2015-08/28/content_21730684.htm ============ The first legal consolidation of German-Japanese mutual interests occurred in 1936, when the two countries then signed the Anti-Comintern Pact, which was directed against the Communist International (Comintern) in general and the Soviet Union in particular. After the signing, Nazi Germany's government also included the Japanese people in their concept of "honorary Aryans".[31] Yasuhito, Prince Chichibu then attended the 1937 Nuremberg Rally in Germany and met Adolf Hitler, with whom he tried to boost personal relations.[32] Fascist Italy, led by Benito Mussolini joined the pact the same year, initiating the formation of the so-called Axis between Rome, Berlin and Tokyo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Japan_relations
Only one problem: in 1937, every major and minor military power around the world were all at peace with one another. So if Germany, Italy, Japan, Britain, America, Germany, France, Belgium, and the Soviet Union were all at peace with one another, how can anyone say that a world war had begun in 1937? You have no answer because it's a stupid idea to begin with. This sounds like a bunch of EUroweenies trying not to be such a bunch of European white supremacists to me. Trying to out-virtue-signal each other. While there is a minority who argue for 1937 instead of 1939, this view is not prevailing among recognized historians. The invasion of China only proceeded after Japan had consolidated their conquest of Korea by establishing a puppet government there in 1910. Without the Korean occupation, there would have been no invasion of China at all. Should we then say that WW II began with the puppet regime in Korea in 1910? It's silly to suggest. WW II began in 1939 when the major powers around the world began shooting at each other and engaging in conquests of other major and minor powers.
In 1939 "around the world"? You confuse 1939 with 1941. You start tripping.
You still haven't addressed my central point: And you won't find a good answer to that question. Because you are wrong and are taking up a minority viewpoint among historians. And this was a false-flag thread and you are way off-topic here. I for once gave in on the false-flag meme by pointing out that WW II started with the false-flag attack on the border radio studio at Gleiwitz, thus referencing the earlier remarks that "all wars start with a false flag event". I snarked on this in my #5 in reply to your #4 ("Almost every war start with a false flag."). I was going to let you hit one out of the ballpark and you started in on this useless WW2-started-in-1937 cranky historical revisionism. However, if you insist that WW II started in 1937 (and not in a false-flag attack on the radio station at Gleiwitz on 9/1/39), then you have disproved the assertion that "Almost every war start with a false flag" that you began with in #4. So is it your position that "Almost every war start with a false flag" except the biggest war in history? IOW, are you more attached to your cranky WW II in 1937 view or to your all-wars-begin-with-a-false-flag meme? Pick one.
Then why do historians refer to it as the Second Sino-Japanese War instead of WWII?
I relish observing and contemplating your lack of intellectual freedom, for you "taking up a minority viewpoint" is wrong. You either lack logic or have reading comprehension problem. "Except" may follow "always/every" not "almost. BTW, "The exact cause of this incident still remains a mystery. When a Japanese soldier, Private Shimura Kikujiro, failed to return to his post, Chinese regimental commander Ji Xingwen (219th Regiment, 37th Division, 29th Route Army) received a message from the Japanese demanding permission to enter Wanping to search for the missing soldier. The Chinese refused. And, although Private Shimura returned to his unit, by this point both sides were mobilising, with the Japanese deploying reinforcements and surrounding Wanping. Later in the night, a unit of Japanese infantry attempted to breach Wanping's walled defences and were repulsed. An ultimatum by the Japanese was issued two hours later " "the Japanese insisted that they be admitted into the town to investigate the cause of the incident" "Colonel Ji Xingwen led the Chinese defenses with about 100 men, with orders to hold the bridge at all costs. The Chinese were able to hold the bridge with the help of reinforcements, but suffered tremendous losses"
Because Western historians prefer to see 1939 or 1941 as a beginning. Far Eastern historians have their own perspective.
Although this is incomprehensible gibberish, it is about the most rational thing you've said on this entire thread.
Although this is incomprehensible gibberish Poor dear, do you have nothing between your ears? "except" means exception from the general rule. "Almost" means that the rule applies in most but not all of the cases, so the exceptions are not needed.
Obviously, you prefer your WW2-started-in-1937 narrative (to de-Europeanize WW II) over your usual "every war starts with a false flag" narrative. It's a bitch when your commitments to historical kookery come into conflict, ain't it?
You are raving
Your conflict over your competing, mutually exclusive kook opinions is driving you to an existential crisis. And you're still way off-topic.
Then what was the false flag that started WWII?
