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Title: Gust of Wind Traps Baby Inside Locked Car. Mom Calls 911 for Help. Mom Gets Ticketed by Police.
Source: Reason
URL Source: http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/19/g ... nd-traps-baby-inside-locked-ca
Published: Jun 19, 2017
Author: Lenore Skenazy
Post Date: 2017-07-06 10:37:48 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 4759
Comments: 38

The frantic mother called 911 for help and the police gave her a ticket for suspicion of child abuse by neglect.

Omaha, Nebraska: A woman taking her niece out of the SUV after an outing to the pool was shocked when the wind blew the door shut with her keys and the child inside. The car automatically locked. The aunt, the girl's mom, and two other relatives frantically tried to get the door open using a hanger and screwdriver, and, when they couldn't, they called 911. The cops arrived, broke the window, and got the child out, safe and sound.

Then the cops ticketed the mom on suspicion of child abuse by neglect.

As The Omaha World-Herald reports:

Lt. Darci Tierney, a police spokeswoman, said the ticket was not an overreaction by the officer who responded to the 911 call.

"We make decisions in the moment with all the information we have available,'' she said. "This can be a super dangerous situation. People die in these circumstances."

The girl, just shy of 2, was in the car for about 15 minutes. It was a 93-degree day, and 97 degrees in the un-air-conditioned car. The girl appeared warm to the paramedic—um, of course she'd be warm—so she was taken to the local hospital. She turned out to be fine.

The wind, by the way, was gusting up to 40 miles per hour that day.

To add insult to non-injury, Lt. Tierney is also quoted as reminding people that in a situation like this one, "Don't be afraid to call 911 for help."

Yeah, and be ready to call a defense lawyer, too.

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#2. To: Deckard (#0)

The wind, by the way, was gusting up to 40 miles per hour that day.

And the woman noticed the wind and was extra careful. Oops. No she wasn't.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-06   10:58:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#2) (Edited)

And the woman noticed the wind and was extra careful. Oops. No she wasn't.

She called 911 for help - then they ticketed her.

Only in misterwhite Bizarro World is that acceptable.

At least they didn't shoot her. If they had, you would have called it "justified".

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-06   11:08:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#4)

"She called 911 for help - then they ticketed her."

Of course they did. She put the child in danger.

Oh, wait. You think she shouldn't have been ticketed because she had a good excuse for putting the child in danger? Really?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-06   11:12:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#5)

Oh, wait. You think she shouldn't have been ticketed because she had a good excuse for putting the child in danger? Really?

As if it wasn't obvious, though it is, when people seeking help from police receive a punishment related to the matter for which they sought help, it sends a message to the rest of the community that, should they find themselves in a similar situation, calling the police for help will result in a fine or other punishment.

This will discourage others who need help from calling police for that help they need. And if it's a potentially life & death situation, the deterring effect of the fear of punishment from the police, or even a delay in calling them as those involve seek alternate solutions without the police, could result in more serious harm or death.

And we're not talking about a situation where someone is in danger due to malice. We're talking about an accidental situation in which someone's life is in danger, whether or not there was some degree of carelessness involved.

So, by giving this woman a ticket, the message from the police to the community is that calling them for help in a life or death situation should be a lower priority. Other solutions should be sought first. That message puts the community in more danger and could result in the death of others having nothing to do with this incident with this woman and child, and because of that, it is a very bad message.

If any punishment is deemed appropriate, the expense of repairing the passenger window should certainly suffice.

Now that this has been explained, you are free to continue to make a complete fool of yourself by cheering for any and all police activity. Perhaps you are being compensated for doing so -- that would be the only reason I could fathom for such posted boot-licking -- which would be unfortunate as it would be money paid for increasing the danger to society.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-06   11:39:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#9)

This will discourage others who need help from calling police for that help they need.

OR ... it will cause others to be more careful so they don't put themselves in a similar situation. No?

"We're talking about an accidental situation in which someone's life is in danger, whether or not there was some degree of carelessness involved."

No. We're talking about a situation that could have easily been avoided had the woman not been so careless and unthinking. Had she simply locked herself out of her car, no ticket would have been issued. But, in this case, the police thought it so dangerous that they broke the car window to get the child out, and took the child to the hospital.

A ticket serves to illustrate the seriousness of the situation, rather than the issuance of a mere warning.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-06   11:56:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#12)

OR ... it will cause others to be more careful so they don't put themselves in a similar situation. No?

No, issuing a ticket will not encourage her to be more careful. Unless, of course, she values the cost of the ticket more than she values the life of her son. In that case, yes, the ticket will serve as some degree of deterrent in the future, though there is obviously a much bigger problem at hand.

Otherwise, the scary experience will serve as deterrent enough. And again, she already has the expense of repairing the car window.

"We're talking about an accidental situation in which someone's life is in danger, whether or not there was some degree of carelessness involved."

No. We're talking about a situation that could have easily been avoided had the woman not been so careless and unthinking.

You failed to contradict my comment which you quoted.

A ticket serves to illustrate the seriousness of the situation, rather than the issuance of a mere warning.

That they felt compelled to call police illustrates all too well their awareness of the serious of the situation. At least to people who are not complete morons. By issuing the ticket, the police are illustrating how calling them for help in a life & death situation should only be done if one is willing to receive a citation. This places the rest of the community in MORE danger, not less, and the whole purpose of punishment is to improve safety, not lesson it.

By issuing the ticket, police are placing the community in more danger. Ergo, it should not have been issued.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-06   12:19:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite, Stoner (#14)

Here's how it should have been handled.

