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Title: Republican healthcare bill fails in US Senate (in spite of McCain & Pence YES votes)
Source: BBC US & Canada
URL Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40723060
Published: Jul 26, 2017
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2017-07-26 16:19:48 by Hondo68
Keywords: None
Views: 1925
Comments: 11


John McCain returned to the Senate to applause

The US Senate has rejected a Republican plan to replace President Barack Obama's signature healthcare policy.

The 57-43 vote defeat marks the start of a days-long debate on a sweeping overhaul that critics fear could deny healthcare to millions of Americans.

The Better Care Reconciliation Act (BRCA) was crafted over two months but attention now turns to other options.

President Donald Trump has urged senators to pass a bill, without indicating which one he supports.

A repeal-only bill, which would consign so-called Obamacare to history in two years, to give time to Republicans to devise a replacement, could be debated and voted on next.


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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

The non-partisan Congressional Budgetary Office (CBO) found the bill would strip 22 million Americans of health insurance over the next decade.

Does "stripping" 22 million of health insurance mean they would no longer be forced to buy it?

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-26   17:35:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite, Medicaid, Medicare, Part D druged voters (#1)

Does "stripping" 22 million of health insurance mean they would no longer be forced to buy it?

Sort of, but we still have to pay taxes to provide healthcare for everyone.

Someone's got to pay for government mandated socialized medical care, and it's us. They need to go back a lot further than Obamacare and get rid of government meddling which drives the costs up, stifles innovation, and ultimately yields expensive lousy service.

"No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session." ~Gideon J. Tucker

Hondo68  posted on  2017-07-26   18:45:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#2)

If everyone was honest about it, they might as well admit that the best way to get everyone insured is to simply nationalize health care system and make it free for everyone by just sending all bills to the Fed gov.

That would at least put all the health insurance companies out of business which would be a good thing, at least. They wouldn't be taking a cut of health industry payments.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-26   19:15:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#5. To: Pinguinite (#3)

and make it free for everyone

Well, excluding those who pay taxes. It's not free for them. They have to pay for their own healthcare and everyone elses. So it's definitely not free for them.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-26 20:33:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Of course. The French health care system is the best in the world, bar none. It has American- level and American-quality medicine, without HMOs and screening and waits, at only about 2.3rds of the price.

At that price, it's STILL very expensive: you have to pay for quality and modern research and technology. But that 1/3 additional cost in the US is the cost of "the 'bezzle". THat's where the profit taking from an trapped audience by insurance companies and doctors occurs, it's where the cost of malpractice and and large billing departments is absorbed. Those pieces can be taken out of American health care, streamlining it and leaving it a matter for patient and doctor. It'll STILL be expensive, and with everybody in the system it will be more expensive than what we have now. But everybody will be covered, and it will be about 1/3rd less cost than what we have now.

So that's the way to go.

Of course, to get there the Republicans will have to completely betray what they ran on, and the Democrats would have to betray the trial lawyers. So we'll end up instead with Canadian or British style health care, that will be very expensive and still have lines and lack of choice and death panels. Americans will not choose the best model. They'll choose what they perceive to be the model that makes them most able to control who gets the benefits so that nobody but the politically well-placed "takes advantage" of the system.

We do the same thing in welfare. In order to ensure nobody "cheats", we have a MASSIVE welfare distribution bureaucracy that devours 75 cents on the welfare dollar...and people cheat anyway.

That's how AMERICA will do national health care. Unintelligently, with maximum employment for government officials and payer agents and monitors, at maximum expense. We won't reform the tort law, and we will still have a strongly two tier system, one for the well-to-do who can pay to avoid it, and the other for everybody else.

Our government does everything badly. We skew towards the byzantine, the corrupt, and the abusive. It's the way we are as a people.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-27 06:48:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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