[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Don't Shoot the F*cking Dog!

JUST IN: GOP Takes Charge, Democrats Seethe As “Provable Evidence” Sent To DOJ

Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks reveals he has prostate cancer

As Trump-Russia goes cold, Clinton-Comey turns up smoking gun

Coverup? Alabama Supreme Court Blocks Lower Court Order To Preserve Senate Election Voting Records

4 Officers Walk Off Security When They See Players’ Black Lives Matter Jerseys

Surgeon who exposed Clinton Foundation corruption in Haiti found dead in apartment with stab wound to the chest

Every Time You Wish Someone ‘Happy Hanukkah’ You Acknowledge The Historic Jewish Claim On Jerusalem

Evidence of Voter Fraud in Alabama As Mobile County Results Come In Late

Man convicted of killing fiancee's son, 8, over messy room

Trump 'unfit to clean toilets in Obama's presidential library'

Roy Moore Spokesman Briefly Dies on Live TV After Learning Politicians Don’t Have to Take the Oath on a Bible

Man Charged with Abuse in Death of 3-Year-Old Who Wouldn't Put on Her Pajamas: Officials

Daniel Shaver's shooting by police officer was an avoidable execution

Moral Values and Customs vs. Laws

'Idiot' most common word used by voters to describe Trump

'Suck it, Bannon'

Video Surfaces Showing Killer Cop Beating Up Teens Months Before He Murdered Daniel Shaver

This 11-year-old stepped outside — and found herself on the other side of a cop’s gun, mom says

HIT & RUN BLOG Georgia Lawmaker Introduces Bill To Require Conviction for Asset Forfeiture

Contradicting Prohibitionists, Survey Says Adolescent Pot Use Is Falling in Colorado

Rebellious Jurors Make the World a Better Place

Mitch McConnell Is The Reason Doug Jones Is A Senator

Roy Moore loses to Democrat Doug Jones in humiliating result for Trump

Oklahoma Man Charged With Child-Abuse Murder of 22-Month-Old Boy

4 Police Officers Hailed As Heroes, Apprehended NYC Pipe Bomb Suspect

What Should We Fight For? NOT The “New World Order”!

Mystery Funders Behind Super PAC Backing Jones In Alabama Finally Exposed [Soros]

Yes, the FBI is America's secret police

‘One of our attorneys is a Jew’

GUILTY: Cop Breaks Innocent Man’s Leg, Lies About Him Stealing a Tomato to Cover It Up

Woke Conservatives And The Awesome Power Of Not Caring

30 Year NSA Employee Shares Why They Are Watching You & It Has Nothing To Do With Terrorism

Police body cam of innocent woman clamped in K-9’s jaws. She’s suing.

Paul Ryan Will Start Work on Legislation to Reduce the Deficit After He Finishes Passing Legislation to Increase the Deficit

From Duty to be Armed to Permission to Carry (Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 - HR 38)

‘Humans will worship AI MESSIAH’ God Robot religion expected to boom

Trump's 5 Weird Habits

Diversity Must Not Be Questioned

"You Grow Up Wanting To Be Luke Skywalker, Then Realize You've Become A Stormtrooper For The Empire"

NRA-Republican Backed Bill Makes It Easier For Feds To Disarm Citizens

Liberal Hollywood Darling Sarah Silverman Describes Being “Scared” Of The American Flag, Attempts To Connect Patriotism With Being A Nazi

Police State Worshiping Cop Apologists Celebrate Death of Daniel Shaver on Facebook (And Liberty's Flame)

Should the DEA Assassinate Drug Offenders?

The Mainstream Media’s Deference to Authority in the JFK Assassination

Don't Talk to the Police

Execution of Daniel Shaver

The U.S. Media Yesterday Suffered its Most Humiliating Debacle in Ages: Now Refuses All Transparency Over What Happened

Canada will sell pot in liquor stores (Nova Scotia)

Army Navy game. Opening prayer by the Navy Chaplin was all God and country, inspirational and awesome. Too bad we can’t do that at high school and college games.

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

See other Religion Articles

Title: Timeline suggests reasons for Pope’s dismissal of conservative from top Vatican doctrine post
Source: Lifesite News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/t ... -of-conservative-from-top-vati
Published: Jul 3, 2017
Author: John-Henry Westen
Post Date: 2017-07-04 18:19:46 by Anthem
Keywords: None
Views: 254
Comments: 9

From his appointment by Pope Benedict XVI as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith in 2012, Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller has spoken out for orthodoxy amid a chorus of opposing voices in the Vatican. This role became visible during the two Synods of the Family in 2014 and 2015 as he publicly opposed powerful clerics from his native Germany such as Cardinals Walter Kasper and Reinhard Marx.