Henrico mother thanks police after toddler was locked in car

A toddler’s smile and mother’s gratitude rewarded the efforts of a Henrico County police officer after she calmly stayed on scene Wednesday while the child was temporarily locked in the car with the keys.

Amanda Robinson, the boy’s mother, said she called the Henrico Police Department in a panic after the car was accidentally locked with the 18-month-old still inside. The outside temperature sat at 85 degrees, heating the vehicle’s interior.

“I did not know at the time we called how quickly we would be able to get him out or how quickly he might show signs of distress,” Robinson said.

She said she originally just wanted the police there in case something happened while she sought assistance, but the calm, friendly demeanor of the officer, E. Owens, helped her remember about a spare key.

“She did not make us feel any worse for making a mistake,” Robinson said. “She was just very attentive and showed that she genuinely cared about him.”

Owens monitored the car while Robinson left to retrieve her spare key, amusing the toddler with a stuffed animal.

“Most of our officers keep stuffed animals in their cars for situations just like this,” Henrico police said in a Facebook post. The stuffed animals are donated to the department.

Owens watched the toddler in case he showed signs of distress. If he had, she was prepared to smash the windows and remove him.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-06   12:40:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#17)

I would say the police breaking the window was a perfectly reasonable life-saving measure. Whether taking the child to the hospital was reasonably prudent or not is a judgment call. The article is not clear on whether it was at the mother's urging or not.

The police should have followed up with a simple expression of gratitude that they were happy to help, perhaps recommend a place to repair the window, perhaps requested information to complete their internal reporting, wished the family well and gone their way.

As it is, regardless of whether they end up paying the ticket or it's dismissed in court, the decision to issue it has doubtless replaced the gratitude the family may have had for the police help with hostility, and is causing them to think of ways they could have opened the car without police help, which would obviously entail them breaking the window themselves, which is perhaps something best not done without experience and less obvious precautions.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-06   13:08:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Pinguinite (#19)

The police should have followed up with a simple expression of gratitude that they were happy to help, perhaps recommend a place to repair the window, perhaps requested information to complete their internal reporting, wished the family well and gone their way.

It's possible that department policy required them to issue a ticket, given that they broke the window.

If the child wasn't in danger, why break the window? Conversely, if she placed the child in danger why didn't they issue a ticket?

Also, with no ticket issued she could sue the police department to replace the window, claiming it wasn't necessary and that the police overreacted. And that it traumatized the child. $100,000 should cover it. Plus legal expenses.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-06   13:19:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite (#23)

It's possible that department policy required them to issue a ticket, given that they broke the window.

In which case.... drum roll please..... the police policy would be what's screwed up, and we could give the cops a pass for doing the asinine thing they did. That better?

But no, police have discretion on when & if to issue tickets. They exercise this discretion every time for speeding, on whether to issue a ticket, a warning, or nothing at all. They are also the ones that have to testify in court, after all. Nice try though. I'm sure the police union will admire your effort.

If the child wasn't in danger, why break the window? Conversely, if she placed the child in danger why didn't they issue a ticket?

No one on this thread said the child was in no danger, and they should not have issued the ticket for reasons already explained numerous times.

Also, with no ticket issued she could sue the police department to replace the window, claiming it wasn't necessary and that the police overreacted. And that it traumatized the child. $100,000 should cover it. Plus legal expenses.

In which case she'd lose and pay the defense cost, in addition to demonstrating how unfit a mother she is to have opted for he child to be harmed or die rather than buy a new car window. And which would also contradict her whole purpose of calling the police for help.

I am getting tired of trying to teach you moral ethics, which I'm obviously failing to do. I really shouldn't be wasting my time like that.

Any more pro-cop, draconian, no-punishment-is-too-harsh observations you'd like to promote, whether sincerely or for pay?

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-06   14:07:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pinguinite (#26)

I am reminded of this quote:

"For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure by which you are measured."

It was Jesus of Nazareth who said that.

I am also reminded of this quote, from the Apostle James:

"For judgment without mercy will be to the one not having shown mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment."

Given those standards, I prefer mercy and reasonableness in judgment.

"For the letter of the law kills, but the spirit gives eternal life." - St. Paul

The merciless man has established the standard by which he will be judged, and that's really a terrible thing for him, for no man is without sin, and he who judges petty things harshly has essentially dug a death pit at his own feet.

The best thing such a man can do is to stop it. But if he won't, then he should hope that God and Jesus are myths.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-06   15:02:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13 (#27)

Great quotes and an excellent point.

My point on this thread, however, is just in citing the very pragmatic harmful effect, to the community, of issuing the ticket, how the effect of issuing the ticket completely contradicts the supposed idea that the police exist for the benefit of society.

Supposedly, ticketing is supposed to serve the purpose of making the community safer through encouraging better behavior. In this case, however, it will serve to encourage worse behavior by dissuading people from turning to the police for help in potentially life & death situations. That could result in people dying who otherwise might have been saved if police were called sooner.

And some morons just don't get it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-06   15:31:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pinguinite (#29)

the supposed idea that the police exist for the benefit of society.

The Supreme Court has ruled to the effect that the duty of the police is law enforcement, not public protection.

I never signed up to pay an army a lot of money to "enforce" law upon me. I am not willing to pay for that, so if that's what they officially are, then I want to see most police forces axed. I'll trust to my own defenses, the basic goodness of mankind, and the protection of God.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-06   15:54:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Vicomte13 (#30)

The Supreme Court has ruled to the effect that the duty of the police is law enforcement, not public protection.

I remember seeing the motto painted on the back of every police car where I was living:

"To Serve and Protect"

I guess the USSC lived somewhere else.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-06   16:03:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Pinguinite (#31)

"To Serve and Protect"

...WHOM?

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-06   16:06:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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