Does not matter. The Second Korean war might start soon. China will get involved and next Russia. Then you will have WWIII. The wet dream of neocons will become a reality
I notice that A Hole had an existential crisis over the conflict between his white-guilt WW2-started-in-Asia-in-1937 view and his resulting repudiation of his false-flaggery in the (very real) false-flag attack on the border radio station at Gleiwitz which was the ignition point of the German blitzkrieg invasion of Poland on 9/1/1939. Interesting to observe the evasions and contradictions when two favored conspiracy theories come into direct conflict. We see the conspiracist mind at work, the smugness, the hints of secret knowledge and superior understanding without basis in fact, etc. IOW, the usual delusions of the liberal Left types, as filtered by the Left liberal lens of international Catholicism under Pope Frank.
‘Beware of False Flag’ Blamed on North Korea
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
Title: Top Geopolitical Expert Issues Dire Warning: ...
In a report for Asia Times, analyst Pepe Escobar noted...
#3. To: Deckard, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#0)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: Deckard, TooConservative (#0)
#5. To: A Pole, misterwhite (#4)
Almost every war start with a false flag. But the problem is how to contain it.
#6. To: A Pole, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#4)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#7. To: Tooconservative (#5)
The next thing is that you'll try to tell us that somehow WW II started on 9/1/1939 with some kind of false flag attack on Poland.
#8. To: Tooconservative (#5)
The next thing is that you'll try to tell us that somehow WW II started on 9/1/1939 with some kind of false flag attack on Poland.
#9. To: A Pole (#8)
No, WW2 started in 1937 with Japanese attack on China.
#10. To: A Pole, misterwhite (#8)
(Edited)
No, WW2 started in 1937 with Japanese attack on China.
#11. To: A Pole (#8)
(Edited)
No, WW2 started in 1937 with Japanese attack on China.
#12. To: A Pole, paraclete, misterwhite (#8)
#13. To: Tooconservative (#12)
There isn't much point in discussing anything if a bunch of contrarian cranks refuse to admit to the most basic of facts.
#14. To: paraclete (#13)
#15. To: Tooconservative (#10)
The European theater was the main war. America and Britain fighting the Japanese was somewhat of a sideshow
#16. To: Tooconservative (#12)
Historians have long agreed: the German blitzkrieg of Poland which began on 9/1/1939 started WW II because the interlocking mutual defense treaties of the era required both Britain and France to declare war on Germany. Which they did, resulting in the three major powers of Europe being at war.
There isn't much point in discussing anything if a bunch of contrarian cranks refuse to admit to the most basic of facts.
#17. To: A Pole (#15)
Until Germany entered in war with Soviet Russia
#18. To: A Pole (#16)
(Edited)
So either you require formal merge then 1941 is the start of world war, or you treat "separate" struggles as related, they you get 1937.
There is isn't much point in discussing anything if a bunch of rigid adherents to the recycled crude cliches have blinders narrowing their sight.
#19. To: Tooconservative (#18)
(Edited)
I could make the obvious counterargument but I think you're debating in bad faith anyway.
pretty much the entire international historic academic community
#20. To: A Pole (#19)
Among my heroes are discoverers who went against the current.
#21. To: Tooconservative (#20)
(Edited)
And entertaining a cranky view on when and where WW II started makes you one of them.
#22. To: A Pole (#21)
"It must be surprising for European and French people. They are not accustomed to the date," Frank said. "But we want to break the classical Eurocentric chronology, showing the global history of a global war."
#23. To: Tooconservative (#22)
(Edited)
WW II began in 1939 when the major powers around the world began shooting at each other and engaging in conquests of other major and minor powers.
This sounds like a bunch of EUroweenies trying not to be such a bunch of European white supremacists to me. Trying to out-virtue-signal each other.
#24. To: A Pole, misterwhite (#23)
Blah-blah-blah, blah-blah-blah, blah-blah.
So if Germany, Italy, Japan, Britain, America, France, Belgium, and the Soviet Union were all at peace with one another, how can anyone say that a world war had begun in 1937?
#25. To: A Pole (#21)
"World War II started in 1937 in Asia, not 1939 in Europe, says Oxford historian
#26. To: Tooconservative (#24)
are wrong and are taking up a minority viewpoint among historians
is it your position that "ALMOST every war start with a false flag" EXCEPT the biggest war in history?
#27. To: misterwhite (#25)
Then why do historians refer to it as the Second Sino-Japanese War instead of WWII?
#28. To: A Pole (#26)
"Except" may follow "always/every" not "almost.
#29. To: Tooconservative (#28)
"Except" may follow "always/every" not "almost.
#30. To: A Pole, misterwhite (#29)
#31. To: Tooconservative (#30)
#32. To: A Pole (#31)
(Edited)
#33. To: A Pole (#31)
#34. To: misterwhite (#33)
Then what was the false flag that started WWII?
#35. To: misterwhite (#33)
Then what was the false flag that started WWII?
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