As the debate leading up to the Synods was taking place in late 2013 Cardinal Müller made a pre-emptive strike by stating unflinchingly that Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics is not possible. “If the prior marriage of two divorced and remarried members of the faithful was valid, under no circumstances can their new union be considered lawful, and therefore reception of the sacraments is intrinsically impossible,” he wrote, quoting Cardinal Josef Ratzinger.

Shortly thereafter, Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, chairman of the Pope’s private council of eight cardinals, publicly chastised Müller for being too strict on truth. “The world, my brother, the world is not like that. You should be a little flexible when you hear other voices, so that you not only listen and say, ‘No and here is the wall’.”

In what may seem incredible now, in the middle of the two Synods Cardinal Müller said openly that the attempt to separate the Catholic Church’s teaching from her practice is “heresy.” In remarks to the International Theological Commission, reprinted in the Vatican newspaper in early December 2014, Müller said, “Each division between ‘theory’ and ‘practice’ of the faith would be a reflection of a subtle Christological ‘heresy.’”

When Cardinal Marx, another member of the one of the Pope’s council of eight cardinal advisors, and head of the German Bishops Conference, went public saying that the German bishops would chart their own course on the question of allowing Communion for those in “irregular” sexual unions, Cardinal Müller condemned the proposal in no uncertain terms. “This is an absolutely anti-Catholic idea that does not respect the catholicity of the Church,” he said.

He added that not even the papal Magisterium is free to change doctrine. “Every word of God is entrusted to the Church, but it is not superior to the Word,” he said. “The Magisterium is not superior to the word of God. The reverse is true.”

During the period between the two Synods, as the Church seemed in confusion over doctrine, the Vatican doctrine chief took it upon himself to set the record straight. He gave multiple interviews and talks defending the traditional stance of the Church on the indissolubility of marriage and the catholicity of the Church. He warned of schism in the Church, and was frequently having to creatively interpret statements from the Pope that seemed to counter the doctrine of the Church.

It was at this time that Cardinal Müller seemed to come under fire from sources connected to the Pope. In addition to the war of words with Cardinal Marx, papal biographer and Vatican specialist reporter Andrea Tornielli went after Cardinal Müller, questioning him on his corrections of the Pope.

Muller admitted that he had had to correct the Pope theologically. “Pope Francis is not a 'professional theologian', but has been largely formed by his experiences in the field of the pastoral care, which is very different here with us [in the West],” he said. He characterized Francis’ reaction to his corrections this way: “That is what he [Pope Francis] has said already three or four times himself, publicly (laughs); and then he gave me a hug so that – as he said – the gossip ceases with regard to this matter.”

Even after the publication of Amoris Laetitia, Cardinal Müller maintained that the Pope’s exhortation did not allow for Communion for Catholic remarried divorcees. He did so even in the face of the Pope’s signature on documents backing the opposite interpretation.

It was then, in late 2016, that pressure on Cardinal Muller from Pope Francis became more palpable. Pope Francis unceremoniously ordered Cardinal Muller to dismiss three priests from their posts inside the CDF. According to one of the most noted Vatican reporters, when Muller questioned the Pope about the dismissal, the pope replied: “I am the pope, I do not need to give reasons for any of my decisions. I have decided that they have to leave and they have to leave.”

In Vatican circles, speculation began about Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schonborn replacing Muller as head of the CDF. Sources close to the Cardinal suggest that Muller took such speculation seriously and sought to put a friendlier face on his relationship with Pope Francis. During this time he penned a book about Pope Benedict and Pope Francis in which he suggested there was only a difference of character between the two rather than a difference of doctrine.

The book apparently did little to settle the matter.

Rather than advising reporters seeking an interpretation of Amoris Laetitia to go to the Vatican doctrine chief, the Pope referred them to Cardinal Christoph Schonborn, whom he called a “great theologian who knows the doctrine of the Church.”

Schonborn’s interpretation contradicted that of Muller’s, allowing in certain cases for Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics.

