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Title: Gust of Wind Traps Baby Inside Locked Car. Mom Calls 911 for Help. Mom Gets Ticketed by Police.
Source: Reason
URL Source: http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/19/g ... nd-traps-baby-inside-locked-ca
Published: Jun 19, 2017
Author: Lenore Skenazy
Post Date: 2017-07-06 10:37:48 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 4753
Comments: 38

The frantic mother called 911 for help and the police gave her a ticket for suspicion of child abuse by neglect.

Omaha, Nebraska: A woman taking her niece out of the SUV after an outing to the pool was shocked when the wind blew the door shut with her keys and the child inside. The car automatically locked. The aunt, the girl's mom, and two other relatives frantically tried to get the door open using a hanger and screwdriver, and, when they couldn't, they called 911. The cops arrived, broke the window, and got the child out, safe and sound.

Then the cops ticketed the mom on suspicion of child abuse by neglect.

As The Omaha World-Herald reports:

Lt. Darci Tierney, a police spokeswoman, said the ticket was not an overreaction by the officer who responded to the 911 call.

"We make decisions in the moment with all the information we have available,'' she said. "This can be a super dangerous situation. People die in these circumstances."

The girl, just shy of 2, was in the car for about 15 minutes. It was a 93-degree day, and 97 degrees in the un-air-conditioned car. The girl appeared warm to the paramedic—um, of course she'd be warm—so she was taken to the local hospital. She turned out to be fine.

The wind, by the way, was gusting up to 40 miles per hour that day.

To add insult to non-injury, Lt. Tierney is also quoted as reminding people that in a situation like this one, "Don't be afraid to call 911 for help."

Yeah, and be ready to call a defense lawyer, too.

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#2. To: Deckard (#0)

The wind, by the way, was gusting up to 40 miles per hour that day.

And the woman noticed the wind and was extra careful. Oops. No she wasn't.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-06   10:58:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#2) (Edited)

And the woman noticed the wind and was extra careful. Oops. No she wasn't.

She called 911 for help - then they ticketed her.

Only in misterwhite Bizarro World is that acceptable.

At least they didn't shoot her. If they had, you would have called it "justified".

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-06   11:08:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#4)

"She called 911 for help - then they ticketed her."

Of course they did. She put the child in danger.

Oh, wait. You think she shouldn't have been ticketed because she had a good excuse for putting the child in danger? Really?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-06   11:12:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#5)

Oh, wait. You think she shouldn't have been ticketed because she had a good excuse for putting the child in danger? Really?

As if it wasn't obvious, though it is, when people seeking help from police receive a punishment related to the matter for which they sought help, it sends a message to the rest of the community that, should they find themselves in a similar situation, calling the police for help will result in a fine or other punishment.

This will discourage others who need help from calling police for that help they need. And if it's a potentially life & death situation, the deterring effect of the fear of punishment from the police, or even a delay in calling them as those involve seek alternate solutions without the police, could result in more serious harm or death.

And we're not talking about a situation where someone is in danger due to malice. We're talking about an accidental situation in which someone's life is in danger, whether or not there was some degree of carelessness involved.

So, by giving this woman a ticket, the message from the police to the community is that calling them for help in a life or death situation should be a lower priority. Other solutions should be sought first. That message puts the community in more danger and could result in the death of others having nothing to do with this incident with this woman and child, and because of that, it is a very bad message.

If any punishment is deemed appropriate, the expense of repairing the passenger window should certainly suffice.

Now that this has been explained, you are free to continue to make a complete fool of yourself by cheering for any and all police activity. Perhaps you are being compensated for doing so -- that would be the only reason I could fathom for such posted boot-licking -- which would be unfortunate as it would be money paid for increasing the danger to society.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-06   11:39:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#9)

This will discourage others who need help from calling police for that help they need.

OR ... it will cause others to be more careful so they don't put themselves in a similar situation. No?

"We're talking about an accidental situation in which someone's life is in danger, whether or not there was some degree of carelessness involved."

No. We're talking about a situation that could have easily been avoided had the woman not been so careless and unthinking. Had she simply locked herself out of her car, no ticket would have been issued. But, in this case, the police thought it so dangerous that they broke the car window to get the child out, and took the child to the hospital.

A ticket serves to illustrate the seriousness of the situation, rather than the issuance of a mere warning.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-06   11:56:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#12)

OR ... it will cause others to be more careful so they don't put themselves in a similar situation. No?

No, issuing a ticket will not encourage her to be more careful. Unless, of course, she values the cost of the ticket more than she values the life of her son. In that case, yes, the ticket will serve as some degree of deterrent in the future, though there is obviously a much bigger problem at hand.

Otherwise, the scary experience will serve as deterrent enough. And again, she already has the expense of repairing the car window.

"We're talking about an accidental situation in which someone's life is in danger, whether or not there was some degree of carelessness involved."

No. We're talking about a situation that could have easily been avoided had the woman not been so careless and unthinking.

You failed to contradict my comment which you quoted.

A ticket serves to illustrate the seriousness of the situation, rather than the issuance of a mere warning.

That they felt compelled to call police illustrates all too well their awareness of the serious of the situation. At least to people who are not complete morons. By issuing the ticket, the police are illustrating how calling them for help in a life & death situation should only be done if one is willing to receive a citation. This places the rest of the community in MORE danger, not less, and the whole purpose of punishment is to improve safety, not lesson it.

By issuing the ticket, police are placing the community in more danger. Ergo, it should not have been issued.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-06   12:19:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Pinguinite (#14)

No, issuing a ticket will not encourage her to be more careful.

I said it will cause others to be more careful. She's hopeless.

"That they felt compelled to call police illustrates all too well their awareness of the serious of the situation."

She was locked out of her. People call the police for that all the time. That's not a serious situation.

"By issuing the ticket, police are placing the community in more danger."

You never heard of "making an example" of someone?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-06   13:08:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#20)

I said it will cause others to be more careful. She's hopeless.

Hopeless, you say??

I'd say that description suits you far better.

She was locked out of her. People call the police for that all the time. That's not a serious situation.

What??? So please clarify for me whether it was or was not a serious situation. You are going back and forth on this. Are you on drugs today?

You never heard of "making an example" of someone?

I sure have. And they did make an example of her. That's why whole point. The example being, if you call police for help to save a life, you may be punished for doing so. So the rest of the community will learn from this and in cases where someone's life is in danger, calling the police to help an innocent person's life should be a lower priority.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-07-06   13:15:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Pinguinite (#22)

What??? So please clarify for me whether it was or was not a serious situation.

I was saying that people call the police all the time to open their locked car. Feeling compelled to call the police to help them does not necessarily mean there is a serious situation.

"I sure have. And they did make an example of her."

And we'll never know how many lives were saved because of that. Giving her a pass sends the wrong message, especially when locking children and animals in hot cars is front page news nowadays.

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