Cardinal Muller stepped up his show of loyalty to the Pope with an overt challenge to the four dubia Cardinals – Raymond Burke, Joachim Meisner, Carlo Caffarra and Walter Brandmuller. Despite the fact that the dubia Cardinals were fighting for exactly the same interpretation of Amoris as Cardinal Muller was pushing, he publicly criticized them.

Cardinal Müller told an Italian TV-channel in January 2017 that there was no need for a “fraternal correction” of the pope since the pope has not put the faith and Catholic teaching in danger. “The Pope is basically forced to answer with ‘yes or no’. I don’t like that,” he said.

By May of this year, Müller had softened his stance against the dubia Cardinals, saying that they had asked "legitimate questions to the pope," but regretted that they were made public.

And even though the Pope made it more and more and more clear that his interpretation of Amoris Laetitia was opposed to that of Cardinal Muller’s, the Vatican doctrine chief continues till now saying otherwise.

In fact in yet another book released in February of this year Cardinal Muller suggests that not only must Amoris Laetitia be interpreted in light of the Church’s traditional teaching and discipline, he adds that the Pope has no authority to alter it.

While Cardinal Muller may now lose his exalted post as guardian of the doctrine of the faith in the Catholic Church, he went down trying his best to maintain the faith despite personal attack. His calculated moves to retain his position were, we learn from those close to him, not made out of any desire for power, but only out of concern that a successor in his post less given to maintaining orthodoxy may do harm to the Church.

LAST CALL: Can you donate just $5 for PRO-LIFE?

LifeSite is the #1 most-read pro-life website on the Internet. But we urgently need your help to hit our summer campaign goal today.

Poster Comment:

It's good to know that guys like Müller will not cave. I hope he doesn't withdraw from the public.

Francis has been trying to honeypot the SPX, which has lost some powerful voices in the last few years. Whether they will remain a force to be reckoned with in the Church is beyond my ken. I do know that traditional Catholics have been a bulwark against the rot spreading throughout Christendom and if it comes down to it, will be a sea anchor for the remnant castaways.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: Anthem (#0)

Poop on the pope.

rlk  posted on  2017-07-05   0:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#2. To: Anthem (#0)

The real Pope, Benedict XVI

Usurper, Devil pope Francis

The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

hondo68  posted on  2017-07-05   1:19:45 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: Anthem (#0)

Francis also appointed an alleged Universalist to a Vatican position lately.

Did you post on the religion forum over at FR?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-07-05   1:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#4. To: redleghunter (#3)

I was generally quiet about religion at FR. I was going through some changes back then and mostly pestered a couple of my favorite FRiends. I tested Romulus' patience a time or two, and some others, on open threads.

BTW, same screen name.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-05   2:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#5. To: hondo68 (#2)

LOL @ the horns.

I mentioned on a different thread that there is longstanding animosity towards the Church here in Texas. I used to attend a Christian men's group weekly, where we would discuss a book we were reading in fellowship. B16 had come out with, "Jesus of Nazareth", that I thought would be a good study. No way. Wouldn't even let me pitch it.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-05   2:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#6. To: Anthem (#5)

I mentioned on a different thread that there is longstanding animosity towards the Church here in Texas. I used to attend a Christian men's group weekly, where we would discuss a book we were reading in fellowship. B16 had come out with, "Jesus of Nazareth", that I thought would be a good study. No way. Wouldn't even let me pitch it.

B16 is an accomplished theologian on the Reformation era. He has some good books on the subject. A buddy at FR likes to throw out passages from B16 to Catholics over there.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-07-05   13:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#7. To: redleghunter (#6)

I should probably visit more often. I can't post since I was banned in the fall of '06, and my disgust at Robinson's sellout to the neo-commies is hard to overcome. The place could have been a much needed countervailing force against the Bush lunacy, but it was defanged by the purges at the turn of the century and in the mid aughts.

Disgust doesn't even begin to describe what I feel about his treatment of Phillips.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-05   13:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#8. To: Anthem (#4)

I tested Romulus' patience a time or two, and some others, on open threads.

Isn't he one of the SSPX posters?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-07-06   13:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#9. To: redleghunter (#8)

Re: Romulus / SSPX

I haven't been in touch with him for 10 years. At that time both our lives turned to local pursuits. I don't recall him being an SSPX adherent. He may have changed since then, although I would find that out of character, as he is devoted to the Church.

IIRC, Zviadist is SSPX. I don't know if he is there anymore. Both participated at Liberty Forum.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-06   15:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com